* STEVE JOBS RESIGNS AS CEO OF APPLE *

[Behshad]

Sell your stocks Dan ! Sad news !!


http://www.iosempire.com/2011/08/steve- ... -of-apple/

[steveo777]

He has far exceeded the survival rate for pancreatic cancer, then gone on to have liver failure and a transplant. It's amazing he's lived this long and clearly was kept alive by will to live and purpose. I hate to speculate what this all means, but it doesn't sound good.

[portland]

He has far exceeded the survival rate for pancreatic cancer, then gone on to have liver failure and a transplant. It's amazing he's lived this long and clearly was kept alive by will to live and purpose. I hate to speculate what this all means, but it doesn't sound good.

Pancreatic cancer will kill, just a matter of time, one of the ones we TRY to treat by resection...five years is a miracle.

[StevePerryHair]

I had a feeling this would happen, since he took that leave of absence earlier in the year, and then didn't have his annual time in June, when he introduced the new products. Sad:( People think he's not Apple, but he is a big part of why they are what they are today. They weren't doing so well when he left (or was fired) the first time! He helped turn it back around!

[Behshad]

I had a feeling this would happen, since he took that leave of absence earlier in the year, and then didn't have his annual time in June, when he introduced the new products. Sad:( People think he's not Apple, but he is a big part of why they are what they are today. They weren't doing so well when he left (or was fired) the first time! He helped turn it back around!

Actually he did have hi annual time on stage in June.

[StevePerryHair]

I had a feeling this would happen, since he took that leave of absence earlier in the year, and then didn't have his annual time in June, when he introduced the new products. Sad:( People think he's not Apple, but he is a big part of why they are what they are today. They weren't doing so well when he left (or was fired) the first time! He helped turn it back around!

Actually he did have hi annual time on stage in June.

He did???? And YOU didn't post it???? Don't you know I rely on you for my news here!!!

[Behshad]

I had a feeling this would happen, since he took that leave of absence earlier in the year, and then didn't have his annual time in June, when he introduced the new products. Sad:( People think he's not Apple, but he is a big part of why they are what they are today. They weren't doing so well when he left (or was fired) the first time! He helped turn it back around!

Actually he did have hi annual time on stage in June.

He did???? And YOU didn't post it???? Don't you know I rely on you for my news here!!!

Um I thought you relied on FactFinder for your news.

[StevePerryHair]

I had a feeling this would happen, since he took that leave of absence earlier in the year, and then didn't have his annual time in June, when he introduced the new products. Sad:( People think he's not Apple, but he is a big part of why they are what they are today. They weren't doing so well when he left (or was fired) the first time! He helped turn it back around!

Actually he did have hi annual time on stage in June.

He did???? And YOU didn't post it???? Don't you know I rely on you for my news here!!!

Um I thought you relied on FactFinder for your news.

Not for my APPLE news!!

[Behshad]

As expected

http://www.iosempire.com/2011/08/steve- ... es-shares/

[StevePerryHair]

As expected

http://www.iosempire.com/2011/08/steve- ... es-shares/

I bet it will be a while before people trust the company without him...though I bet stocks sell anytime the CEO of a major company resigns. Then again, Apple has a history of him with and without Apple and they could predict based on that maybe?

[steveo777]

As expected

http://www.iosempire.com/2011/08/steve- ... es-shares/

I bet it will be a while before people trust the company without him...though I bet stocks sell anytime the CEO of a major company resigns. Then again, Apple has a history of him with and without Apple and they could predict based on that maybe?

No, Apple has a history with and without Steve Jobs. (I think that's what you were trying to say.) j/k

[Don]

A bit off point but it looks like all of the major carriers will be getting the new iphone this time around.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20096 ... eStories.0

[Saint John]

Steve Jobs passed the baton to Tim Cook at least a year ago. As with everything else with the guy, he kept it veiled in secrecy, and the announcement yesterday was nothing more than an "official" event. I just hope the guy stays alive. He's the most influential tech mind in the world's history and the iPhone and iPad have changed the way we communicate. I hope he stays alive long enough to see iCloud dominate in a similar fashion. And it will. And Apple TV will soon be the medium that brings all of the Apple products right into the living room.

PS BB, they're supposedly going to announce an incredible new super thin "game-changing" laptop very soon!

