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i remember Rick saying his brother went through that terrible stretch with digestive issues that he finally got fixed.i have a question about corticosteroids.has anyone here ever been on a steroid pac or gotten regular steroid shots due to health issues? they had my girlfriend taking these steroid shots due to a cyst on her shoulder.she got last shot on March 18th

anyway on March 20th she fell out into tremors and convulsions.got an ambulance to take her to ER.they could not detect anything and she came home.March 21st fell out again went back to ER again they couldn't find anything.the next day afterwards she started having muscle tremors,jerky movements,muscle pain,speech problems,etc.


in the last few days i finally made the connection between her getting off steroids and steroid withdrawal.tomorrow will be two weeks and she is getting worse and worse and pretty much bedridden.i am scared to death.i looked it up online and they said steroids could send you into adrenal fatigue and deplete your natural ability to make cortisone.going to make an appointment with endocrine doctor in morning.

has anyone here ever taken steroid therapy and gotten bad results?

mikemarrs wrote:i remember Rick saying his brother went through that terrible stretch with digestive issues that he finally got fixed.i have a question about corticosteroids.has anyone here ever been on a steroid pac or gotten regular steroid shots due to health issues? they had my girlfriend taking these steroid shots due to a cyst on her shoulder.she got last shot on March 18th

anyway on March 20th she fell out into tremors and convulsions.got an ambulance to take her to ER.they could not detect anything and she came home.March 21st fell out again went back to ER again they couldn't find anything.the next day afterwards she started having muscle tremors,jerky movements,muscle pain,speech problems,etc.


in the last few days i finally made the connection between her getting off steroids and steroid withdrawal.tomorrow will be two weeks and she is getting worse and worse and pretty much bedridden.i am scared to death.i looked it up online and they said steroids could send you into adrenal fatigue and deplete your natural ability to make cortisone.going to make an appointment with endocrine doctor in morning.

has anyone here ever taken steroid therapy and gotten bad results?

Looking up medical stuff at the Internet is never a good idea - as it always paints the worst case scenario. Trust your doctors instead!

the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

These "certain meds" goes through extremely thorough testing before it gets out on the market. There's some side effects that'll really get you going, but they occurs in just a few people out of tens and hundreds of thousand.

Again - relax and trust your doctor. The medical industry is not out to get you.

parfait wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

These "certain meds" goes through extremely thorough testing before it gets out on the market. There's some side effects that'll really get you going, but they occurs in just a few people out of tens and hundreds of thousand.

Again - relax and trust your doctor. The medical industry is not out to get you.

Sorry Chief, but there are many bad doctors out there, trained in medical schools controlled by Big Pharma. And some "thoroughly tested" meds should be yanked from circulation for all the damage they do. Eat another donut.

Rip Rokken wrote:

parfait wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

These "certain meds" goes through extremely thorough testing before it gets out on the market. There's some side effects that'll really get you going, but they occurs in just a few people out of tens and hundreds of thousand.

Again - relax and trust your doctor. The medical industry is not out to get you.

Sorry Chief, but there are many bad doctors out there, trained in medical schools controlled by Big Pharma. And some "thoroughly tested" meds should be yanked from circulation for all the damage they do. Eat another donut.

I wonder if any of them ever urinate in women's mouths while saying "I'm just giving you some medication baby"?

Rip Rokken wrote:

parfait wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

These "certain meds" goes through extremely thorough testing before it gets out on the market. There's some side effects that'll really get you going, but they occurs in just a few people out of tens and hundreds of thousand.

Again - relax and trust your doctor. The medical industry is not out to get you.

Sorry Chief, but there are many bad doctors out there, trained in medical schools controlled by Big Pharma. And some "thoroughly tested" meds should be yanked from circulation for all the damage they do. Eat another donut.

And Illuminati is actually controlling the world through mind reading cheese, primarily made from lactating Indian women.

Of course there's some bad seeds out there, like in any profession - but don't go around spreading that bullshit. The pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars each year, researching and testing out the medicine that in the future will cure HIV as well as obesity and they're already well on their way in reducing or even the removing the risk completely of several different types of cancers. So give me a fucking break.

