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Ok you baseball fans...who gets ALCY based on these numbers....no names will be attached. Just numbers

Player 1: (ERA - 2.96) (W/L - 19-8 ) (SO - 220) (WHiP - 1.16) (IP - 204) (BAA - .214)

Player 2: (ERA - 2.31) (W/L - 12-12) (SO - 227) (WHiP - 1.06) (IP - 241.2) (BAA - .213)

Plater 3: (ERA - 3.26) (W/L - 20-7) (SO - 189) (WHiP - 1.21) (IP - 229) (BAA - .243)

How about option 4) David Price of Tampa Bay

If player number 2 wins his final 2 games(I know who he is here S2M), then he would get my vote. NO WAY do I think number 3 deserves it, but he'll most likely win it.

Cy young winner with a 14-12 record?! No fucking way!


Tell me who won the Cy Young the year these stats were prevalent? Player A, B, or C?

ERA IP H R ER BB K W/L GS IP/Start

2.26 199.1 144 62 50 40 239 20-4 30 6.64

2.58 219.2 166 65 63 48 127 21-8 32 6.86

2.75 229.1 182 79 70 78 182 23-5 35 6.55



BAA OOBP OSLG OOPS WHIP k/BB K/9IP SB/ATT

.198 .253 .309 .561 0.92 5.98 10.79 8/13

.211 .265 .302 .567 0.97 2.65 5.20 19/26

.218 .286 .340 .626 1.13 2.33 7.14 10/19




BOLD - LED LEAGUE

The voters need to come to an agreement on exactly what determines a Cy Young Season. Every year they choose different criteria as the basis for their winner.....MOST years it is strictly a Wins, and Innings Pitched criteria, where Wins isn't even a pitching stat - its a TEAM stat. Some years they they use a combination of TEAM stats and PITCHING stats....When they should ONLY be concerned with PITCHING stats: WHIP, ERA, Ks, BAA, K/9IP....

Felix Hernandez deserves it this year. John Lester should also get consideration, especially if he wins his 20th in his next start. Clay Buchholz would also be getting SOME consideration if he hadn't missed several starts.

conversationpc wrote:Felix Hernandez deserves it this year. John Lester should also get consideration, especially if he wins his 20th in his next start. Clay Buchholz would also be getting SOME consideration if he hadn't missed several starts.

Ok....Make the case for Hernandez.

conversationpc wrote:Felix Hernandez deserves it this year. John Lester should also get consideration, especially if he wins his 20th in his next start. Clay Buchholz would also be getting SOME consideration if he hadn't missed several starts.

I would never vote for Hernandez. I saw him pitch against the Indians this year and the guy was bush league - dogging plays, being a general arrogant cocksucker etc. I don't care how good he is, he's undeserving of such a heralded honor.

S2M wrote:Ok you baseball fans...who gets ALCY based on these numbers....no names will be attached. Just numbers

Player 1: (ERA - 2.96) (W/L - 19-8 ) (SO - 220) (WHiP - 1.16) (IP - 204) (BAA - .214)

Player 2: (ERA - 2.31) (W/L - 12-12) (SO - 227) (WHiP - 1.06) (IP - 241.2) (BAA - .213)

Plater 3: (ERA - 3.26) (W/L - 20-7) (SO - 189) (WHiP - 1.21) (IP - 229) (BAA - .243)

I'll go with player 1.

S2M wrote:

conversationpc wrote:Felix Hernandez deserves it this year. John Lester should also get consideration, especially if he wins his 20th in his next start. Clay Buchholz would also be getting SOME consideration if he hadn't missed several starts.

Ok....Make the case for Hernandez.

Easy leads in two triple crown categories. , aint his fault if the Mariners cant get anyone past home plate.

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:

S2M wrote:

conversationpc wrote:Felix Hernandez deserves it this year. John Lester should also get consideration, especially if he wins his 20th in his next start. Clay Buchholz would also be getting SOME consideration if he hadn't missed several starts.

Ok....Make the case for Hernandez.

Easy leads in two triple crown categories. , aint his fault if the Mariners cant get anyone past home plate.

oh, so THIS year you think the pitching stats matter? Whereas in my example a few posts up - Player C won the CY solely based on WINS, and INNINGS PITCHED....

BTW:

Player A : Pedro Martinez - led the league in 13 stats
Player B: Derek Lowe
PLayer C: Barry Zito: led the league in WINS AND IP...that's it....but he won the CY in 2002.

Just as I thought. No one can asnwer this question....

Player 1

Hernandez has had a helleva yaer, but I don't see a Cy Young winner having a .500 record.

Felix Hernandez has no chance of winning the award, but he would get my vote. When you lead the league in e.r.a., strikeouts, WHIP and innings pitched ... you're the league's best pitcher (assuming he holds his lead in those categories). Period. Those stats display durability, reliability and dominance. His won/loss record indicates a lineup that can't score.

Saint John wrote:Felix Hernandez has no chance of winning the award, but he would get my vote. When you lead the league in e.r.a., strikeouts, WHIP and innings pitched ... you're the league's best pitcher (assuming he holds his lead in those categories). Period. Those stats display durability, reliability and dominance. His won/loss record indicates a lineup that can't score.

Do me a favor, Dan....look up 2002 Cy Young voting/stats....

S2M wrote:

Saint John wrote:Felix Hernandez has no chance of winning the award, but he would get my vote. When you lead the league in e.r.a., strikeouts, WHIP and innings pitched ... you're the league's best pitcher (assuming he holds his lead in those categories). Period. Those stats display durability, reliability and dominance. His won/loss record indicates a lineup that can't score.

