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Postby SteveForever » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:41 pm

All night tonight the news was about bullying....makes me sick.
Tyler Clementi was bullied at Rutgers because his roomate secretly videotaped him in a homosexual act-total invasion of privacy.
A little boy killed himself in Houston after he was bullied in the 8th grade for being different=a really nice little guy with nice parents.
An employee in the Michigan district attorney's office is bullying the young 21 year old president of the University of Michigan for some unknown reason?

What is up with this in our society? I don't understand why this is STILL going on!!!!!
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Postby Behshad » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:43 pm

Oh STFU. :twisted:


Jk Liz. Bullying ain cool except when it occurs here. Ask SPH ! ;)
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Re: Bullying....

Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:00 pm

SteveForever wrote:All night tonight the news was about bullying....makes me sick.
Tyler Clementi was bullied at Rutgers because his roomate secretly videotaped him in a homosexual act-total invasion of privacy. :?


That kid ended up killing himself over it, btw: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/29/ru ... eo-online/

I've seen quite a bit of anti-bullying campaigns recently, even in my daughter's school. It really needs to be taken seriously and dealt with quickly.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:29 am

Behshad wrote:Oh STFU. :twisted:


Jk Liz. Bullying ain cool except when it occurs here. Ask SPH ! ;)
Hey!! I haven't bullied anyone in a really long time....I'm overdue! Are you volunteering to be my next victim :twisted: :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:33 am

Problem is, to attack bullying, you have to attack why people bully. Usually it is a low self esteem problem. They prey on the quiet and timid. Why? Because the other kids will think they are cool, or are afraid they will be seen as uncool. I tend to deal with it quite swiftly when I see it.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:35 am

I'm tired of whining parents crying about their kids killing themselves because they were bullied or because they sent a nude text that was spread around. There's some blame for raising weak kids that weren't taught to come to their parents with issues like that. That doesn't in any way exonerate bullies, but parents need to have an open line of dialog with their children, and know what's going on in their school and social lives. That part keeps getting left out. Right away it's everyone else's fault. Maybe you just raised a pussy. :idea:
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:45 am

Saint John wrote:I'm tired of whining parents crying about their kids killing themselves because they were bullied or because they sent a nude text that was spread around. There's some blame for raising weak kids that weren't taught to come to their parents with issues like that. That doesn't in any way exonerate bullies, but parents need to have an open line of dialog with their children, and know what's going on in their school and social lives. That part keeps getting left out. Right away it's everyone else's fault. Maybe you just raised a pussy. :idea:


Maybe you been looking at too many! LOL!

Seriously Dan, some kids that get bullied are the ones that are hanging on by a thread. These are the ones who might just get picked on so much and one day just snap.

It may be these kids are weak. But a handicapped child should never have to put up with some miserable jerks cruelty. And why is it fine to pick on a shy or withdrawn child? Pussy? Come on Dan. My son had a learning disability that you would never notice because he is for the most part normal looking and acting. But he is shy, socially behind, and not outgoing. I was aware of the bullying he dealt with. But had to let him deal with it. I just encouraged him to stand strong and not to let them yank his chain. It is still the Pussy doing the bullying. Not the other way around.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:55 am

Saint John wrote:I'm tired of whining parents crying about their kids killing themselves because they were bullied or because they sent a nude text that was spread around. There's some blame for raising weak kids that weren't taught to come to their parents with issues like that. That doesn't in any way exonerate bullies, but parents need to have an open line of dialog with their children, and know what's going on in their school and social lives. That part keeps getting left out. Right away it's everyone else's fault. Maybe you just raised a pussy. :idea:


Well I do agree that parents need to have open dialogue with their kids. My kids talk a lot, and sometimes say things I wish they didn't in some way, but in others I am grateful they are not afraid to tell me. From discussions about drugs, boys, friends issues, you name it.

But there ARE those rare cases where certain kid is picked as a target and is bullied to an extreme by many other kids. And no matter what the parents do, that will not stop. But my issue with that is why are these kids continually sent back to the same school over and over and tortured. Once a parent has tried every avenue, and the child is still being hurt over bullying and it is affecting them in a negative way, they need to be pulled out for their own safety. It may not be fair, but it would be best for them. Let them have a fighting chance and a fresh start somewhere else. If its' that bad for them, maybe therapy too. It just seems ridiculous to me for these kids to keep having to face that every single day.