It's a shame doctors and pharma companies have to have a bad rep because uneducated conspiracy loons go on about stuff they clearly know nothing about, like vaccines or the big bad companies that are trying to take over the world - one disease free patient at a time.

It is my contention that once a pharma has developed a medicine, tested it....and the FDA has approved it - the government should pay the Pharma for it's time....and take over the production of the drug.....and make it 'open source'.

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

There are millions of possible side effects and adverse reactions that can occur with medications. There is no way all possible effects can be accounted for or predicted. Medication has it's place. It can treat, diagnose and cure diseases. When people have a reaction to the medication they often have the same reaction you do, saying that all medicine is bad. That's simply not true. Having said that, it is the responsiblity of your healthcare provider to give you ALL options and ALL risks and benefits of each option. At that point, it's your responsiblity (or in this case your girlfriend's) to decide which potential risks you are willing to take in order to obtain the potential benefit. Medicine is, unfortunately, not an exact science-it would be much easier if it was!

I hope your girlfriend begins to feel better very soon! Good luck.

The ignorance of my fellow citizens is beyond staggering at times.

I've taken steroids at one dose or another since I was in my 20's. I'm 48 now. I've never heard of anyone going through what your girlfriend is going through. I do go off of them from time to time, when I'm well, and do have some withdrawal. Mostly fatigue and arthritic pain and stiffness. But nothing like that. I do know it's a good idea to go off of them slowly, decreasing the dosage a day or two at a time.

I hope her symptoms will just go away on their own, but I think you're right about taking her to see a doctor about it.

Good luck man.

Rick wrote:I've taken steroids at one dose or another since I was in my 20's. I'm 48 now. I've never heard of anyone going through what your girlfriend is going through. I do go off of them from time to time, when I'm well, and do have some withdrawal. Mostly fatigue and arthritic pain and stiffness. But nothing like that. I do know it's a good idea to go off of them slowly, decreasing the dosage a day or two at a time.

I hope her symptoms will just go away on their own, but I think you're right about taking her to see a doctor about it.

Good luck man.

Sooooo.....are you moving from steroids to the legs over the head treatments now...or.....???

Angel wrote:

Rick wrote:I've taken steroids at one dose or another since I was in my 20's. I'm 48 now. I've never heard of anyone going through what your girlfriend is going through. I do go off of them from time to time, when I'm well, and do have some withdrawal. Mostly fatigue and arthritic pain and stiffness. But nothing like that. I do know it's a good idea to go off of them slowly, decreasing the dosage a day or two at a time.

I hope her symptoms will just go away on their own, but I think you're right about taking her to see a doctor about it.

Good luck man.

Sooooo.....are you moving from steroids to the legs over the head treatments now...or.....???

I should have said legs above your heart, but over your head made for a more interesting conversation in the thread.

Rick wrote:

Angel wrote:

Rick wrote:I've taken steroids at one dose or another since I was in my 20's. I'm 48 now. I've never heard of anyone going through what your girlfriend is going through. I do go off of them from time to time, when I'm well, and do have some withdrawal. Mostly fatigue and arthritic pain and stiffness. But nothing like that. I do know it's a good idea to go off of them slowly, decreasing the dosage a day or two at a time.

I hope her symptoms will just go away on their own, but I think you're right about taking her to see a doctor about it.

Good luck man.

Sooooo.....are you moving from steroids to the legs over the head treatments now...or.....???

I should have said legs above your heart, but over your head made for a more interesting conversation in the thread.

Actually, Rick, if you could have Debbie take a photo next time you practice this healing art, it would be fabulous if you could post it because I'm having difficulty fully understanding. Are you lying on a board in a reverse incline or are you lying on your back with your legs kicked up over your head? Please, help me understand so I may be able to reap the full benefit of this miracle cure.

Angel wrote:

Rick wrote:

Angel wrote:

Rick wrote:I've taken steroids at one dose or another since I was in my 20's. I'm 48 now. I've never heard of anyone going through what your girlfriend is going through. I do go off of them from time to time, when I'm well, and do have some withdrawal. Mostly fatigue and arthritic pain and stiffness. But nothing like that. I do know it's a good idea to go off of them slowly, decreasing the dosage a day or two at a time.

