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I understand parent's fear of vaccines to a certain extent, but really, you'd not only give your child chickenpox on purpose, but you'd go so far as to buy lollipops that have been allegedly licked by chicken pox infested children to boot? From FACEBOOK of all places? EWE!!!!!


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/prosecutor-parents-mailing-chickenpox-illegal-14884367

That is absolutely insane, but doesn't surprise me in the least. My wife's youngest sister is one of the people who would do this. She's crazy as a six dollar bill, and is out of her freaking mind.

scarygirl wrote:I understand parent's fear of vaccines to a certain extent, but really, you'd not only give your child chickenpox on purpose, but you'd go so far as to buy lollipops that have been allegedly licked by chicken pox infested children to boot? From FACEBOOK of all places? EWE!!!!!


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/prosecutor-parents-mailing-chickenpox-illegal-14884367

Crazy for sure.

Babyblue wrote:

scarygirl wrote:I understand parent's fear of vaccines to a certain extent, but really, you'd not only give your child chickenpox on purpose, but you'd go so far as to buy lollipops that have been allegedly licked by chicken pox infested children to boot? From FACEBOOK of all places? EWE!!!!!


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/prosecutor-parents-mailing-chickenpox-illegal-14884367

Crazy for sure.

The child can thank them for all the scarring they will get from the pox. I had them, thankfully not too bad. The vaccine was not around then. Trust me they are miserable to have and can cause severe scarring for some folks.

artist4perry wrote:

Babyblue wrote:

scarygirl wrote:I understand parent's fear of vaccines to a certain extent, but really, you'd not only give your child chickenpox on purpose, but you'd go so far as to buy lollipops that have been allegedly licked by chicken pox infested children to boot? From FACEBOOK of all places? EWE!!!!!


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/prosecutor-parents-mailing-chickenpox-illegal-14884367

Crazy for sure.

The child can thank them for all the scarring they will get from the pox. I had them, thankfully not too bad. The vaccine was not around then. Trust me they are miserable to have and can cause severe scarring for some folks.

I had a really bad case as a child. And yes, I have the pox marks. Trust me if that vaccine would have been around back then, this girl would have gotten it.

Yummy, spit on lollypops. That is a mom's love for their child. Oh mother! May I have the luggie seasoned cherry? I want Hepatitis, and the flu too while we are at it. I just love spittle. Gross. None of you are eating while reading this are you?

Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Did he get the shot or the stuff you inhale? I had mine yesterday and it didn't hurt, though my arm was sore last night. 2 days beats a week of full blown flu.

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Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

Good point, it is better that folks who are older like me, and kids get shots. We offered them for free to our kids at school with parental consent. But if you have ever had a full blown awful case of the flu you would wish you had taken one.

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

He's a medical student (go figure) doing some kinda internship/residency and he was forced to get one. He didn't want to.

Ehwmatt wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

He's a medical student (go figure) doing some kinda internship/residency and he was forced to get one. He didn't want to.

I think one of the side effects in some people is mild flu like symptoms. Better mild than the real thing. I agree the flu shot is not for everyone, although I think young kids and oldsters should get it as the FLU can be deadly to those two groups.

My mother is always ragging me about getting the flu shot. Some years I get it, others I skip it. Other than allergies I am healthy as a horse. I don't really see the need for myself anyway.

Ehwmatt wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

He's a medical student (go figure) doing some kinda internship/residency and he was forced to get one. He didn't want to.

Nobody can force you to take a shot. I would've said "I'll administer it, but I won't take it."

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

He's a medical student (go figure) doing some kinda internship/residency and he was forced to get one. He didn't want to.

Nobody can force you to take a shot. I would've said "I'll administer it, but I won't take it."

Makes little sense, since you're basically bathing in the virus in an hospital. A medical student with the flu could easily pass it onto older patients.

It's a shame that an ignorant minority has taken up the call to discredit vaccination. Vaccines causing autism for example. which is complete bullshit.

parfait wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

He's a medical student (go figure) doing some kinda internship/residency and he was forced to get one. He didn't want to.