[Behshad]

Steve Jobs passed the baton to Tim Cook at least a year ago. As with everything else with the guy, he kept it veiled in secrecy, and the announcement yesterday was nothing more than an "official" event. I just hope the guy stays alive. He's the most influential tech mind in the world's history and the iPhone and iPad have changed the way we communicate. I hope he stays alive long enough to see iCloud dominate in a similar fashion. And it will. And Apple TV will soon be the medium that brings all of the Apple products right into the living room.

PS BB, they're supposedly going to announce an incredible new super thin "game-changing" laptop very soon!

Glad to know that youre always in the know. Steve jobs was totally involved in developement of iPad 2 and iOS5, which all happened during the last 12 months. So he has been actively involved in Apple software and hardware developement.
However with Tim Cook at the Helm, I see this as something that will change people's view on Apple and its products.
They can make the laptops thinner and thinner, which is cool, but it will take Apple a long time to totally get involved in the true gaming and gamers industry.
The main thing that Apple lacks when it comes to GAMER's Needs assesement is PHYSICAL CONTROLLER. While they can sell apps such as Angry Bird and iFarts, the true gaming community is still using Sony/MS/Nintendo and will do so until Apple comes out with something better...

[Saint John]

Steve jobs was totally involved in development of iPad 2 and iOS5, which all happened during the last 12 months.

And that has little to do with being the CEO. If he's still around, and I hope he is, I'm sure his new position will have him working on iOS6. Unfortunately, I think this move is a precursor to the inevitable.

So he has been actively involved in Apple software and hardware development.

Very true, but Jobs' vision is second to none. Some of the iPhone4 patents (that were wildly raped by competitors with no consequences ) were done in the 90's. The guy plots way ahead. I suspect he has the outline and game plan for the next 5-10 years already in motion.

They can make the laptops thinner and thinner, which is cool, but it will take Apple a long time to totally get involved in the true gaming and gamers industry.
The main thing that Apple lacks when it comes to GAMER's Needs assesment is PHYSICAL CONTROLLER. While they can sell apps such as Angry Bird and iFarts, the true gaming community is still using Sony/MS/Nintendo and will do so until Apple comes out with something better...

All good points and Apple has certainly been late to the party with gaming ... but that was a choice. I think they prioritized properly and went ahead with much bigger gross margin products like the iPhone and iPad. Remember, they have enough cash and cash equivalents to buy the top 3 major gaming companies in the world ... if they so choose. But that's not the way of Steve. He likes entering the fray, dominating the market and watching other companies slowly die (Nokia, RIMM and Nortel to name a few). I just hope he sticks around for awhile.

[Behshad]

And that has little to do with being the CEO. If he's still around, and I hope he is, I'm sure his new position will have him working on iOS6. Unfortunately, I think this move is a precursor to the inevitable.

If he could be involved in the daily development of Apple products, he wouldnt have stepped down yesterday. His letter makes it clear that as a chairman now he wont be able to do what he has done for Apple, which as we both know is more than just being a CEO

Very true, but Jobs' vision is second to none. Some of the iPhone4 patents (that were wildly raped by competitors with no consequences ) were done in the 90's. The guy plots way ahead. I suspect he has the outline and game plan for the next 5-10 years already in motion.

Valid link please ? I hardly believe that Jobs had iPhone 4 patents 10-20 years ago. Much like I dont believe he has solid game plans for the next 5-10 years. Apple is one company that has shown us that as soon as they have anything they know they can sell, they will release it, even if it means it will affect the sales on what they released last month

All good points and Apple has certainly been late to the party with gaming ... but that was a choice. I think they prioritized properly and went ahead with much bigger gross margin products like the iPhone and iPad. Remember, they have enough cash and cash equivalents to buy the top 3 major gaming companies in the world ... if they so choose. But that's not the way of Steve. He likes entering the fray, dominating the market and watching other companies slowly die (Nokia, RIMM and Nortel to name a few). I just hope he sticks around for awhile.

Not by choice. Apple has tried to make gaming console(s) but have not had any good luck with it. They made one of the history's worse gaming consoles



And having all cash means nothing if they new product lineup comes to a halt. Remember, there's a lot of people out there that will not see Apple the same without Jobs , plus I think we will see a difference in product quality and originality when Job isnt involved.

[brandonx76]

Not by choice. Apple has tried to make gaming console(s) but have not had any good luck with it. They made one of the history's worse gaming consoles



And having all cash means nothing if they new product lineup comes to a halt. Remember, there's a lot of people out there that will not see Apple the same without Jobs , plus I think we will see a difference in product quality and originality when Job isnt involved.