I hope her symptoms will just go away on their own, but I think you're right about taking her to see a doctor about it.

Good luck man.

Sooooo.....are you moving from steroids to the legs over the head treatments now...or.....???

I should have said legs above your heart, but over your head made for a more interesting conversation in the thread.

Actually, Rick, if you could have Debbie take a photo next time you practice this healing art, it would be fabulous if you could post it because I'm having difficulty fully understanding. Are you lying on a board in a reverse incline or are you lying on your back with your legs kicked up over your head? Please, help me understand so I may be able to reap the full benefit of this miracle cure.

Well, my brother told me that you should sit for 10 to 15 minutes a day with your legs elevated above your heart, so the blood will run out of your legs. You could lay on your bed with pillows running lengthwise from your knees to your heals. You should feel and look 20 years old in a week or so.

Do get your gf to see a doctor. I do know of someone that was taking prednisone for rheumatoid arthritis and had been taking it for a long time and when they would try to get him off it would mess with his adrenal glands and he would always have to go back on it.

Ftloperry wrote:Do get your gf to see a doctor. I do know of someone that was taking prednisone for rheumatoid arthritis and had been taking it for a long time and when they would try to get him off it would mess with his adrenal glands and he would always have to go back on it.

exactly.it causes a persons adrenal glands to shut down making the person extremly weak and tired to the point they can't get out of bed.i am pretty much raising our two kids by myself right now.off to school,laundry,dishes,dinner,baths,bedtime,etc. i'm like a mr. mom almost.the thing i am trying to avoid if possible is her being put on steroids for life.she has bad reactions to it already.

mikemarrs wrote:

Ftloperry wrote:Do get your gf to see a doctor. I do know of someone that was taking prednisone for rheumatoid arthritis and had been taking it for a long time and when they would try to get him off it would mess with his adrenal glands and he would always have to go back on it.

exactly.it causes a persons adrenal glands to shut down making the person extremly weak and tired to the point they can't get out of bed.i am pretty much raising our two kids by myself right now.off to school,laundry,dishes,dinner,baths,bedtime,etc. i'm like a mr. mom almost.the thing i am trying to avoid if possible is her being put on steroids for life.she has bad reactions to it already.

It does halt the adrenal glands, and it can take months for them to start functioning again. I've read many, many stories about it, and everyone's experiences are different. I remember countless times when my adrenal glands woke up, and you feel like you can run a hundred miles. You feel the tingle in your spine that just says "Let's go!". But I've never experienced a time where I was unable to get out of bed or function. Tired? Yes. Sometimes your legs feel like they're a hundred pounds each, but you have to just get up and go. She's going to have to do the same. It really messes with your mind too. Moodiness to the point of where you'll ask "Who is this beast?" It's a damn good drug, and it's also a huge monster. I wish I didn't have to take it. The withdrawals can be a motherfucker. Stiffness, moodiness and the already mentioned exhaustion.

Again, good luck Mike.

parfait wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

parfait wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

These "certain meds" goes through extremely thorough testing before it gets out on the market. There's some side effects that'll really get you going, but they occurs in just a few people out of tens and hundreds of thousand.

Again - relax and trust your doctor. The medical industry is not out to get you.

Sorry Chief, but there are many bad doctors out there, trained in medical schools controlled by Big Pharma. And some "thoroughly tested" meds should be yanked from circulation for all the damage they do. Eat another donut.

And Illuminati is actually controlling the world through mind reading cheese, primarily made from lactating Indian women.

Of course there's some bad seeds out there, like in any profession - but don't go around spreading that bullshit. The pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars each year, researching and testing out the medicine that in the future will cure HIV as well as obesity and they're already well on their way in reducing or even the removing the risk completely of several different types of cancers. So give me a fucking break.

It's a shame doctors and pharma companies have to have a bad rep because uneducated conspiracy loons go on about stuff they clearly know nothing about, like vaccines or the big bad companies that are trying to take over the world - one disease free patient at a time.