Nobody can force you to take a shot. I would've said "I'll administer it, but I won't take it."

Makes little sense, since you're basically bathing in the virus in an hospital. A medical student with the flu could easily pass it onto older patients.

It's a shame that an ignorant minority has taken up the call to discredit vaccination. Vaccines causing autism for example. which is complete bullshit.

Which part is difficult for you to comprehend, the notion of somebody being "forced" to accept an injection, or the notion that the average twentysomething's immune response isn't sufficient to handle the influenza virus?

So how did everybody in previous decades get by without the flu shot?

You try to pass yourself off as the voice of reason, but you usually fall short of the mark. As you were.

P.S.

parfait wrote:A medical student with the flu

should stay the fuck home.

verslibre wrote:

parfait wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Vaccines are good in some instances, but I do not do flu shots. Fuck that noise. My bud recently got one (Asian kid - NEVER gets sick - in fact, a lot of my Asian friends never seem to even get sniffles), and he instantly came down with flu-like symptoms for 2 days.

Why would a twentysomething guy get a flu shot?!

He's a medical student (go figure) doing some kinda internship/residency and he was forced to get one. He didn't want to.

Nobody can force you to take a shot. I would've said "I'll administer it, but I won't take it."

Makes little sense, since you're basically bathing in the virus in an hospital. A medical student with the flu could easily pass it onto older patients.

It's a shame that an ignorant minority has taken up the call to discredit vaccination. Vaccines causing autism for example. which is complete bullshit.

Which part is difficult for you to comprehend, the notion of somebody being "forced" to accept an injection, or the notion that the average twentysomething's immune response isn't sufficient to handle the influenza virus?

So how did everybody in previous decades get by without the flu shot?

You try to pass yourself off as the voice of reason, but you usually fall short of the mark. As you were.

Every health worker is highly recommended to take the flu shots - foremost for the patient's safety. Med students also have to take vaccines for tetanus, MMR, hep B etc. The influenza virus starts shedding (meaning that it's infectious) a day before symptoms appear, so a person can transmit the virus without even feeling sick at all. The seasonal flu worldwide kills around 200 000 to 500 000 a year. The influenza vaccine however has a efficacy ranging from 50-90 percent and decreases hospitalization, thus drastically decreasing costs. The cost savings are at 30 € per person vaccinated. So people managed in the previous decades too. It's just that they had a lot more sick days, was hospitalized more often, more died from it and it was way more expensive for the government.

God damn retard.

parfait wrote:The seasonal flu worldwide kills around 200 000 to 500 000 a year.

So the rest of our world, with its population of over seven billion people, gets by. How much of that really has to do with the vaccine?

Getting the vaccine should be a choice. Maybe you think otherwise, but I don't give a shit what you think.

parfait wrote:God damn retard.

Uh, oh! Somebody didn't get his piss-blood-and-cum cocktail this weekend.

scarygirl wrote:I understand parent's fear of vaccines to a certain extent, but really, you'd not only give your child chickenpox on purpose, but you'd go so far as to buy lollipops that have been allegedly licked by chicken pox infested children to boot? From FACEBOOK of all places? EWE!!!!!


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/prosecutor-parents-mailing-chickenpox-illegal-14884367

Let me preface this by saying up front: I AM NO MEDICAL EXPERT.

However, it seems to me this type of exposure to the disease is some sort of rudimentary, primitive way of inoculating someone against the disease. My understanding is this is sort of how vaccines work - by exposing a subject to a mild or harmless form of a certain disease, in hopes that the body builds up a defense against the real thing.

I'm not sure exposing your children to a live virus or whatever is a good idea, but hey, like I said, I'm no medical expert.

