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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/20/pr ... vis-guilt/

I believe Troy Davis is innocent, as do millions. I signed petitions to have this guy's life spared, simply because the evidence of guilt has not been proven.
Today an innocent man is scheduled to die by lethal injection. I've been following this story for a couple years and I am upset by this outcome, his final appeal
to the backward state of Georgia parole board. The guy is black, what the hell else were they supposed to do? That was the talk around our water fountain today and
we disagree, but the inbred commies that run that state, act that way. Many feel that is exactly why this case has been handled the way it has. With nothing more any
of us can do to spare his life, I lay down and I pray for his soul. I pray for his family and I pray that the red neck assholes who failed to see the leaks in this case are
brought to similar justice.

God rest your soul, Troy Davis! We tried.

I hope the Supreme Court has the good sense to step in and stop this.

Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

RossValoryRocks wrote:Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

And Orenthal was acquitted by a jury of his...mistakes ARE made. What's your point?

I don't know- I used to be an big supporter of the death penalty and though that anyone against it was a Koolaid drinking pinko.
Im not so sure any more. As a Libertarian I don't trust the government not to screw anything up. If they screw everything else up how can we be so sure that they wont screw justice up botching evidence and end up condemming innocent people.

In this case I think there were two killings - I think the first one was absolutely certainly done by Troy Davis. I think it is the second killing that is in dispute and whilst I think they have the right person here there are other cases where it is not the case. Take for instance the case in Texas of Todd Willingham, executed for homicidal arson, but the facts now show the foresnics expert hired by the states did awful shoddy work and they guy was problaly innocent..

I used to be very pro the death penalty. In the last few years my views have changed dramatically. In certain, cut and dry situations I think it should be an option. In others I now think that it’s worse punishment to keep them incarcerated, having to live with what they did, and know they will never have their freedom again. Not only is that frankly more humane, but it at least saves the tax payers the incredibly high costs and court fees that are constantly racked up by each death row inmate while they really do nothing more than try to stave off their death. Their goal isn’t freedom in most cases, it’s just not dying. So, why waste the money. Go build a maximum security, non-country club prison, out in the boonies somewhere in the Arizona or Nevada desert and send them all there.

Finally, if it was a life without parole situation, you never run the risk of killing an innocent person.

marco17 wrote:I used to be very pro the death penalty. In the last few years my views have changed dramatically. In certain, cut and dry situations I think it should be an option. In others I now think that it’s worse punishment to keep them incarcerated, having to live with what they did, and know they will never have their freedom again. Not only is that frankly more humane, but it at least saves the tax payers the incredibly high costs and court fees that are constantly racked up by each death row inmate while they really do nothing more than try to stave off their death. Their goal isn’t freedom in most cases, it’s just not dying. So, why waste the money. Go build a maximum security, non-country club prison, out in the boonies somewhere in the Arizona or Nevada desert and send them all there.

Finally, if it was a life without parole situation, you never run the risk of killing an innocent person.

So you think the other inmates who arent on deathrow get billed for their stay and pay for their room, meal and laundry ?

Behshad wrote:

marco17 wrote:I used to be very pro the death penalty. In the last few years my views have changed dramatically. In certain, cut and dry situations I think it should be an option. In others I now think that it’s worse punishment to keep them incarcerated, having to live with what they did, and know they will never have their freedom again. Not only is that frankly more humane, but it at least saves the tax payers the incredibly high costs and court fees that are constantly racked up by each death row inmate while they really do nothing more than try to stave off their death. Their goal isn’t freedom in most cases, it’s just not dying. So, why waste the money. Go build a maximum security, non-country club prison, out in the boonies somewhere in the Arizona or Nevada desert and send them all there.

Finally, if it was a life without parole situation, you never run the risk of killing an innocent person.

So you think the other inmates who arent on deathrow get billed for their stay and pay for their room, meal and laundry ?

Well, they say that executing someone is more expensive than imprisoning them for life. Think that's what he's getting at.

I have no problem with the death penalty in clear-cut cases, like the recently convicted Cleveland serial killer Anthony Sowell. Guy murdered women and was living with their decaying bodies.