The schools address bullying each year to the kids and they always work to try to reduce it. But kids are kids. People are people. Bullying goes on at all levels of life. My kids don't bully and they have been the victim of minor bullying here or there, but they handled it well and it was not ongoing. But there are just kids who are natural targets!

And yes Dan, they may tend to be the "pussy" kind of kids, but they are still kids who don't deserve to be tortured :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:00 am

Lynn/Ginger, my "pussy" reference was only aimed at the kids that kill themselves, and even that is only partly their fault. There was probably, in some capacity, a poor parent/child line of communication. That falls on the parents.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:18 am

Saint John wrote:Lynn/Ginger, my "pussy" reference was onlyaimed at the kids that kill themselves, and even that is only partly their fault. There was probably, in some capacity, a poor parent/child line of communication. That falls on the parents.


yeah, somebody is definitely not doing something they should be if it gets to the point of suicide. I think there are a lot of under involved parents for sure. Sad. Though Im sure there are cases where parents did try. It always makes me mad when they know about it and keep sending that child to that school every single day. Would you send them into a prison yard everyday? Knowing they'd get hurt? No! So why send them to a school where they are not safe. I just don't get it. I know Im lucky that with 3 kids Ive never had to deal with this in a major way.
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Postby Jeremey » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:30 pm

Bullying is bad. Period. I've been bullied, and I've bullied. It's never a good thing on either side of the fence. That being said, I think bullys are an important part of sociatah.
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:02 pm

Saint John wrote:Lynn/Ginger, my "pussy" reference was only aimed at the kids that kill themselves, and even that is only partly their fault. There was probably, in some capacity, a poor parent/child line of communication. That falls on the parents.


I wasn't talking the suicidal kids. I just mean the real Pussy's are the bullies. They are such low lives they don't have the courage to pick on someone with the same personality or bigger.
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Postby Deb » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:07 pm

StevePerryHair wrote:
Saint John wrote:I'm tired of whining parents crying about their kids killing themselves because they were bullied or because they sent a nude text that was spread around. There's some blame for raising weak kids that weren't taught to come to their parents with issues like that. That doesn't in any way exonerate bullies, but parents need to have an open line of dialog with their children, and know what's going on in their school and social lives. That part keeps getting left out. Right away it's everyone else's fault. Maybe you just raised a pussy. :idea:


Well I do agree that parents need to have open dialogue with their kids. My kids talk a lot, and sometimes say things I wish they didn't in some way, but in others I am grateful they are not afraid to tell me. From discussions about drugs, boys, friends issues, you name it.

But there ARE those rare cases where certain kid is picked as a target and is bullied to an extreme by many other kids. And no matter what the parents do, that will not stop. But my issue with that is why are these kids continually sent back to the same school over and over and tortured. Once a parent has tried every avenue, and the child is still being hurt over bullying and it is affecting them in a negative way, they need to be pulled out for their own safety. It may not be fair, but it would be best for them. Let them have a fighting chance and a fresh start somewhere else. If its' that bad for them, maybe therapy too. It just seems ridiculous to me for these kids to keep having to face that every single day.

The schools address bullying each year to the kids and they always work to try to reduce it. But kids are kids. People are people. Bullying goes on at all levels of life. My kids don't bully and they have been the victim of minor bullying here or there, but they handled it well and it was not ongoing. But there are just kids who are natural targets!

And yes Dan, they may tend to be the "pussy" kind of kids, but they are still kids who don't deserve to be tortured :wink:


No shit, it's the bully who is the actual pussy, a bully is just one big insecure scream for attention.
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Postby Moon Beam » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:23 pm

Saint John wrote:That doesn't in any way exonerate bullies, but parents need to have an open line of dialog with their children, and know what's going on in their school and social lives


Yes most certainly Sir, I agree.
But how about the ones that take it in the gut all day for years and come home making it clear about
their struggles and concerns only to be ridiculed and reamed for not being able to walk away and let the woes wilt?

Please Dan don't generalize, you have not the first clue on how it hurts and the damage that is done.