Was Jobs involved with that 'pippin' thing? I don't think so, I think the Pepsi guy (Scully) or the followup CEO before Jobs took over was still at the helm...A bit of trivia - did you know Jobs co-developed the original Atari game that went on to become 'Breakout' - he used to work at Atari...

As for gaming - depends on how you look at it, Apple has crippled gaming giants like Nintendo in the portable space with iPad and iPhone games most under $5.00...

In any event, reading some of the history of Jobs - obviously a brilliant and persistent individual. The company is losing part of it's soul - but it's obvious the company will have staying power for the next 15 to 20 years based alone on everything they've accomplished in the last 10 years, that is, if they continue to innovate...

[Behshad]

Not by choice. Apple has tried to make gaming console(s) but have not had any good luck with it. They made one of the history's worse gaming consoles



And having all cash means nothing if they new product lineup comes to a halt. Remember, there's a lot of people out there that will not see Apple the same without Jobs , plus I think we will see a difference in product quality and originality when Job isnt involved.

Was Jobs involved with that 'pippin' thing? I don't think so, I think the Pepsi guy (Scully) or the followup CEO before Jobs took over was still at the helm...A bit of trivia - did you know Jobs co-developed the original Atari game that went on to become 'Breakout' - he used to work at Atari...

As for gaming - depends on how you look at it, Apple has crippled gaming giants like Nintendo in the portable space with iPad and iPhone games most under $5.00...

In any event, reading some of the history of Jobs - obviously a brilliant and persistent individual. The company is losing part of it's soul - but it's obvious the company will have staying power for the next 15 to 20 years based alone on everything they've accomplished in the last 10 years, that is, if they continue to innovate...

You really think Apple has cripples Nintendo's portables sales? iFarts and Apps like that dont count in a GAMER'S MARKET.
Those games for $.99 or $5 dont compare to actual games gamer's play. So while Apple has of course got themselves involved in a huge market share of the gaming industry, their profit in that department are fraction of what The Big Three make.
However, I can see Apple taking over more, IF they come out with a console (iPlay! ) and then get giants like EA onboard for software.
But just the same way that Jobs wasnt involved with the Pippin production, he probably wont be involved in the develoment of "iPlay"....

[brandonx76]

Not by choice. Apple has tried to make gaming console(s) but have not had any good luck with it. They made one of the history's worse gaming consoles



And having all cash means nothing if they new product lineup comes to a halt. Remember, there's a lot of people out there that will not see Apple the same without Jobs , plus I think we will see a difference in product quality and originality when Job isnt involved.

Was Jobs involved with that 'pippin' thing? I don't think so, I think the Pepsi guy (Scully) or the followup CEO before Jobs took over was still at the helm...A bit of trivia - did you know Jobs co-developed the original Atari game that went on to become 'Breakout' - he used to work at Atari...

As for gaming - depends on how you look at it, Apple has crippled gaming giants like Nintendo in the portable space with iPad and iPhone games most under $5.00...

In any event, reading some of the history of Jobs - obviously a brilliant and persistent individual. The company is losing part of it's soul - but it's obvious the company will have staying power for the next 15 to 20 years based alone on everything they've accomplished in the last 10 years, that is, if they continue to innovate...

You really think Apple has cripples Nintendo's portables sales? iFarts and Apps like that dont count in a GAMER'S MARKET.
Those games for $.99 or $5 dont compare to actual games gamer's play. So while Apple has of course got themselves involved in a huge market share of the gaming industry, their profit in that department are fraction of what The Big Three make.
However, I can see Apple taking over more, IF they come out with a console (iPlay! ) and then get giants like EA onboard for software.
But just the same way that Jobs wasnt involved with the Pippin production, he probably wont be involved in the develoment of "iPlay"....