Dude, get real... of course there are many good doctors out there. But there are also plenty who mis-prescribe meds, especially pain killers and psych drugs, and plenty of evidence of that walking around on the street. And the drug companies? The real cash cow is in treating symptoms, not curing diseases -- they are about as interested in offering permanent cures as homeless advocates try to end homelessness, or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton want to ease racial tension.

parfait wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:the problem is not so much the doctors as it is these certain meds they put out there but a lot of people don't know the true side effects until after the damage is done.there is some very bad crap floating around out there called medicine that i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.some really dangerous stuff.

These "certain meds" goes through extremely thorough testing before it gets out on the market. There's some side effects that'll really get you going, but they occurs in just a few people out of tens and hundreds of thousand.

Again - relax and trust your doctor. The medical industry is not out to get you.

Yeah, everyone drink the Kool-aid!

"Don't worry, this is for your own well-being. We just want to make you better." I wonder how many people heard those words before they received a series of unnecessary shock treatments?

Rip Rokken wrote:The real cash cow is in treating symptoms, not curing diseases -- they are about as interested in offering permanent cures as homeless advocates try to end homelessness, or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton want to ease racial tension.

That's right. Exactly what I told him before, and as he did with me, he will likely begin to ridicule you for not being a subscriber to the Wide, Wonderful World of Magical Medicine.

Cure cancer? Shit. They're making too much money to want to do that. Assholes.

verslibre wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:The real cash cow is in treating symptoms, not curing diseases -- they are about as interested in offering permanent cures as homeless advocates try to end homelessness, or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton want to ease racial tension.

That's right. Exactly what I told him before, and as he did with me, he will likely begin to ridicule you for not being a subscriber to the Wide, Wonderful World of Magical Medicine.

Cure cancer? Shit. They're making too much money to want to do that. Assholes.

Haha. Again; you can act as a tough guy, but when you or someone in your family gets hyperthyroidism and need medicaments and/or surgery. Not so quick to be a whiny "medicine is bullshit" bitch then. Don't think your opinion is original in any way. You're like the rest of the morons who go around preaching that the pharma companies are trying to design pills to kill people and that vaccination causes autism.

It's true that a lot of diseases aren't curable per say, but manageable, in that you can get therapy or medication that'll remove a given symptom. Medicine isn't a perfected science, and it'll take a long time until that'll happen. But again, I dare you, I fucking dare you and your bitchy attitude to go up to the paediatrics ward or the cancer ward, and tell them that medicine is a sham and that they're just trying to squeeze money from you. Do it. Seriously.

Not to mention all the people in poor countries that would be dead because of the lack of information regarding sexual transmitted diseases and treatment of tuberculosis and cholera.

12 121 women got cancer in Norway in 2008. 66,7 % is still alive 5 years later. That means that 80847 women still can be a mother, daughter, sister or a friend and not lying in a grave somewhere.

So fuck you and your ignorant opinion, you douchebag.

parfait wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:The real cash cow is in treating symptoms, not curing diseases -- they are about as interested in offering permanent cures as homeless advocates try to end homelessness, or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton want to ease racial tension.

That's right. Exactly what I told him before, and as he did with me, he will likely begin to ridicule you for not being a subscriber to the Wide, Wonderful World of Magical Medicine.

Cure cancer? Shit. They're making too much money to want to do that. Assholes.

Haha. Again; you can act as a tough guy, but when you or someone in your family gets hyperthyroidism and need medicaments and/or surgery. Not so quick to be a whiny "medicine is bullshit" bitch then. Don't think your opinion is original in any way. You're like the rest of the morons who go around preaching that the pharma companies are trying to design pills to kill people and that vaccination causes autism.

It's true that a lot of diseases aren't curable per say, but manageable, in that you can get therapy or medication that'll remove a given symptom. Medicine isn't a perfected science, and it'll take a long time until that'll happen. But again, I dare you, I fucking dare you and your bitchy attitude to go up to the paediatrics ward or the cancer ward, and tell them that medicine is a sham and that they're just trying to squeeze money from you. Do it. Seriously.

Not to mention all the people in poor countries that would be dead because of the lack of information regarding sexual transmitted diseases and treatment of tuberculosis and cholera.