Behshad wrote:

marco17 wrote:I used to be very pro the death penalty. In the last few years my views have changed dramatically. In certain, cut and dry situations I think it should be an option. In others I now think that it’s worse punishment to keep them incarcerated, having to live with what they did, and know they will never have their freedom again. Not only is that frankly more humane, but it at least saves the tax payers the incredibly high costs and court fees that are constantly racked up by each death row inmate while they really do nothing more than try to stave off their death. Their goal isn’t freedom in most cases, it’s just not dying. So, why waste the money. Go build a maximum security, non-country club prison, out in the boonies somewhere in the Arizona or Nevada desert and send them all there.

Finally, if it was a life without parole situation, you never run the risk of killing an innocent person.

So you think the other inmates who arent on deathrow get billed for their stay and pay for their room, meal and laundry ?

No, but high-security facilities are a hell of a lot more expensive to run than the county jails littered around the country. I think that's what he was getting at. It costs a damn FORTUNE to keep someone on "Death Row" for 15 or 16 years. Not to mention all of the court and attorney costs for all of their appeals that our tax dollars are paying for.

I don't believe in the death penalty for people convicted on circumstantial evidence. If you go into a Waffle House, shoot 10 people, and there were several eye witnesses as well as security camera's that caught you there... I say give them 1 day. Let them say their goodbye's (which is a luxury not afforded the people he shot), let them eat whatever the hell they want, then fry their asses the next morning. Too easy in my mind.

G.I.Jim wrote:No, but high-security facilities are a hell of a lot more expensive to run than the county jails littered around the country. I think that's what he was getting at. It costs a damn FORTUNE to keep someone on "Death Row" for 15 or 16 years. Not to mention all of the court and attorney costs for all of their appeals that our tax dollars are paying for.

Well dont keep them in jail for 15-16 years. hurry up and convict them with evidence you got and give them the needle , problem solved

G.I.Jim wrote: I don't believe in the death penalty for people convicted on circumstantial evidence. If you go into a Waffle House, shoot 10 people, and there were several eye witnesses as well as security camera's that caught you there... I say give them 1 day. Let them say their goodbye's (which is a luxury not afforded the people he shot), let them eat whatever the hell they want, then fry their asses the next morning. Too easy in my mind.

Well said ! I agree totally !

LLL wrote:Texas has one cued up and ready to go tonight as well - at the very same time I believe. This human garbage, when interviewed just yesterday, stated:

“As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets,” Brewer says. “No, I’d do it all over again, to tell you the truth.”

http://www.khou.com/home/The-Texas-murder-that-shook-America--130176288.html


Oh, and here's his "last meal" request. It was probably delivered about an hour ago:

*Two chicken fried steaks smothered in gravy with sliced onions

*A triple meat bacon cheeseburger with fixings on the side

*A cheese omelet with ground beef, tomatoes, onions, bell peppers and jalapenos.

*A large bowl of fried okra with ketchup

*One pound of barbecue with half a loaf of white bread

*Three fajitas with fixings

*A meat lovers pizza

*Three root beers

*One pint of Blue Bell vanilla ice cream

*A slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts

He is planning to puke on his executioner.

Just read a few articles on the case. Sure sounds like he did it to me. They had a ton of witnesses and a family neighbor that said he admitted to it. Seems pretty open and shut, to me.

S2M wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

And Orenthal was acquitted by a jury of his...mistakes ARE made. What's your point?

Very true about the Juice...who should have gotten the juice...but I wasn't talking about the jury...got back and read what I said...all the courts that looked at it found the appeals he made not to stand up. The Supremes bounced it back for a lower court to look at again, and when they did the Supremes held with their reasoning the second time.

The guy is a cop killer...he will now pay for that crime.

If it seems like I am a bit hateful of cop killers...yes I am...Most cops are REALLY good cops...they go out and put their lives on the line for us every day for little pay and usually little gratitude until one of them dies...then and only then it seems people get behind them. Not saying you are like that...but a lot of people are. Every time I see a cop I thank them. Same as I do with our Military.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

S2M wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

And Orenthal was acquitted by a jury of his...mistakes ARE made. What's your point?

Very true about the Juice...who should have gotten the juice...but I wasn't talking about the jury...got back and read what I said...all the courts that looked at it found the appeals he made not to stand up. The Supremes bounced it back for a lower court to look at again, and when they did the Supremes held with their reasoning the second time.

The guy is a cop killer...he will now pay for that crime.

