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First the Red Sox trade for Adrian Gonzalez (who is essentially the same player as Mark Teixeira) and now they just signed Carl Crawford (who I think they gave WAY too much money to). Meanwhile, the Evil Empire just re-signed a washed up, old and tired Derek Jeter. It's a happy day in Red Sox Nation

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Definetly good news for the Sox but Im extremely excited about the Braves next season...Dan Uggla is a stud.

And the bidding war to own baseball continues. *Sigh.

How the fuck could you possibly care either way? MLB is a horrendous league. Absolutely terrible.

ScarabGator wrote:Im extremely excited about the Braves next season...Dan Uggla is a stud.

He's no Adrian Gonzalez

Enigma869 wrote:

ScarabGator wrote:Im extremely excited about the Braves next season...Dan Uggla is a stud.

He's no Adrian Gonzalez

I keep thinking of Elian Gonzalez, that little Commy who came over here to Florida and got sent back to Cuba. What a ridiculous news story that whole thing was

Enigma869 wrote:First the Red Sox trade for Adrian Gonzalez (who is essentially the same player as Mark Teixeira) and now they just signed Carl Crawford (who I think they gave WAY too much money to). Meanwhile, the Evil Empire just re-signed a washed up, old and tired Derek Jeter. It's a happy day in Red Sox Nation

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Easy big fella. I remember all the overblown hype about the Miami Heat, and look at those clowns. By the way, the Sox did obviously do well, BUT, if Cashman inks Cliff Lee, then it's all erased. I'll take one excellent pitcher over two excellent hitters.

I remember a game when Carl stole SIX fucking bases off the SAWX....stiil, my excitement is guarded. We still need a catcher who can throw to 2nd, and a couple of DECENT middle relievers.....plus, Wake needs to be the bullie....and I'm STILL not sold that Dice-K is any freakin' good AT ALL. BUT, the additions of Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Youkilis are HUGE....add Gonzo, and Carl....a VERY formidable line-up....

I still cant believe owners are making 5-7 year deals worth anything over 120 million dollars... no one is that good for that long... a few excpetions... the Jeter 3 year deal makes the most sense....and I will say that Cliff Lee will not be worth the $$$ spent on him...

lights1961 wrote: the Jeter 3 year deal makes the most sense

Really? Paying Jeter (who will be 37 during the season next year) $17 million dollars per season coming off of the worse season he has ever had "makes sense"? I think it was a fucking absurd contract. 37 year old players don't get better (unless it's Barry Bonds pumping every substance under the sun into his ass cheek)! I think the Red Sox are fucking insane for paying Carl Crawford $20 million dollars per season, because in my opinion, he's not that kind of a player. That said, I'll take Crawford for $20m per over Jeter at $17m per 100 out of 100 times!

Enigma869 wrote:

lights1961 wrote: the Jeter 3 year deal makes the most sense

Really? Paying Jeter (who will be 37 during the season next year) $17 million dollars per season coming off of the worse season he has ever had "makes sense"? I think it was a fucking absurd contract. 37 year old players don't get better (unless it's Barry Bonds pumping every substance under the sun into his ass cheek)! I think the Red Sox are fucking insane for paying Carl Crawford $20 million dollars per season, because in my opinion, he's not that kind of a player. That said, I'll take Crawford for $20m per over Jeter at $17m per 100 out of 100 times!

you never know, he might go out with a bang and have a stellar final couple of years...world series is all that matters right... so if he gets a ring the next year or so...the contract is worth it...

my main statement being that 90% of those contracts with players, if the owners were intellegent would be to have the players at 2-3 year deals... keep them HUNGRY for success... instead of lazy and uninterested after the 3 year of a 7-10 year deal...and your investment goes sour...

lights1961 wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

lights1961 wrote: the Jeter 3 year deal makes the most sense

Really? Paying Jeter (who will be 37 during the season next year) $17 million dollars per season coming off of the worse season he has ever had "makes sense"? I think it was a fucking absurd contract. 37 year old players don't get better (unless it's Barry Bonds pumping every substance under the sun into his ass cheek)! I think the Red Sox are fucking insane for paying Carl Crawford $20 million dollars per season, because in my opinion, he's not that kind of a player. That said, I'll take Crawford for $20m per over Jeter at $17m per 100 out of 100 times!

you never know, he might go out with a bang and have a stellar final couple of years...world series is all that matters right... so if he gets a ring the next year or so...the contract is worth it...

my main statement being that 90% of those contracts with players, if the owners were intellegent would be to have the players at 2-3 year deals... keep them HUNGRY for success... instead of lazy and uninterested after the 3 year of a 7-10 year deal...and your investment goes sour...