12 121 women got cancer in Norway in 2008. 66,7 % is still alive 5 years later. That means that 80847 women still can be a mother, daughter, sister or a friend and not lying in a grave somewhere.

So fuck you and your ignorant opinion, you douchebag.

I personally get the idea you'll be part of the problem, not the solution. Can't remember one time (in my memory at least) that you've actually shown care or concern for anyone other than yourself, and generally people like that only become doctors for the money. You're very likely insulting someone who has had painful close experience with the topic. BTW, not into conspiracy theory here. There is plenty of evidence to support my opinions (which are also the opinions of many), most of which again are from personal experience. Several years ago I had no luck getting a physician to stop prescribing increasingly harmful meds to a close family member of mine. The family member had begun faking injuries just to feed an addition to painkillers, and had racked up a $1,500 E.R. bill trying to get a single bottle of hydrocodone. And that's when they weren't legitimately falling down the stairs from the other crap they were on -- multiple sleep aids, Xanax, cough syrup with codeine -- all prescribed simultaneously by the same doctor who ignored two polite written letters and even a very sincere phone conversation describing the problem. Got nowhere for two years, so the last time it happened, I turned that motherf***er into the State Medical Board which put an end to that quickly. He lied like a son of a bitch to prevent stronger action, but at least it severed that doctor/patient relationship. Once off those meds, my family member got better pretty quickly. All that "anxiety" that kept getting worse and worse suddenly disappeared. The injuries (real and feigned) also stopped. They quit sleeping all the time, and started living life again.

The autism/vaccination deal was proven to be based on absolutely fraudulent research. I never knew much about it in the first place, but read about the outcome a few months back. Jenny McCarthy would be a person like you describe, but of course she has too much invested in her stances on that to admit she was wrong.

I'm far from against doctors or medication, not at all. I'm just saying that there is a tremendous problem out there that needs to be addressed (but never will), just like legal tort reform needs to be addressed (but never will). Follow the money, and you'll find the source of the problems. It's just human nature, and it's very predictable.

Rip Rokken wrote:

parfait wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:The real cash cow is in treating symptoms, not curing diseases -- they are about as interested in offering permanent cures as homeless advocates try to end homelessness, or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton want to ease racial tension.

That's right. Exactly what I told him before, and as he did with me, he will likely begin to ridicule you for not being a subscriber to the Wide, Wonderful World of Magical Medicine.

Cure cancer? Shit. They're making too much money to want to do that. Assholes.

Haha. Again; you can act as a tough guy, but when you or someone in your family gets hyperthyroidism and need medicaments and/or surgery. Not so quick to be a whiny "medicine is bullshit" bitch then. Don't think your opinion is original in any way. You're like the rest of the morons who go around preaching that the pharma companies are trying to design pills to kill people and that vaccination causes autism.

It's true that a lot of diseases aren't curable per say, but manageable, in that you can get therapy or medication that'll remove a given symptom. Medicine isn't a perfected science, and it'll take a long time until that'll happen. But again, I dare you, I fucking dare you and your bitchy attitude to go up to the paediatrics ward or the cancer ward, and tell them that medicine is a sham and that they're just trying to squeeze money from you. Do it. Seriously.

Not to mention all the people in poor countries that would be dead because of the lack of information regarding sexual transmitted diseases and treatment of tuberculosis and cholera.

12 121 women got cancer in Norway in 2008. 66,7 % is still alive 5 years later. That means that 80847 women still can be a mother, daughter, sister or a friend and not lying in a grave somewhere.

So fuck you and your ignorant opinion, you douchebag.

