MR

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:18 am**

Since I won't be around tomorrow to post this, I thought I'd start a thread to honor the folks who perished or suffered terrible injuries in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and United Flight 93 as well as the first responders who died or who are still suffering mentally & physically from the after affects of that dreadful day. Never Forget! :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBd5lISEvaI

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:38 am**

I know someone who won't.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:42 am**

OMG!!!! B - where ya at?!?

I apologize... I totally sympathize with the subject and all the families who lost loved ones. Will never forget that and don't want to disrespect the thread. But that photo freakin' cracked me up.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:44 am**

Rip Rokken wrote:OMG!!!! B - where ya at?!?

I apologize... I totally sympathize with the subject and all the families who lost loved ones. Will never forget that and don't want to disrespect the thread. But that photo freakin' cracked me up.

Don't apologize Rip. It's been 10 years, worst thing I've ever been through on a national scale too, but humor gets you through it. :wink:

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:21 am**

I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:24 am**

S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:29 am**

AR wrote:
S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

A great quote from Carlin, paraphrasing, or course...."Go out..shop. buy things. Keep doing the things you used to do, or else the terrorists win"

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:38 am**

S2M wrote:
AR wrote:
S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

A great quote from Carlin, paraphrasing, or course...."Go out..shop. buy things. Keep doing the things you used to do, or else the terrorists win"

I remember that quote and......They did win....

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:44 am**

S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

The apathy isn't quite as bad as all that. There are things going on now and have been ever since 9/11 that were put in place to keep us much safer, as far as air travel is concerned. My job is just that. Ripping apart the interiors of aircraft looking for any little thing that doesn't belong. It's hard, unrewarding work, but there is a certain satisfaction derived from it, knowing the purpose it serves.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:45 am**

I'd like to remember this solemn moment with some wise words from my friend, Dan Saint John. A true visionary whose words ring just as true today as they did when he posted this:

Saint John wrote:Like Fred Phelps and his crew, Muslims, every single one of them, should be exterminated. They have an 1800 year history of nothing but violence. From their infant stages when they conquered from Spain to China, to present day infiltration from Sudan to Indonesia, they have one thing in mind ... world domination. The entire world of religions have evolved in their tolerances, save for one. Along the way, they have killed 150 million people. Their zeal hasn't waned in any of those 1800 years. History has shown them to be nothing but a violent and useless menace, offering zero tolerance and mandating conversion.

The second half of the Qur'an lays out a bloody but mandatory path to fulfillment, and I simply can't respect or co-exist with anyone that uses this book as the cornerstone of their belief system. I appreciate life and have no desire to spend it spreading any sort of "word" like these religious dopes do. No God wants to praised (unless he has insecurity problems), but I would bet that he wants us to respect life. These people simply do not and there's nothing, not a fucking thing, in their past that remotely resembles tolerance outside of their bullshit set of religious beliefs. They don't like this country, they don't like our way of life and even the Muslim women of this country gladly take their subservient role and go along with it. They're not on PTA's, 99% 0f their kids don't play sports, aren't in drama clubs, on debate teams etc. They're here to use our country ... to pilfer from it and spread their hate in their mosques. They're nothing more than a combination of organized crime in that they funnel money, Nazis in that they spread hate, intolerance and one religion (instead of one race) and the group headed by Fred Phelps in that they represent the very worst aspects of organized religion.

I have taken a non-violent approach to these maggots. My civility, temperament and free belief system allow me to do that. However, don't get me wrong here ... I would like nothing more than to see them all disappear from this country. I passively hate them all. They're a disease, not a religion. As an American citizen, anyone that chums up to them or is anything more than outwardly indifferent to them is a fucking treasonous pig. It would be like embracing cancer in one of your parents, children or other loved one because it's not yet terminal. See them for what they are, folks. If 1800 years of bloody history and recent events aren't enough, get a fucking CAT scan because you're probably brain dead.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:47 am**

Ehwmatt wrote:I'd like to remember this solemn moment with some wise words from my friend, Dan Saint John. A true visionary whose words ring just as true today as they did when he posted this:

Saint John wrote: No God wants to praised (unless he has insecurity problems)

Best line of Dan's rant!