If it seems like I am a bit hateful of cop killers...yes I am...Most cops are REALLY good cops...they go out and put their lives on the line for us every day for little pay and usually little gratitude until one of them dies...then and only then it seems people get behind them. Not saying you are like that...but a lot of people are. Every time I see a cop I thank them. Same as I do with our Military.

I have no problem with that. I'm not convinced that he did it and most of the evidence is circumstantial and witnesses have recanted their stories, leaving too little certainty to execute him. There is no overwhelming evidence and therefore this should not be a death penalty case.

It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

Glad the scum in Texas got it too.

RossValoryRocks wrote:Glad the scum in Texas got it too.

Different type of individual and I agree, he got what he had coming. And FWIW, if I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Troy committed the act he is
accused of and was convicted of, I'd be right there in your corner. I have too much doubt of his guilt.

LLL wrote:

steveo777 wrote:It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

The last attempt failed. He was executed at 11:08 pm EST tonight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/troy-davis-executed-in-georgia-as-pleas-for-clemency-fail.html

My heart is in my throat.
The long ordeal is over for everyone, including Mr. MacPhail's family and Troy's family. It would be hard for anyone to feel good tonight,
but at least it's over. I doubt justice was carried out. My soul feels like a jigsaw puzzle right now. Sad stuff!
I'm gutted.

Capital punishment is a broken tool. The way it's applied now is nothing short of an absolute failure, particularly in the realm of deterrence.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

S2M wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

And Orenthal was acquitted by a jury of his...mistakes ARE made. What's your point?

Very true about the Juice...who should have gotten the juice...but I wasn't talking about the jury...got back and read what I said...all the courts that looked at it found the appeals he made not to stand up. The Supremes bounced it back for a lower court to look at again, and when they did the Supremes held with their reasoning the second time.

The guy is a cop killer...he will now pay for that crime.

If it seems like I am a bit hateful of cop killers...yes I am...Most cops are REALLY good cops...they go out and put their lives on the line for us every day for little pay and usually little gratitude until one of them dies...then and only then it seems people get behind them. Not saying you are like that...but a lot of people are. Every time I see a cop I thank them. Same as I do with our Military.

Not in my area. The cops in my area are usually fresh out of the academy and they're assholes, they'll ticket you for anything. When I worked second shift (2:30pm-1:00am) one of those ignorant bastards would tail me home (a 25 mile commute) almost every night, a foot off my rear bumper. Got pulled over once and his lame ass excuse for because "my license plate lamp was broken".

ebake02 wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

S2M wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

And Orenthal was acquitted by a jury of his...mistakes ARE made. What's your point?

Very true about the Juice...who should have gotten the juice...but I wasn't talking about the jury...got back and read what I said...all the courts that looked at it found the appeals he made not to stand up. The Supremes bounced it back for a lower court to look at again, and when they did the Supremes held with their reasoning the second time.

The guy is a cop killer...he will now pay for that crime.

If it seems like I am a bit hateful of cop killers...yes I am...Most cops are REALLY good cops...they go out and put their lives on the line for us every day for little pay and usually little gratitude until one of them dies...then and only then it seems people get behind them. Not saying you are like that...but a lot of people are. Every time I see a cop I thank them. Same as I do with our Military.

Not in my area. The cops in my area are usually fresh out of the academy and they're assholes, they'll ticket you for anything. When I worked second shift (2:30pm-1:00am) one of those ignorant bastards would tail me home (a 25 mile commute) almost every night, a foot off my rear bumper. Got pulled over once and his lame ass excuse for because "my license plate lamp was broken".

And that labels him as a bad cop ? If your license plate lamp is broken = they cant see your plate at night , which is pretty much like not having plates on or having them covered up. He was doing his job. I bet he didnt give you a ticket though and just a warning.

steveo777 wrote:

LLL wrote:

steveo777 wrote:It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

The last attempt failed. He was executed at 11:08 pm EST tonight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/troy-davis-executed-in-georgia-as-pleas-for-clemency-fail.html

My heart is in my throat.
The long ordeal is over for everyone, including Mr. MacPhail's family and Troy's family. It would be hard for anyone to feel good tonight,
but at least it's over. I doubt justice was carried out. My soul feels like a jigsaw puzzle right now. Sad stuff!
I'm gutted.

