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Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:32 am
by Archetype
Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:55 am
by Memorex
There is always a difference between a great player and someone that has laid the groundwork. If you can advance the art, you will always be a legend. Especially if you do it in a way that appeals to the masses.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:56 am
by gr8dane
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Never heard of them,except G.They must be awesome.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:03 am
by Archetype
gr8dane wrote:
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Never heard of them,except G.They must be awesome.


You're implicitly acknowledging that the "top 100 guitarists" type lists are little more than popularity contests.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:18 am
by steveo777
Archetype wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Never heard of them,except G.They must be awesome.


You're implicitly acknowledging that the "top 100 guitarists" type lists are little more than popularity contests.


And subjective, opinionated, etc. Seldom are two charts side by side even close in their rankings.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:21 am
by gr8dane
Archetype wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Never heard of them,except G.They must be awesome.


You're implicitly acknowledging that the "top 100 guitarists" type lists are little more than popularity contests.


Indubitably.

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:50 am
by Hollywood
It is because without the Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, and Hendrix you would not have any of the players you mentioned. Music is progressive and artist build on their inspirations.

There are people who profess to not understand why the Beatles were such a big deal. Yet music as we know it would not exist without them.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:21 am
by S2M
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Guys like this don't impress me. Sure they can shred. But to me, true talent incorporates their talent within the confines of the song. I'll take Schon, Lynch, Lesperance, Dmitrovic, Rivera/Campbell, Doug Ott...etc....over those technical wankers.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:22 am
by conversationpc
S2M wrote:
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Guys like this don't impress me. Sure they can shred. But to me, true talent incorporates their talent within the confines of the song. I'll take Schon, Lynch, Lesperance, Dmitrovic, Rivera/Campbell, Doug Ott...etc....over those technical wankers.


I love Chris Broderick's playing and Romeo is pretty good as well but the others don't really wow me.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:59 am
by gr8dane
S2M wrote:
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Guys like this don't impress me. Sure they can shred. But to me, true talent incorporates their talent within the confines of the song. I'll take Schon, Lynch, Lesperance, Dmitrovic, Rivera/Campbell, Doug Ott...etc....over those technical wankers.


Never heard of them.They must be awesome.

Re: Why do people constantly rave about...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:11 pm
by yulog
gr8dane wrote:
S2M wrote:
Archetype wrote:Van Halen, Hendrix, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, etc? They've all been thoroughly trounced by newer generations of guitarists.

John 5

Gus G

Michael Amott

Chris Broderick

Michael Romeo

Just to name a few. The constant raving about Hendrix, etc. is the product of people clinging to nostalgia with their lives.


Guys like this don't impress me. Sure they can shred. But to me, true talent incorporates their talent within the confines of the song. I'll take Schon, Lynch, Lesperance, Dmitrovic, Rivera/Campbell, Doug Ott...etc....over those technical wankers.


Never heard of them.They must be awesome.
:lol:

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:26 pm
by VirgilTheart
I've heard of 'em all actually, and Chris Broderick is my favorite of the whole lot. Been around his forum and he's a great guy, as well as a really talented guitarist.

And humorous story about Gus G: Back in Spring 2008, I was introduced to both Ozzy's solo stuff and the band Firewind. And at the time, I had thought to myself, "Wow, that Gus guy would be a good fit in Ozzy's band!"

Imagine the laughs I had a year later when I heard he had joined Ozzy's band. :wink: :roll: :lol: Haven't listened to Scream, but either way, I'd much prefer Gus at this point than Zakk personally. Respect both guitarists and, while neither will be a better fit with Ozzy than Randy Rhoads was, I think that Gus could do a better job than Zakk could if he gets to write the music on the next album. :mrgreen:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:53 am
by ebake02
No modern guitarist can touch Joe Bonamassa.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:04 am
by artist4perry
Hollywood wrote:It is because without the Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, and Hendrix you would not have any of the players you mentioned. Music is progressive and artist build on their inspirations.

There are people who profess to not understand why the Beatles were such a big deal. Yet music as we know it would not exist without them.


Agreed. Also a younger generation cannot appreciate older music in general because they don't see it as what is happening now.

That is like a modern artist dissing Leonardo Da Vinci, Botticelli, Vermeer, Van Gogh, The Byzantine era, The Greek and Roman architects............and the list goes on.

These folks laid the groundwork. It would be well worth your time to learn to find out what makes them so special to rock fans throughout the ages.

The music of every era has its use and beauty. I appreciate music from most generations. Classical, Country, Rock, Pop, Hip Hop, Rockabilly, Punk........and the list goes on.

I sing a great deal of old tunes from my mom's era, she and I used to sing them on trips in the car. They are simple but beautiful in their own right.

Try checking them out more, and place yourself in the time period. What was going on then? Why was this music crutial to the culture and society of the time?
Twenty years from now when some kid is saying the music you love sucks, you can explain it to them. Trust me they won't get it at first either. :wink: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:13 am
by Behshad
ebake02 wrote:No modern guitarist can touch Joe Bonamassa.