I don't have market data in hand, but I know Nintendo has been forced to take drastic measures with it's 3DS (an $80 price drop since it's release earlier this year) - I have heard Nintendo say themselves they feel that cheap games like that available from iPad/iPhone are 'bad for the business..." And there has been speculation that Nintendo is not going to fair well with the Wii U ( of course, who doesn't speculate, lol)

I am curious tho, if anyone knows of market data on gaming system use- I'd be interested to see how many people play (legally) each system - I was talking with a friend of mine and he took issue with my feeling that PC gaming is pretty small (around 10%) - but I'm basing this just on my gut...curious if I'm close, as well would be curious to understand the gaming market, and Apple's current market share. I guess I could ask a friend of mine who works at IGN

[brandonx76]

p.s. "Dayam!!!" re: your avatar

[Saint John]

Valid link please ? I hardly believe that Jobs had iPhone 4 patents 10-20 years ago. Much like I dont believe he has solid game plans for the next 5-10 years. Apple is one company that has shown us that as soon as they have anything they know they can sell, they will release it, even if it means it will affect the sales on what they released last month

Pinch gestures and slide lock are two that I know of, but here's a link:

http://www.androidauthority.com/apple-s ... roid-6037/

Here's another one that goes to the actual court filing and lawsuit:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/apple-ht ... 1/#2757966

http://www.engadget.com/photos/apple-ht ... 1/#2757970

[Saint John]

You really think Apple has cripples Nintendo's portables sales?

Nintendo Hurt By iPad Surge, Study Finds

Despite claims to the contrary, it would seem that Apple is indeed making a dent in the handheld gaming market with the release of the iPad. Fortune magazine is reporting that the iPad has been eating away at the market share of multiple electronics markets such as netbooks, desktop PCs and even its smaller cousin, the iTouch. What is even more unexpected, though, is Apple’s rising handheld gaming market share through the App store in the iPhone, iTouch and more importantly, the iPad.

The study comes from Morgan Stanley’s Katy Huberty, and though she focuses on the recent Hewlett Packard acquisition of Palm, there is discussion of the iPad's effect on the rest of the handheld gadget market. Gaming handhelds were a likely candidate for cannibalization.

Nintendo recently reported a net income decline for the first time in 6 years, and it seems that they are expecting to continue to take a hit, notably in the handheld market. This comes at a time where the iPad and its game applications are starting to rise up and get noticed. In a separate Fortune article, Adam Sussman, VP of EA Mobile, gaming reflected upon the benefits of the iPad. “It’s really a new product category that is suited for lifestyle entertainment, but it also opens a host of new possibilities for game experiences, which currently has three games in the Top 10. It enables us to create new game experiences that are really different and very exciting.” With the imminent Game Center app that will mimic a social networking aspect akin to Xbox Live, Apple is poising itself to take a big chunk of the handheld market.

The iPad is well on the way to defining the social and recreational gaming market, and it is fast becoming the preferred method for new gamers to ease into the market; and that is taking a chunk directly out of a market that had been dominated by Nintendo. With over a million iPad sales, and over 3.5 million apps specifically for the iPad [thanks Pocket Gamer], there is no sign that any slowdown is going to occur. Support from big name developers such as EA, Ubisoft, Capcom and a myriad of others lends credit to the system turning into a legitimate gaming concern.

Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter agrees with the Morgan Stanley findings. "The introduction of the 3DS some time this fiscal year may serve to hold off substitution of iPod Touch for DS, but we think that ultimately, Apple will gain share in the handheld market," he said.

Perhaps Reggie should be a little worried?

[Behshad]

Valid link please ? I hardly believe that Jobs had iPhone 4 patents 10-20 years ago. Much like I dont believe he has solid game plans for the next 5-10 years. Apple is one company that has shown us that as soon as they have anything they know they can sell, they will release it, even if it means it will affect the sales on what they released last month

Pinch gestures and slide lock are two that I know of, but here's a link:

http://www.androidauthority.com/apple-s ... roid-6037/

Here's another one that goes to the actual court filing and lawsuit:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/apple-ht ... 1/#2757966

http://www.engadget.com/photos/apple-ht ... 1/#2757970

both pinch and slide were used before iPhone 4

[Behshad]

You really think Apple has cripples Nintendo's portables sales?

Nintendo Hurt By iPad Surge, Study Finds

Despite claims to the contrary, it would seem that Apple is indeed making a dent in the handheld gaming market with the release of the iPad. Fortune magazine is reporting that the iPad has been eating away at the market share of multiple electronics markets such as netbooks, desktop PCs and even its smaller cousin, the iTouch. What is even more unexpected, though, is Apple’s rising handheld gaming market share through the App store in the iPhone, iTouch and more importantly, the iPad.

The study comes from Morgan Stanley’s Katy Huberty, and though she focuses on the recent Hewlett Packard acquisition of Palm, there is discussion of the iPad's effect on the rest of the handheld gadget market. Gaming handhelds were a likely candidate for cannibalization.