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:52 am**

I agree with both Matt, and Dan...however, why are we fighting on the ground, dying, when we so assertively, and non-descriminately dropped 2 H-bombs on Japan - 66 years ago? Did we finally find a conscience?

This could have been over within a week. But I guess there is no money to be made by dropping bombs. We need to drag this out, and occupy a peripheral country...

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:54 am**

S2M wrote:I agree with both Matt, and Dan...however, why are we fighting on the ground, dying, when we so assertively, and non-descriminately dropped 2 H-bombs on Japan - 66 years ago? Did we finally find a conscience?

This could have been over within a week. But I guess there is no money to be made by dropping bombs. We need to drag this out, and occupy a peripheral country...

No guts to do that anymore. Wars are now politically correct.

No money being made on Iraq and Afghanistan. Haven't you seen what it is costing? It's stupid.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:34 am**

AR wrote:
S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

Didn't Journey catch flack for playing "World Gone Wild" due to the 9/11 attacks and were forced to pull it from their setlist on the Arrival tour? Can't remember where I heard that....

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:35 am**

S2M wrote:I agree with both Matt, and Dan...however, why are we fighting on the ground, dying, when we so assertively, and non-descriminately dropped 2 H-bombs on Japan - 66 years ago? Did we finally find a conscience?

This could have been over within a week. But I guess there is no money to be made by dropping bombs. We need to drag this out, and occupy a peripheral country...

YES, we could have just turned that shit hole into glass and muslim fossils.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:37 am**

AR wrote:
S2M wrote:
AR wrote:
S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

A great quote from Carlin, paraphrasing, or course...."Go out..shop. buy things. Keep doing the things you used to do, or else the terrorists win"

I remember that quote and......They did win....

Osama Bin Laden's plan was to see America suffer through economics and lifestyle. Those building crashing down was an added perk to his ego and hatred towards America and all things Red, White & Blue. 10 years later, we STILL haven't recovered and gradually getting worse in the economy, trillions in debt from 9/11, let alone War against Terrorism and National Tragedy. With Bin Laden dead, his actions still haunt us. :evil:

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:11 am**

As much as I dislike Bin Laden... you're giving him waaaay too much credit for destroying the US economy...

Congresses going back about 40 years deserve the lions-share of credit (blame) for what is happening now...

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:10 am**

When I think about the events of that day and watched them unfold literally before our very eyes, the most haunting and chilling memories are those of the jumpers. Here were ordinary, work-a-day individuals routinely going about their typical Tuesday rituals when they were forced to make the ultimate decision. Minutes before that, the biggest decision they might have faced thus far that morning was, "Do I want a Danish or a muffin? Hmmm... decisions, decisions..."
But, due to the dire situation facing them and their confidence that their demise was eminent, they felt they had to make a choice - and for those who were Christian, they had the added burden of the religious aspects and the consequences of taking their own life.

I can't begin to imagine just how very desperate and scared they were in the moments leading up to actually jumping. I still get choked up when I think about those poor people or read stories about them. A couple of years ago, I saw uncut amateur video of several jumpers which followed them all the way to the ground. It's safe to assume I wish I hadn't.

My heart breaks for the loved ones of all those who were needlessly murdered that day. The events of 9/11 will never be forgotten. However, as time passes, the feelings and emotions felt by all of us who "lived" through it won't be felt by the next generations and eventually 9/11 will become just another significant date in our country's history.

One thing 9/11 did for us as a nation, I believe, is it made us rethink the word "hero" and those to which we attach it as a label. Those first responders, the men and women of the NY Port Authority and all of the people who selflessly attempted to provide assistance and or rescue to those trapped will always be heroes in my book.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:15 am**

I refuse to commemorate 9/11 in any way. I feel for all those who were victims of these diaperheaded bozos, but the country making a huge deal out of the tenth anniversary of the attacks only shows these bozos that they had a lasting impression on us. We'd be better off not even acknowledging the 10th anniversary at all. Fuck that.