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Postby SteveForever » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:45 pm

Saint John wrote:I'm tired of whining parents crying about their kids killing themselves because they were bullied or because they sent a nude text that was spread around. There's some blame for raising weak kids that weren't taught to come to their parents with issues like that. That doesn't in any way exonerate bullies, but parents need to have an open line of dialog with their children, and know what's going on in their school and social lives. That part keeps getting left out. Right away it's everyone else's fault. Maybe you just raised a pussy. :idea:



Dan, are you a parent? its really hard being an adolescent these days...much much harder than we were in that age range.
The pressures and things that are happening are unbelievable to kids. You were always a big tall guy I'm sure and never had to
deal with bullying so really I don't see how you'd be qualified to make this call.
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Postby stevew2 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:26 pm

Behshad wrote:Oh STFU. :twisted:


Jk Liz. Bullying ain cool except when it occurs here. Ask SPH ! ;)
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Postby parfait » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:34 pm

artist4perry wrote:Problem is, to attack bullying, you have to attack why people bully. Usually it is a low self esteem problem. They prey on the quiet and timid. Why? Because the other kids will think they are cool, or are afraid they will be seen as uncool. I tend to deal with it quite swiftly when I see it.


Just a little factual tidbit: Newer research has shown bullies to have high self esteem. The social psychologist Roy Bauermeister wrote in his paper:
Far from having LOW self-esteem, they were egoistical with grandiose views of themselves. Their inflated sense of self-importance meant that, when threatened, or perceived to have been threatened, they turned to violence. Their views were confirmed when they extended their studies to prisoners, where murderers and violent offenders, on the whole had high scores on self-esteem studies.


So the low self esteem bullies are a thing of the past. Now, I strongly support bullying - but not to bully the people who looks weird, got some physical impairment or whatever. What one should bully is the people that thinks it cool to bully those aforementioned people. If a person calls a guy with downs syndrome a retard for example; he deserves to get beaten to a bloody pulp.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:54 pm

parfait wrote:So the low self esteem bullies are a thing of the past. Now, I strongly support bullying - but not to bully the people who looks weird, got some physical impairment or whatever. What one should bully is the people that thinks it cool to bully those aforementioned people. If a person calls a guy with downs syndrome a retard for example; he deserves to get beaten to a bloody pulp.


Well THIS explains why you never support my bullying of YOU :lol: Or do you want to rethink that statement? :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:28 pm

Jeremey wrote:Bullying is bad. Period. I've been bullied, and I've bullied. It's never a good thing on either side of the fence. That being said, I think bullys are an important part of sociatah.


I did say I was sorry ! :lol: :wink: Let it go already :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:30 pm

StevePerryHair wrote:
parfait wrote:So the low self esteem bullies are a thing of the past. Now, I strongly support bullying - but not to bully the people who looks weird, got some physical impairment or whatever. What one should bully is the people that thinks it cool to bully those aforementioned people. If a person calls a guy with downs syndrome a retard for example; he deserves to get beaten to a bloody pulp.


Well THIS explains why you never support my bullying of YOU :lol: Or do you want to rethink that statement? :lol:


That explains it all :lol: I guess a guy that looks like a mixture between a girl and carrot is weird-looking :lol:
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:31 pm

Behshad wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Bullying is bad. Period. I've been bullied, and I've bullied. It's never a good thing on either side of the fence. That being said, I think bullys are an important part of sociatah.


I did say I was sorry ! :lol: :wink: Let it go already :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:13 am

SteveForever wrote: You were always a big tall guy I'm sure and never had to
deal with bullying so really I don't see how you'd be qualified to make this call.


I was 5'10 and 110 pounds when I entered high school, and got more than my share of harassment. Additionally, I grew up in a vastly hispanic area loaded with gangs, and took more than a few beatings because I was white, 2 that landed me in the Emergency Room. Lastly, I was raised in a single parent household with my mom, and my dad died when I was 14, leaving me with no male influence. I marched my ass to the local gym and learned how to box, took 2 years of karate and started lifting weights. The bullshit stopped real soon after. But I never once contemplated suicide or shooting up a school. I'm just not a pussy and could never do something so selfish to my mother.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:16 am

Saint John wrote: and could never do something so selfish to my mother.
Good Boy!!! :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:28 am

Behshad wrote: Let it go already.


That's the same thing I've been telling Tito for years about his communion money. No luck yet, though.
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Postby Don » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:53 am

Tito's Catholic? Next, we'll find out he's using his basement as a Hitler Youth sanctuary.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:57 am

Don wrote:Tito's Catholic? Next, we'll find out he's using his basement as a Hitler Youth sanctuary.


That's probably not too far from the truth, GB. :lol:
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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:09 am

I just had this conversation a few months back with my 8 year-old half brother. I was taking him to see that Karate Kid remake and while we were in the car talking about space and lizards and other things that fascinate little boys he slides into the discussion that he's getting bullied at school by a 5th grader. (He was at the time between 2nd and 3rd grade.) Apparently this kid picks on all of the lower grade kids and leaves the kids his age alone. He asked me why bullies are mean, what do you say to a formative child about that? I've always believed that honesty is best with kids; it's counter-productive to sugar-coat the world.