Do me a favor, Dan....look up 2002 Cy Young voting/stats....

I have no desire to look up past Cy Young voting, let alone the stats. If you're referring to Pedro getting the shaft, I get your point. I also agree with you on that issue.

Felix got it ... and deservedly so.

Love it! The guy was burdened with the biggest offensive handicap in the league and still pitched his ass off.

Don wrote:Love it!

Tito's pissed. I just know it.

How long til S2M comes rolling in here bitching about Felix winning the award? Dan you are right. He was the best pitcher in BOTH leagues, and deserves this. Also remember, he didn't get a chance to pitch against Seattle or his numbers would have been even more dominant.

This is a pitching award, based on stuff and stats YOU can control as a PITCHER. It wasn't Felix's fault the M's couldn't score. Look at Fatbathia's numbers and his run support...it's probably three times what Hernandez's was.

Saint John wrote:

Don wrote:Love it!

Tito's pissed. I just know it.

Text him. He's probably down by the refinery, watching a wetback soccer match.

P.S. Tell him to stop wearing that ICE jacket before he gets his ass kicked.

Rockindeano wrote:How long til S2M comes rolling in here bitching about Felix winning the award? Dan you are right. He was the best pitcher in BOTH leagues, and deserves this. Also remember, he didn't get a chance to pitch against Seattle or his numbers would have been even more dominant.

This is a pitching award, based on stuff and stats YOU can control as a PITCHER. It wasn't Felix's fault the M's couldn't score. Look at Fatbathia's numbers and his run support...it's probably three times what Hernandez's was.

Really don't care who won(wins) these awards....After Pedro got shafted in '02 I lost all caring for this lame event. Same with Gold Gloves, MVP, and the All-Star game....nothing but popularity contests.

But it is nice to see how the criteria for picking the CY changes every year....pretty soon we'll be picking names out of a baseball cap....

Wins mattered in '02. Fuck all the other stats. But in '10, the other stats reign supreme - and fuck the wins? I just don't get it.

Maybe Pedro got robbed because he is a major league asshole and the media didn't like him. I could definitely see the media shunning that little fucker for that reason alone.

... one bad year and S2M takes his ball and goes home. It's this type of behavior that saps your credibility when we talk other sports. When things don't go your way it's either the refs, the system or Neal's fault. They voted and that's the way the system is. Is it always perfect? No. But they seem to get it right most of the time. Like, say, this year.

Rockindeano wrote:Maybe Pedro got robbed because he is a major league asshole and the media didn't like him. I could definitely see the media shunning that little fucker for that reason alone.

Best pitcher I've seen in MY lifetime....bar NONE.

Saint John wrote::lol: ... one bad year and S2M takes his ball and goes home. It's this type of behavior that saps your credibility when we talk other sports. When things don't go your way it's either the refs, the system or Neal's fault. They voted and that's the way the system is. Is it always perfect? No. But they seem to get it right most of the time. Like, say, this year.

Actually, no. I had horse in this race, Danilow. Until there is a an objective consistent criteria for picking these things I will kindly scoff at the farce that is awards....is it WINS, or pitching stats? It changes every year....all I'm saying.

S2M wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Maybe Pedro got robbed because he is a major league asshole and the media didn't like him. I could definitely see the media shunning that little fucker for that reason alone.

Best pitcher I've seen in MY lifetime....bar NONE.

Pedro was great, but he couldn't sniff Greg Maddux's asshole.

Saint John wrote:

S2M wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Maybe Pedro got robbed because he is a major league asshole and the media didn't like him. I could definitely see the media shunning that little fucker for that reason alone.

Best pitcher I've seen in MY lifetime....bar NONE.

Pedro was great, but he couldn't sniff Greg Maddux's asshole.

Maddux threw JUNK...Pedro was the best pitcher of our generation. Book It!

S2M wrote:

Saint John wrote:

S2M wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Maybe Pedro got robbed because he is a major league asshole and the media didn't like him. I could definitely see the media shunning that little fucker for that reason alone.

Best pitcher I've seen in MY lifetime....bar NONE.

Pedro was great, but he couldn't sniff Greg Maddux's asshole.

Maddux threw JUNK...Pedro was the best pitcher of our generation. Book It!

I don't give a fuck what he threw! He was dominating. His prime numbers are better than anyone's. Add to that 4 Cy Youngs, 18 Gold Gloves, 9 seasons with at least 18 wins, 18 seasons with at least 200 innings pitched, 109 complete games and 355 wins. Go to sleep now, son.

Saint John wrote:

S2M wrote:

Saint John wrote:

S2M wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Maybe Pedro got robbed because he is a major league asshole and the media didn't like him. I could definitely see the media shunning that little fucker for that reason alone.

Best pitcher I've seen in MY lifetime....bar NONE.

Pedro was great, but he couldn't sniff Greg Maddux's asshole.

Maddux threw JUNK...Pedro was the best pitcher of our generation. Book It!

I don't give a fuck what he threw! He was dominating. His prime numbers are better than anyone's. Add to that 4 Cy Youngs, 18 Gold Gloves, 9 seasons with at least 18 wins, 18 seasons with at least 200 innings pitched, 109 complete games and 355 wins. Go to sleep now, son.

You just have no idea about baseball, Dan....stick to Manilow and Soto...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/395166-pedro-martinez-the-most-dominant-pitcher-of-our-lifetime

This next guy's stat table is unreadable, but again....his words just don't lie...

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/161882