Have functions honoring victims, cops/firefighters, etc., but do it on a less conspicuous day and not so uniformly.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:43 am**

Ehwmatt wrote:I refuse to commemorate 9/11 in any way. I feel for all those who were victims of these diaperheaded bozos, but the country making a huge deal out of the tenth anniversary of the attacks only shows these bozos that they had a lasting impression on us. We'd be better off not even acknowledging the 10th anniversary at all. Fuck that.

Have functions honoring victims, cops/firefighters, etc., but do it on a less conspicuous day and not so uniformly.

I completely disagree. Making a big deal out of it is the best way to keep the memories at the forefront and not allow something like it to happen again. It's partly for the reason you described above that there are a growing number of people who no longer believe the holocaust was a real historical event.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:55 am**

AR wrote:
S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

I don't believe that was the final night for the Arrival tour Ed...They played into early October I believe.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:15 am**

RossValoryRocks wrote:
AR wrote:
S2M wrote:I've given up on this country. That coming together as a country, kuumbaya feeling lasted 3 mos. tops. Then people went back to the same zombie lives, same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

That being said, although I don't agree with us being over there, or the reasons why we ARE there - I have to feel for the men and women who are still over there....

Did it even last 3 months?

Now tomorrow, you will see a bunch of self serving politicians wrap themselves in the American flag, but it is all just posturing.

Side note - I saw Journey on 9/12/01 in York, PA. Final night of the Arrival tour. Special night, weird vibe and needed to do something normal.

I don't believe that was the final night for the Arrival tour Ed...They played into early October I believe.

They may have extended it, but that was supposed to be it at the time IIRC.

Funny thing that night, a friend of mine got popped trying to film it. :lol:

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:27 am**

I am with Rip that photo is funny. :lol:

As for 9/11 I don't think anyone strongly affected by it could forget. I did a sculpture/shrine in college aired out my grief and look at it as though we should never let our guard down. Some people live in a vacuum. If it didn't happen to me personally I just go on and pretend it didn't happen. But it did.

For those who lost on that day my deepest regrets to your loss.

For those who perpetuated the pain on that day, or would orchestrate anything of the like, remember what goes around, comes around. :twisted:

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:17 pm**

S2M wrote:same oblivious existence that nudged the wackos to attack us in the first place...

Agreed, and it's this complacency coupled with being way too p.c. so as not to "offend" that will get us attacked again.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:38 pm**

I'm posting here because I was told thisis the topic I'm allowed to discuss :lol:

Great pic Ed. I will get you reported to Annex moderators for publishing a picture that was private for Annex members :lol:

9/11 was more than am attack in USA. It was an attack on humanity. It was a cowardly attack on civil life.
It was an attack on people with many different beliefs and religions.

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:42 pm**

Oh shit , now I'm gonna get accused of following someone around. Damn , you're smooth :lol:

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:50 pm**

I lived in NYC from 1996-1997. I visited the WTC in my last weeek. I remember my friends and I laying around the fountain looking at the stars. I remember walking inside the building marveling at its beauty. It is hard to believe that place became a scene of such horror less than four years later. I was aware of the WTC attack in 93, but it was nothing close to this. (I am not denegrating the lives losts then, just saying based on sheer magnitude). NEVER FORGET. :cry:

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:26 pm**

The babies of 9/11 have grown to look remarkably like the fathers they never knew ...

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:31 pm**

Michigan Girl wrote:The babies of 9/11 have grown to look remarkably like the fathers they never knew ...

That brought a tear to my eye!

Posted: **Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:41 am**

steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:The babies of 9/11 have grown to look remarkably like the fathers they never knew ...

That brought a tear to my eye!

Absolutely!! But the overall message, imo, is that we
are a country healing ..we aren't going to forget, but
we are moving forward!! Very well done!!

MR

September 11, 2001 Never Forget!

September 11, 2001 Never Forget!