Contracts should be performance-based....not potential-based. I'm thinking because baseball money is quaranteed - players should get no more than a 2-year contract.....and then maybe, just maybe that family with 4 kids can go see a game....and alot closer than the Pesky Pole.....

Rockindeano wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:First the Red Sox trade for Adrian Gonzalez (who is essentially the same player as Mark Teixeira) and now they just signed Carl Crawford (who I think they gave WAY too much money to). Meanwhile, the Evil Empire just re-signed a washed up, old and tired Derek Jeter. It's a happy day in Red Sox Nation

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Easy big fella. I remember all the overblown hype about the Miami Heat, and look at those clowns. By the way, the Sox did obviously do well, BUT, if Cashman inks Cliff Lee, then it's all erased. I'll take one excellent pitcher over two excellent hitters.

Cliff Lee wasn't really all that much above average after the Rangers got him last year. His W-L was 4-6 and his era was barely under 4.00 at 3.98. I don't think he'll be anywhere near his Cy Young form for the Yankees in that stadium, if they happen to sign him.

I love these two pickups for the Sox. I seriously hope they don't trade Ellsbury. That lineup would be killer with both him and Crawford at the top.

Dave, I think the plan is to have Ellsbury bat 9th and have Pedroia lead off.

Still, not a hole in the lineup, although Scutaro is average and Saltamacchia has not proven anything yet. He's much better defensively than Martinez, however.

Seven Wishes wrote:Dave, I think the plan is to have Ellsbury bat 9th and have Pedroia lead off.

Still, not a hole in the lineup, although Scutaro is average and Saltamacchia has not proven anything yet. He's much better defensively than Martinez, however.

It would certainly make sense to have Pedroia lead off since he's probably going to get on base more than Ellsbury. Saltalamacchia needs to stay healthy for that lineup, though, and he hasn't really proven he can do that yet.

conversationpc wrote:
It would certainly make sense to have Pedroia lead off

Pedroia isn't a lead off hitter and doesn't like hitting in that position. I'm fairly certain given the fact that they just signed Carl Crawford to a ridiculous contract, he'll be the guy leading off.

Enigma869 wrote:

lights1961 wrote: the Jeter 3 year deal makes the most sense

Really? Paying Jeter (who will be 37 during the season next year) $17 million dollars per season coming off of the worse season he has ever had "makes sense"? I think it was a fucking absurd contract. 37 year old players don't get better (unless it's Barry Bonds pumping every substance under the sun into his ass cheek)! I think the Red Sox are fucking insane for paying Carl Crawford $20 million dollars per season, because in my opinion, he's not that kind of a player. That said, I'll take Crawford for $20m per over Jeter at $17m per 100 out of 100 times!

The Yankees were idiots here. They caved to Jeter [who I liked, tho not a Yankess fan] because he whined he was the modern day equivalent to Ruth, because they thought it would turn into a PR mess.

Boston made some nice, but pricey moves. Now if those freaking asshole McCourts can get their crap together and do something good with my Dodgers I'll be happy. Maybe they can sell them, I can only hope!

Enigma869 wrote:

conversationpc wrote:
It would certainly make sense to have Pedroia lead off

Pedroia isn't a lead off hitter and doesn't like hitting in that position. I'm fairly certain given the fact that they just signed Carl Crawford to a ridiculous contract, he'll be the guy leading off.

I think he would make a better leadoff hitter than either Crawford or Ellsbury simply for the fact that he gets on base quite a bit more than either of those guys. Both Crawford and Ellsbury have a career OBP around .340 and Pedroia's is closer to .370.

conversationpc wrote:I think he would make a better leadoff hitter than either Crawford or Ellsbury simply for the fact that he gets on base quite a bit more than either of those guys. Both Crawford and Ellsbury have a career OBP around .340 and Pedroia's is closer to .370.