I personally get the idea you'll be part of the problem, not the solution. Can't remember one time (in my memory at least) that you've actually shown care or concern for anyone other than yourself, and generally people like that only become doctors for the money. You're very likely insulting someone who has had painful close experience with the topic. BTW, not into conspiracy theory here. There is plenty of evidence to support my opinions (which are also the opinions of many), most of which again are from personal experience. Several years ago I had no luck getting a physician to stop prescribing increasingly harmful meds to a close family member of mine. The family member had begun faking injuries just to feed an addition to painkillers, and had racked up a $1,500 E.R. bill trying to get a single bottle of hydrocodone. And that's when they weren't legitimately falling down the stairs from the other crap they were on -- multiple sleep aids, Xanax, cough syrup with codeine -- all prescribed simultaneously by the same doctor who ignored two polite written letters and even a very sincere phone conversation describing the problem. Got nowhere for two years, so the last time it happened, I turned that motherf***er into the State Medical Board which put an end to that quickly. He lied like a son of a bitch to prevent stronger action, but at least it severed that doctor/patient relationship. Once off those meds, my family member got better pretty quickly. All that "anxiety" that kept getting worse and worse suddenly disappeared. The injuries (real and feigned) also stopped. They quit sleeping all the time, and started living life again.

The autism/vaccination deal was proven to be based on absolutely fraudulent research. I never knew much about it in the first place, but read about the outcome a few months back. Jenny McCarthy would be a person like you describe, but of course she has too much invested in her stances on that to admit she was wrong.

I'm far from against doctors or medication, not at all. I'm just saying that there is a tremendous problem out there that needs to be addressed (but never will), just like legal tort reform needs to be addressed (but never will). Follow the money, and you'll find the source of the problems. It's just human nature, and it's very predictable.

So what's the problem here? You weren't happy with your family member's current doctor because he prescribed, in your uneducated opinion, too much meds. So you complained to the local board and they handled the complaint. He might have been prescribing too much and you did the right thing by turning him in.

But dude, seriously. Doctors make mistakes. You try sorting working through a 14 hour shift, sorting through 80-90 patients. Not only that, but you got the druggies trying to con you all while having the responsibility for every patient you're signed to. There's bound to be mistakes. Now, I'm not protecting the GP's, because a lot of them are lazy bastards, but your anecdotal evidence isn't a valid reason to jump to the conclusion that pharmaceutic companies and doctors are trying to squeeze money out of every patient that comes through the door by making them into druggies. That is ridiculous!

I know that the health care system you guys have is far from perfect or fair, but get this: every drug out there has been researched over years, even decades which costs millions of dollars. Then you have to synthesize it, which can be both painstakingly difficult and time consuming.

Do you know why I don't go around yapping my ass of in the Obama thread? Because I don't have the fucking knowledge to do so. You on the other hand barge in with your anecdotal "facts" and seem to have the whole medical field mapped out. I didn't get into it for the money by the way. I went into medicine because... Well, why the fuck not?

parfait wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

parfait wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:The real cash cow is in treating symptoms, not curing diseases -- they are about as interested in offering permanent cures as homeless advocates try to end homelessness, or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton want to ease racial tension.

That's right. Exactly what I told him before, and as he did with me, he will likely begin to ridicule you for not being a subscriber to the Wide, Wonderful World of Magical Medicine.

Cure cancer? Shit. They're making too much money to want to do that. Assholes.

Haha. Again; you can act as a tough guy, but when you or someone in your family gets hyperthyroidism and need medicaments and/or surgery. Not so quick to be a whiny "medicine is bullshit" bitch then. Don't think your opinion is original in any way. You're like the rest of the morons who go around preaching that the pharma companies are trying to design pills to kill people and that vaccination causes autism.

It's true that a lot of diseases aren't curable per say, but manageable, in that you can get therapy or medication that'll remove a given symptom. Medicine isn't a perfected science, and it'll take a long time until that'll happen. But again, I dare you, I fucking dare you and your bitchy attitude to go up to the paediatrics ward or the cancer ward, and tell them that medicine is a sham and that they're just trying to squeeze money from you. Do it. Seriously.

Not to mention all the people in poor countries that would be dead because of the lack of information regarding sexual transmitted diseases and treatment of tuberculosis and cholera.

12 121 women got cancer in Norway in 2008. 66,7 % is still alive 5 years later. That means that 80847 women still can be a mother, daughter, sister or a friend and not lying in a grave somewhere.

So fuck you and your ignorant opinion, you douchebag.