Nintendo recently reported a net income decline for the first time in 6 years, and it seems that they are expecting to continue to take a hit, notably in the handheld market. This comes at a time where the iPad and its game applications are starting to rise up and get noticed. In a separate Fortune article, Adam Sussman, VP of EA Mobile, gaming reflected upon the benefits of the iPad. “It’s really a new product category that is suited for lifestyle entertainment, but it also opens a host of new possibilities for game experiences, which currently has three games in the Top 10. It enables us to create new game experiences that are really different and very exciting.” With the imminent Game Center app that will mimic a social networking aspect akin to Xbox Live, Apple is poising itself to take a big chunk of the handheld market.

The iPad is well on the way to defining the social and recreational gaming market, and it is fast becoming the preferred method for new gamers to ease into the market; and that is taking a chunk directly out of a market that had been dominated by Nintendo. With over a million iPad sales, and over 3.5 million apps specifically for the iPad [thanks Pocket Gamer], there is no sign that any slowdown is going to occur. Support from big name developers such as EA, Ubisoft, Capcom and a myriad of others lends credit to the system turning into a legitimate gaming concern.

Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter agrees with the Morgan Stanley findings. "The introduction of the 3DS some time this fiscal year may serve to hold off substitution of iPod Touch for DS, but we think that ultimately, Apple will gain share in the handheld market," he said.

Perhaps Reggie should be a little worried?

Every time there is competition, it affects sales, no doubt, but not to the extent of crippling Nintendos sales.
At the end of the day, people still pay $30 for a quality game instead of $30 for 30 half-ass apps/games.

[Saint John]

both pinch and slide were used before iPhone 4

Who cares? If they're Apple's patents, no one else can use them. I know one of the others is seeing a phone number in text, being able to touch that and having the phone ask you if you'd like to call that number. Same with an address, as it relates to GPS. Apple patented both of those features, too. Many, many years ago.

[Behshad]

both pinch and slide were used before iPhone 4

Who cares? If they're Apple's patents, no one else can use them. I know one of the others is seeing a phone number in text, being able to touch that and having the phone ask you if you'd like to call that number. Same with an address, as it relates to GPS. Apple patented both of those features, too. Many, many years ago.

Correct,
But patenting ideas left and right is much much different than putting it into reality and making it what it became, which was thanks to Mr Jobs. Thats where I think Apple will hurt the most. Having Jobs look over every little detail before the product goes into production and on the market.

[Saint John]

both pinch and slide were used before iPhone 4

Who cares? If they're Apple's patents, no one else can use them. I know one of the others is seeing a phone number in text, being able to touch that and having the phone ask you if you'd like to call that number. Same with an address, as it relates to GPS. Apple patented both of those features, too. Many, many years ago.

Correct,
But patenting ideas left and right is much much different than putting it into reality and making it what it became, which was thanks to Mr Jobs. Thats where I think Apple will hurt the most. Having Jobs look over every little detail before the product goes into production and on the market.

Totally agree. He insisted on no stylus for the iPad and went at it with his entire board for many, many months over it. But he was obviously right. Fuck, who would even argue with the guy?!?

[Don]

Actually, the reason Apple got in trouble financially back in the 80s was because it didn't patent anything. When Jobs came back, the company became a patent whore just to survive.
While many people may remember Microsoft seemingly giving Apple a helping hand with 150 million dollars back in 1997, what most don't know is that MS kept giving behind the scenes to the tune of over one billion dollars, to make a couple of potentially huge patent lawsuits disappear.

[StevePerryHair]

I can't post in the other thread.. so this is for Davepc...

[Saint John]

both pinch and slide were used before iPhone 4

Who cares? If they're Apple's patents, no one else can use them. I know one of the others is seeing a phone number in text, being able to touch that and having the phone ask you if you'd like to call that number. Same with an address, as it relates to GPS. Apple patented both of those features, too. Many, many years ago.

Correct,
But patenting ideas left and right is much much different than putting it into reality and making it what it became, which was thanks to Mr Jobs. Thats where I think Apple will hurt the most. Having Jobs look over every little detail before the product goes into production and on the market.

I agree with you 100%, but I also believe that until that man takes his last breath he'll be helping out with product innovation, vision and will be the very last person each product goes to before it gets approved. I think his diminished health has left him unable to work on a daily basis, and the stockholders need the cloud of uncertainty lifted, from a succession standpoint. In other words, nothing's really changed from yesterday to today, at least from an internal standpoint at Apple. This is just, and I hope I'm wrong, an admission that the end may be near.