I asked him about the kid's parents, seems the father is a non-entity and the mother is one of those sorry types. I did my best (I hope) to explain to him that this bully kid is hurt and confused inside because he's not getting the love and attention at home that a child deserves and needs. So he acts out at school hurting others because that's the only thing he knows. That for him, any attention is better than none and he is trying to seek that out and at the same time the false sense of power he gets from the fear the younger kids have for him makes him feel more in control of his world.

This way, and now I've seen it's worked, my brother's fear of this bully is gone because he's been educated and that gives him the tools he needs to not be afraid of the bully. Of course, there's a side conversation about not taking crap from people in there... but that's another story.

It pretty much remains true no matter what age. Bullies bully for the attention because of a lack of self-worth and love. I just wish more parents could take a pro-active approach in their children's lives and save some of these pointless suicides. Suicides which also come from a perceived lack of self-worth and love.
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Postby Don » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:23 am

This thread has brought back memories of a certain movie. I think there were times when a lot us sort of wished we had our own bodyguard during those awkward years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ns_Xvpd ... re=related
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:25 am

Rhiannon wrote:I just had this conversation a few months back with my 8 year-old half brother. I was taking him to see that Karate Kid remake and while we were in the car talking about space and lizards and other things that fascinate little boys he slides into the discussion that he's getting bullied at school by a 5th grader. (He was at the time between 2nd and 3rd grade.) Apparently this kid picks on all of the lower grade kids and leaves the kids his age alone. He asked me why bullies are mean, what do you say to a formative child about that? I've always believed that honesty is best with kids; it's counter-productive to sugar-coat the world.

I asked him about the kid's parents, seems the father is a non-entity and the mother is one of those sorry types. I did my best (I hope) to explain to him that this bully kid is hurt and confused inside because he's not getting the love and attention at home that a child deserves and needs. So he acts out at school hurting others because that's the only thing he knows. That for him, any attention is better than none and he is trying to seek that out and at the same time the false sense of power he gets from the fear the younger kids have for him makes him feel more in control of his world.

This way, and now I've seen it's worked, my brother's fear of this bully is gone because he's been educated and that gives him the tools he needs to not be afraid of the bully. Of course, there's a side conversation about not taking crap from people in there... but that's another story.

It pretty much remains true no matter what age. Bullies bully for the attention because of a lack of self-worth and love. I just wish more parents could take a pro-active approach in their children's lives and save some of these pointless suicides. Suicides which also come from a perceived lack of self-worth and love.


Your approach sucks. I'll share the male (correct) way of dealing with shit like this. I dated a girl for almost 7 years and helped raise her daughter. When she was seven she came home and said Brody was "grabbing her privates on the playground." This little motherfucker was given one chance. His parents were informed, the teacher was informed and the principal was informed. Meanwhile, like many times before, Rachel was reminded that no one, under any circumstances, touches, grabs, talks about or fucking thinks about your privates. With God as my witness, we practiced the correct way to punch, how to get your entire body into it and which part of the fist makes contact with the target (the first 2 knuckles). That little hillbilly fuck made the mistake of doing it again and was just about knocked out. His eye was a nice deep, dark purple and almost completely shut. Needless to say, we were called into the principal's office and amid threats of expulsion, I took full credit for the proper corrective measure that was used. Like most ovary-toting beings, my ex was pretty pissed ... but she got over it. That's how you handle bullying/shenanigans.
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Postby SteveForever » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:28 am

Saint John wrote:
SteveForever wrote: You were always a big tall guy I'm sure and never had to
deal with bullying so really I don't see how you'd be qualified to make this call.


I was 5'10 and 110 pounds when I entered high school, and got more than my share of harassment. Additionally, I grew up in a vastly hispanic area loaded with gangs, and took more than a few beatings because I was white, 2 that landed me in the Emergency Room. Lastly, I was raised in a single parent household with my mom, and my dad died when I was 14, leaving me with no male influence. I marched my ass to the local gym and learned how to box, took 2 years of karate and started lifting weights. The bullshit stopped real soon after. But I never once contemplated suicide or shooting up a school. I'm just not a pussy and could never do something so selfish to my mother.


good for you....but not everyone is the same and cyberspace has put a whole new spin on life=its not the same world....
anyone can put anything out there about another person for hundreds and more to see at once. Its no longer a one on one type of deal.
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