I personally get the idea you'll be part of the problem, not the solution. Can't remember one time (in my memory at least) that you've actually shown care or concern for anyone other than yourself, and generally people like that only become doctors for the money. You're very likely insulting someone who has had painful close experience with the topic. BTW, not into conspiracy theory here. There is plenty of evidence to support my opinions (which are also the opinions of many), most of which again are from personal experience. Several years ago I had no luck getting a physician to stop prescribing increasingly harmful meds to a close family member of mine. The family member had begun faking injuries just to feed an addition to painkillers, and had racked up a $1,500 E.R. bill trying to get a single bottle of hydrocodone. And that's when they weren't legitimately falling down the stairs from the other crap they were on -- multiple sleep aids, Xanax, cough syrup with codeine -- all prescribed simultaneously by the same doctor who ignored two polite written letters and even a very sincere phone conversation describing the problem. Got nowhere for two years, so the last time it happened, I turned that motherf***er into the State Medical Board which put an end to that quickly. He lied like a son of a bitch to prevent stronger action, but at least it severed that doctor/patient relationship. Once off those meds, my family member got better pretty quickly. All that "anxiety" that kept getting worse and worse suddenly disappeared. The injuries (real and feigned) also stopped. They quit sleeping all the time, and started living life again.

The autism/vaccination deal was proven to be based on absolutely fraudulent research. I never knew much about it in the first place, but read about the outcome a few months back. Jenny McCarthy would be a person like you describe, but of course she has too much invested in her stances on that to admit she was wrong.

I'm far from against doctors or medication, not at all. I'm just saying that there is a tremendous problem out there that needs to be addressed (but never will), just like legal tort reform needs to be addressed (but never will). Follow the money, and you'll find the source of the problems. It's just human nature, and it's very predictable.

So what's the problem here? You weren't happy with your family member's current doctor because he prescribed, in your uneducated opinion, too much meds. So you complained to the local board and they handled the complaint. He might have been prescribing too much and you did the right thing by turning him in.

But dude, seriously. Doctors make mistakes. You try sorting working through a 14 hour shift, sorting through 80-90 patients. Not only that, but you got the druggies trying to con you all while having the responsibility for every patient you're signed to. There's bound to be mistakes. Now, I'm not protecting the GP's, because a lot of them are lazy bastards, but your anecdotal evidence isn't a valid reason to jump to the conclusion that pharmaceutic companies and doctors are trying to squeeze money out of every patient that comes through the door by making them into druggies. That is ridiculous!

I know that the health care system you guys have is far from perfect or fair, but get this: every drug out there has been researched over years, even decades which costs millions of dollars. Then you have to synthesize it, which can be both painstakingly difficult and time consuming.

Do you know why I don't go around yapping my ass of in the Obama thread? Because I don't have the fucking knowledge to do so. You on the other hand barge in with your anecdotal "facts" and seem to have the whole medical field mapped out. I didn't get into it for the money by the way. I went into medicine because... Well, why the fuck not?

I have a question for you ??? Do you care about your patiens or is it all about the money?I have a feeling you care about then.And i do agree with most you have said.Now i will say i hope & pray that his gf willget better soon.They are on my prayer list.

Being that I have Asthma, I have used inhaled corticosteriods most my life. I have also had to take prednisone a few times in my life. When I was younger and smaller (lighter) the prednisone did give me "jitters" and made me feel as though my heart was beating extremely fast. However, that changed as I grew and put on weight. So there may be a dosage issue going on here. As far as the inhaled steroids, I may be one of the lucky ones, but I respond very well to them and have not seen any side effects. Now, another 10, 20, 30 years from now, who knows.....

My wife recently had to start taking prednisone because of a Lupus flair up. The joints in her fingers were swelling and causing alot of pain. Again, after just a few days of the prednisone, the inflamation disappeared as well as the pain.

All that said, of course if we could survive and thrive without any of these medications, that would be the ideal. But I am sure happy to be living in an age where these medications are available.

parfait wrote:So what's the problem here? You weren't happy with your family member's current doctor because he prescribed, in your uneducated opinion, too much meds. So you complained to the local board and they handled the complaint. He might have been prescribing too much and you did the right thing by turning him in.