While I don't disagree with your point about OBP, there is a lot more to it than just that. Sure, getting on base matters and you can't steal first. That said, Crawford and Ellsbury have FAR more speed than Pedroia will ever have and Crawford gets on base plenty to make him a prototypical lead off guy. Pedroia has hit lead off before and has been rather vocal about his disdain for it.

He's more like Jeter in his prime - the ideal #2 hitter.

Supposedly, the Sox are close to signing Russell Martin - an average hitter with some pop, but a multiple Gold Glove Award winner. This acquisition would REALLY solidify the lineup and make the Sox the team to beat in MLB.

Seven Wishes wrote:He's more like Jeter in his prime - the ideal #2 hitter.

Supposedly, the Sox are close to signing Russell Martin - an average hitter with some pop, but a multiple Gold Glove Award winner. This acquisition would REALLY solidify the lineup and make the Sox the team to beat in MLB.

I've never much cared for Martin but I'm not a big fan of Saltalamacchia, either.

Jeter is the best shortstop in the league today. He got a sweet deal and they obviously think he is worth the money.

Ftloperry wrote:Jeter is the best shortstop in the league today. He got a sweet deal and they obviously think he is worth the money.

Um, no he is not. he isn't even close to the best shortstop in baseball. Is he a great leader? Absolutely, but he isn't a top 5 or even a top 10 SS in MLB today.
The guy is a Hall of Famer, and I love him, but dude just 250 and change, made ashit ton of errors and IMHO, should switch positions with his third baseman, who is a much better SS.

Rockindeano wrote:

Ftloperry wrote:Jeter is the best shortstop in the league today. He got a sweet deal and they obviously think he is worth the money.

Um, no he is not. he isn't even close to the best shortstop in baseball. Is he a great leader? Absolutely, but he isn't a top 5 or even a top 10 SS in MLB today.
The guy is a Hall of Famer, and I love him, but dude just 250 and change, made ashit ton of errors and IMHO, should switch positions with his third baseman, who is a much better SS.

A ton of errors? He only had 6 errors all year long and only 8 the year before that.

AGonzales hit over .300 at home but only around .250 on the road. But he's a power hitter and, for sure, highly sought after free agent that only a money-rich team like the RedSox could afford to sign him. What will they do with David Ortiz, though? Make him the DH?

Ftloperry wrote:Jeter is the best shortstop in the league today. He got a sweet deal and they obviously think he is worth the money.

What a fucking MORONIC statement! Jeter isn't close to "the best shortstop in the league" and even when he was in his prime (which isn't now), he was always a VERY average shortstop. The fact that he was awarded a gold glove last season is a complete fucking embarrassment to anyone who has ever called themselves a baseball fan!

annie89509 wrote: What will they do with David Ortiz, though? Make him the DH?

You do realize that DH is the only position that Ortiz has ever played with the Red Sox, right? Sure, in National League parks they would stick him at first to keep his bat in the lineup, but he has been a DH for 98% of his entire career, so nothing changes there.

Enigma869 wrote:

Ftloperry wrote:Jeter is the best shortstop in the league today. He got a sweet deal and they obviously think he is worth the money.

What a fucking MORONIC statement! Jeter isn't close to "the best shortstop in the league" and even when he was in his prime (which isn't now), he was always a VERY average shortstop. The fact that he was awarded a gold glove last season is a complete fucking embarrassment to anyone who has ever called themselves a baseball fan!

Jeter had an excellent season defensively last year. To only commit 6 errors in 151 games is a great accomplishment. That said, the league's best defensive shortstop is Elvis Andruws. The guy has more range, a better arm and is just as fluid as they come. Jeter has lost a significant amount of range, some arm strength and just can't go get those balls in the outfield and in foul territory like he used to. But he's still extremely solid.

As for Ftloperry's statement , Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitzki are both better than Jeter. And that's just off the top of my head.

Saint John wrote: Jeter has lost a significant amount of range,

He never had any range to lose!