Not with you standing in their way while you're surrounding him with your mancrush! :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:03 am
by ebake02
artist4perry wrote:
Hollywood wrote:It is because without the Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, and Hendrix you would not have any of the players you mentioned. Music is progressive and artist build on their inspirations.

There are people who profess to not understand why the Beatles were such a big deal. Yet music as we know it would not exist without them.


Agreed. Also a younger generation cannot appreciate older music in general because they don't see it as what is happening now.



I have always felt like an outsider in my generation, 99% of my music collection is classic rock, 80s metal and 90s grunge. I have never really been a fan of any of the "music" that is out there now.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:16 am
by artist4perry
ebake02 wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Hollywood wrote:It is because without the Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, and Hendrix you would not have any of the players you mentioned. Music is progressive and artist build on their inspirations.

There are people who profess to not understand why the Beatles were such a big deal. Yet music as we know it would not exist without them.


Agreed. Also a younger generation cannot appreciate older music in general because they don't see it as what is happening now.



I have always felt like an outsider in my generation, 99% of my music collection is classic rock, 80s metal and 90s grunge. I have never really been a fan of any of the "music" that is out there now.


I think it goes both ways, Ebake. I have tried to have an open mind on new music, some I find good, some not so good. But I can identify with your passion for 80's and 90's rock. It was just a phenomenal era.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:20 am
by Rockindeano
From my POV, it doesn't matter how well a current guy can emulate a true legend. The fact is someone had to create that memorable lick...whether it be something so magnicficant as Stairway to Heaven, Dream On, Born to Run, or something more poppy, catchy, like Who'sCryin Now or Summer of 69. Those guys formulated those guitar lines/notes. Hell, anyone can copy it...the talent is to CREATE something. That is my argument with Pineada as a singer. Sure he can sing, and copy, but the guy can't write his way out of a snot saturated bag.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:02 am
by ebake02
artist4perry wrote:
ebake02 wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Hollywood wrote:It is because without the Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, and Hendrix you would not have any of the players you mentioned. Music is progressive and artist build on their inspirations.

There are people who profess to not understand why the Beatles were such a big deal. Yet music as we know it would not exist without them.


Agreed. Also a younger generation cannot appreciate older music in general because they don't see it as what is happening now.



I have always felt like an outsider in my generation, 99% of my music collection is classic rock, 80s metal and 90s grunge. I have never really been a fan of any of the "music" that is out there now.


I think it goes both ways, Ebake. I have tried to have an open mind on new music, some I find good, some not so good. But I can identify with your passion for 80's and 90's rock. It was just a phenomenal era.


I'm a big fan of the really old stuff too like Hendrix, Cream, The Beatles and Led Zeppelin. You should see some of the looks I get when I roll up to a red light with White Room, While My Guitar Gently Weeps or Hey Joe cranked way up loud! :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:58 am
by Peartree12249
The point is that great guitarists are not created in a vacuum. They are a product of all the music they've ever listened to and everyone that came before. Every great guitarist will admit that they have stolen licks from other artists they admire and who influenced them in one way or another. Comparing who is the better guitarist from different generations is like comparing baseball players or football players of different eras. You can only compare them to others of the same time period. Take Page or Hendrix for example. One of the reasons they are so highly regarded is that they did stuff nobody else was doing at the time. They looked for ways to push the guitar and the sounds it was capable of making. (Watch the video "It Might Get Loud") Thousands of young men aspired to play guitar based on what these 2 men did at the time.

While there are also many highly technically proficient guitar players out there, many of them lack the passion of a Stevie Ray Vaughn or Rory Gallagher. Great guitarist are also considered great not just because they are innovative or that they can play the shit out of their instrument, but because when you listen to them play it's like looking into their soul. To me a great guitarist is someone who when I listen to him play, my jaw drops & the hair on the back of my neck stands up. It doesn't matter if its, rock, blues or classical. I have to connect with the music emotionally.

The beauty of the guitar is that there is something out there for everyone, and we'll never get tired of debating over who's the best guitarist. It's all in the ear of the listener. Enjoy! :D

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:37 pm
by Rhiannon
Rockindeano wrote:The fact is someone had to create that memorable lick...whether it be something so magnicficant as Stairway to Heaven, Dream On, Born to Run, or something more poppy, catchy, like Who'sCryin Now or Summer of 69. Those guys formulated those guitar lines/notes. Hell, anyone can copy it...the talent is to CREATE something.


This. All this. I agree with all of it.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:06 pm
by Deb
Rhiannon wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:The fact is someone had to create that memorable lick...whether it be something so magnicficant as Stairway to Heaven, Dream On, Born to Run, or something more poppy, catchy, like Who'sCryin Now or Summer of 69. Those guys formulated those guitar lines/notes. Hell, anyone can copy it...the talent is to CREATE something.


This. All this. I agree with all of it.


Agreed. DREAM ON, what a classic! Looooooove that song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Qd9VR1gD8

Just finished reading Tyler's book. :)