I'm about as uneducated a layperson on the topic as Erin Brochovich was on the medical effects of hexavalent chromium contamination. But research aside, there is no substitute for common sense and rational observation.

parfait wrote:But dude, seriously. Doctors make mistakes. You try sorting working through a 14 hour shift, sorting through 80-90 patients. Not only that, but you got the druggies trying to con you all while having the responsibility for every patient you're signed to. There's bound to be mistakes. Now, I'm not protecting the GP's, because a lot of them are lazy bastards, but your anecdotal evidence isn't a valid reason to jump to the conclusion that pharmaceutic companies and doctors are trying to squeeze money out of every patient that comes through the door by making them into druggies. That is ridiculous!

Ahh, now you're conflicting yourself. And that was the whole point I was trying to make in response to your blanket statements:

parfait wrote:"Looking up medical stuff at the Internet is never a good idea - as it always paints the worst case scenario. Trust your doctors instead!"

parfait wrote:"Again - relax and trust your doctor."

You're going overboard in trying to paint me as an uneducated conspiracy theorist. Couldn't be further from the case. I'm just a reasonably intelligent guy whose life experience has taught him to ask questions when necessary, and don't always take the opinions of "experts" at face value. Trust comes from positive experience, just like distrust comes from negative experience. Using my own brain, common sense and logic has helped me immensely when dealing with doctors, lawyers, mechanics, even plumbers. I'm not naturally distrustful or paranoid -- just healthily cautious and extremely difficult to B.S. Everybody should use their own brain.

parfait wrote:I know that the health care system you guys have is far from perfect or fair, but get this: every drug out there has been researched over years, even decades which costs millions of dollars. Then you have to synthesize it, which can be both painstakingly difficult and time consuming.

Do you know why I don't go around yapping my ass of in the Obama thread? Because I don't have the fucking knowledge to do so. You on the other hand barge in with your anecdotal "facts" and seem to have the whole medical field mapped out.

No, I don't. But I understand human nature very well, and you'll generally find corruption at the top. It's all about power and money, no matter where -- corporations, government, whatever. It's just life, just the way it is. Someone has to speak up... have you heard of Jeffrey Wigand? Look what he did by exposing the cover-ups in the tobacco industry. So big tobacco is proven to have conspired to cover up all the harmful effects of tobacco, niccotine, their own additives, and evidence that could be used against them, but Big Pharma isn't capable of acting the same? How about Big Oil? Maybe you think we should trust Monsanto, the chemical company -- after all, they are only dedicated to improving agriculture thru the advances of modern science and chemistry, right? Dude, get a grip...

parfait wrote:I didn't get into it for the money by the way. I went into medicine because... Well, why the fuck not?

At least you're candid. Hope none of your future patients ever run across your posts here.

Rip Rokken wrote:At least you're candid. Hope none of your future patients ever run across your posts here.

And I'm sure he hopes none of his future girlfriends read any of Behshad's posts here.

parfait wrote:Haha. Again; you can act as a tough guy...[blah, blah, blah, blah] So fuck you and your ignorant opinion, you douchebag.

No, fuck you, you errant speck of fecal matter hovering around the event horizon of a hog's anus. And apologies in advance to the poor swine whose shit portal I just insulted.

parfait wrote:I didn't get into it for the money by the way. I went into medicine because... Well, why the fuck not?

Holy fuck. You went into medicine "because... 'Well, why the fuck not?'"

No wonder you're the butt of so many jokes in here. Loser.

Rip Rokken wrote:You're going overboard in trying to paint me as an uneducated conspiracy theorist. Couldn't be further from the case. I'm just a reasonably intelligent guy whose life experience has taught him to ask questions when necessary, and don't always take the opinions of "experts" at face value. Trust comes from positive experience, just like distrust comes from negative experience. Using my own brain, common sense and logic has helped me immensely when dealing with doctors, lawyers, mechanics, even plumbers. I'm not naturally distrustful or paranoid -- just healthily cautious and extremely difficult to B.S. Everybody should use their own brain.

This won't matter to him, Rip. Next he'll try to play down your street smarts and life experience and brand you a cynic, a conspiracy theorist, an ignorant, a knave, or whatever else he has handy in his Lexicon of Loserliness.