You act like you now 100% he was innocent !
Jimmy Carter says this guy is innocent which means they guy is 100% guilty and justice was carried out!
As far as your soul goes, I dont think you can ever put the puzzle pieces back together regardless of this case

You can certainly debate the death penalty - especially for what it costs taxpayers in order to carry out but anyone who spends 30 minutes finding out the FACTS in this case will come away convinced of Mr. Davis' guilt. It is said that there was NO physical evidence yet his blood-soaked shorts (with officer MacPhail's blood) were not allowed into evidence. There were not 9 witnesses, there were more than 20.

Behshad wrote:

ebake02 wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

S2M wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Troy Davis was found guilty by a jury of his peers...every judicial body that has looked at the case on appeal has held that he was guilty and should be put to death.

He is a convicted cop killer...what about justice for the victim here?

And Orenthal was acquitted by a jury of his...mistakes ARE made. What's your point?

Very true about the Juice...who should have gotten the juice...but I wasn't talking about the jury...got back and read what I said...all the courts that looked at it found the appeals he made not to stand up. The Supremes bounced it back for a lower court to look at again, and when they did the Supremes held with their reasoning the second time.

The guy is a cop killer...he will now pay for that crime.

If it seems like I am a bit hateful of cop killers...yes I am...Most cops are REALLY good cops...they go out and put their lives on the line for us every day for little pay and usually little gratitude until one of them dies...then and only then it seems people get behind them. Not saying you are like that...but a lot of people are. Every time I see a cop I thank them. Same as I do with our Military.

Not in my area. The cops in my area are usually fresh out of the academy and they're assholes, they'll ticket you for anything. When I worked second shift (2:30pm-1:00am) one of those ignorant bastards would tail me home (a 25 mile commute) almost every night, a foot off my rear bumper. Got pulled over once and his lame ass excuse for because "my license plate lamp was broken".

And that labels him as a bad cop ? If your license plate lamp is broken = they cant see your plate at night , which is pretty much like not having plates on or having them covered up. He was doing his job. I bet he didnt give you a ticket though and just a warning.

It was broke but he didn't need to tail me for 20+ miles to figure that out. The only reason he pulled over is because he was looking for an easy DUI, the license plate lamp was just his shitty excuse to pull me over. You could hear a disappointed tone in his voice when I said I was on my home from work, he never mentioned the lamp being out until the last minute.

Behshad wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

LLL wrote:

steveo777 wrote:It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

The last attempt failed. He was executed at 11:08 pm EST tonight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/troy-davis-executed-in-georgia-as-pleas-for-clemency-fail.html

My heart is in my throat.
The long ordeal is over for everyone, including Mr. MacPhail's family and Troy's family. It would be hard for anyone to feel good tonight,
but at least it's over. I doubt justice was carried out. My soul feels like a jigsaw puzzle right now. Sad stuff!
I'm gutted.

You act like you now 100% he was innocent !
Jimmy Carter says this guy is innocent which means they guy is 100% guilty and justice was carried out!
As far as your soul goes, I dont think you can ever put the puzzle pieces back together regardless of this case

A government killed another man. Not really a laughing matter.

The death penalty is both disgusting and without purpose, as it does not deter crime or cut costs. Iran, North Korea, Libya and USA. Thumbs up!

parfait wrote:

Behshad wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

LLL wrote:

steveo777 wrote:It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

The last attempt failed. He was executed at 11:08 pm EST tonight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/troy-davis-executed-in-georgia-as-pleas-for-clemency-fail.html

My heart is in my throat.
The long ordeal is over for everyone, including Mr. MacPhail's family and Troy's family. It would be hard for anyone to feel good tonight,
but at least it's over. I doubt justice was carried out. My soul feels like a jigsaw puzzle right now. Sad stuff!
I'm gutted.

You act like you now 100% he was innocent !
Jimmy Carter says this guy is innocent which means they guy is 100% guilty and justice was carried out!
As far as your soul goes, I dont think you can ever put the puzzle pieces back together regardless of this case

A government killed another man. Not really a laughing matter.

The death penalty is both disgusting and without purpose, as it does not deter crime or cut costs. Iran, North Korea, Libya and USA. Thumbs up!

You suggest they just do what they do in Norway and put the guy who killed so many innocent people behind bars for 20 years then through parole and good behavior let him back out in less than ten years.
Your lack of comprehension when it comes to the purpose of death penalty is a laughing matter.
The government didn't kill an innocent man. They punished a murderer.

Behshad wrote:

parfait wrote:

Behshad wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

LLL wrote:

steveo777 wrote:It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

The last attempt failed. He was executed at 11:08 pm EST tonight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/troy-davis-executed-in-georgia-as-pleas-for-clemency-fail.html

My heart is in my throat.
The long ordeal is over for everyone, including Mr. MacPhail's family and Troy's family. It would be hard for anyone to feel good tonight,
but at least it's over. I doubt justice was carried out. My soul feels like a jigsaw puzzle right now. Sad stuff!
I'm gutted.

You act like you now 100% he was innocent !
Jimmy Carter says this guy is innocent which means they guy is 100% guilty and justice was carried out!
As far as your soul goes, I dont think you can ever put the puzzle pieces back together regardless of this case

A government killed another man. Not really a laughing matter.

The death penalty is both disgusting and without purpose, as it does not deter crime or cut costs. Iran, North Korea, Libya and USA. Thumbs up!

You suggest they just do what they do in Norway and put the guy who killed so many innocent people behind bars for 20 years then through parole and good behavior let him back out in less than ten years.
Your lack of comprehension when it comes to the purpose of death penalty is a laughing matter.
The government didn't kill an innocent man. They punished a murderer.

Perfectly stated.

Behshad wrote:

parfait wrote:A government killed another man. Not really a laughing matter.

The death penalty is both disgusting and without purpose, as it does not deter crime or cut costs. Iran, North Korea, Libya and USA. Thumbs up!

You suggest they just do what they do in Norway and put the guy who killed so many innocent people behind bars for 20 years then through parole and good behavior let him back out in less than ten years.
Your lack of comprehension when it comes to the purpose of death penalty is a laughing matter.
The government didn't kill an innocent man. They punished a murderer.

The purpose of the death penalty is to punish the bad guy. If it does or doesn't deter crime, who cares? The bad guy won't be able to terrorize anyone else. That dude is DRT (Dead Right There).

That being said, I support the death penalty in theory but not in practice. There are too many instances of innocent people being convicted and/or put to death for me to support it in practice.

conversationpc wrote:The purpose of the death penalty is to punish the bad guy.

I think it's more of a tool to offer the family and friends the only closure afforded at that point.

Behshad wrote:

parfait wrote:

Behshad wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

LLL wrote:

steveo777 wrote:It appears he has just been granted another stay, just an hour before his scheduled execution.

I urge people who believe he is innocent to remain vigilant and say a prayer for Troy and his family, if you have faith. Everyone else,
please think good thoughts.

The last attempt failed. He was executed at 11:08 pm EST tonight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/troy-davis-executed-in-georgia-as-pleas-for-clemency-fail.html

My heart is in my throat.
The long ordeal is over for everyone, including Mr. MacPhail's family and Troy's family. It would be hard for anyone to feel good tonight,
but at least it's over. I doubt justice was carried out. My soul feels like a jigsaw puzzle right now. Sad stuff!
I'm gutted.

You act like you now 100% he was innocent !
Jimmy Carter says this guy is innocent which means they guy is 100% guilty and justice was carried out!
As far as your soul goes, I dont think you can ever put the puzzle pieces back together regardless of this case

A government killed another man. Not really a laughing matter.

The death penalty is both disgusting and without purpose, as it does not deter crime or cut costs. Iran, North Korea, Libya and USA. Thumbs up!

You suggest they just do what they do in Norway and put the guy who killed so many innocent people behind bars for 20 years then through parole and good behavior let him back out in less than ten years.
Your lack of comprehension when it comes to the purpose of death penalty is a laughing matter.
The government didn't kill an innocent man. They punished a murderer.

You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about in regard to Behring Breivik (the 22nd of july murderer) or the Norwegian justice system. Our maximum sentencing in Norway is 21 years, but we have something called containment, which can be given to a person who's extremely dangerous for society - and there's no limit on the containment. Breivik is most likely going to be in prison for most of his life. And let me just point out that our murder rate per 100 000 is 0,6 and USA's is 5. USA prosecute the most in any country, 48 per 1000 - Norway 2,6. You have also more prisoners per capita than any other country in the world. Not making this out to be a Norway vs USA thread though. I would personally see Breivik raped and tortured for the rest of his life, but we're a democracy, where also criminals deserve basic human rights.

The point is that capital punishment is simply not deserving of a modern, enlightened judicial system.