While I think that this type of behavior (buying spit lolly pops from facebook) is nuts; I do understand the fear. I think a lot of things we have been told are good for our health are hyped. People have every right to question what is being injected into their bodies. They need to know what the risks are so they can weigh them against the good and make educated decisions. My cat Mya died partially because I didn't question enough and trusted my doctor a little too much without getting all the facts. I know hind sight is 20/20, but if I could have a do-over he would have never received that anti-biotic injection. As it stands now, I do question. I don't trust quite so much.

As to the medical student, I don't think he is being forced into anything. Immunizations are a requirement of being a medical student. No one is forcing him to be a medical student. There is also the medical needs of his patients to consider. While the flu may not kill a 20-something year old man, it can be deadly to the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

Now if someone is being forcably injected with some mirco chip sp they can be tracked that is another ball of wax altogether and that is something I am very much against. I know there is talk of dementia patients being tracked this way and I know the argument is it for their safety, blah, blah. There other way to track people without going to this extreme

verslibre wrote:

parfait wrote:The seasonal flu worldwide kills around 200 000 to 500 000 a year.

So the rest of our world, with its population of over seven billion people, gets by. How much of that really has to do with the vaccine?

Getting the vaccine should be a choice. Maybe you think otherwise, but I don't give a shit what you think.

parfait wrote:God damn retard.

Uh, oh! Somebody didn't get his piss-blood-and-cum cocktail this weekend.

If your a medical student and have to take the shot, it is because your in a position to care for others who are highly susceptible to the deadliest reactions to the disease, for instance, cancer patients, people with low immunities. My mom has low immunity due to breast cancer, the common cold can be deadly, much less the flu. If it were your family member wouldn't you like to know your care givers have had the shot? You say stay at home, but many times the symptoms don't totally present themselves and you have already exposed others to the contagion.

The reason for the chicken pox vaccine is the high level of contagion. Most of the time you do not know you have chicken pox, (the spots are not showing yet) and you have exposed others to the disease. The fever alone makes one contagious. You may not even know your running the fever, you just feel warm. That is the reason it is so contagious. It scars children. Some quite badly.

Now if you want your kids to have scars, and be that ill be my guest, but the thing is other children may be exposed because of your negligence. That is the point.

Who cares if your willing to take risks? But ask yourself why should the public be exposed to these diseases because you are willing to suffer through it?

Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

Jonny B wrote:Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

Once a person has had chickenpox, they will have immunity to the disease for the rest of their life. However, the virus may return later in life as shingles.

A person who has active shingles can infect others with chickenpox, but cannot give shingles to someone else.

I don't know if you have ever had shingles, but they are extremely painful I hear. There is reasons why they vaccine against it. Not to mention some of the scarring is really bad.

Was their proof that the children who got the immunization for chicken pox were ill due to the vaccine? Curious about that.

artist4perry wrote:

Jonny B wrote:Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

Once a person has had chickenpox, they will have immunity to the disease for the rest of their life. However, the virus may return later in life as shingles.

A person who has active shingles can infect others with chickenpox, but cannot give shingles to someone else.

I don't know if you have ever had shingles, but they are extremely painful I hear. There is reasons why they vaccine against it. Not to mention some of the scarring is really bad.

Was their proof that the children who got the immunization for chicken pox were ill due to the vaccine? Curious about that.

4 or 5 years down the road? Seems to me that vaccine side-effects shouldn't last that long.

And no, I've never had shingles. 27 years since the Pox I might add.

Jonny B wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

Jonny B wrote:Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

Once a person has had chickenpox, they will have immunity to the disease for the rest of their life. However, the virus may return later in life as shingles.

A person who has active shingles can infect others with chickenpox, but cannot give shingles to someone else.

I don't know if you have ever had shingles, but they are extremely painful I hear. There is reasons why they vaccine against it. Not to mention some of the scarring is really bad.

Was their proof that the children who got the immunization for chicken pox were ill due to the vaccine? Curious about that.

4 or 5 years down the road? Seems to me that vaccine side-effects shouldn't last that long.

And no, I've never had shingles. 27 years since the Pox I might add.

Maybe your lucky, but my grandmother had them, and they were excruciating! I have had friends who have had them. I am just saying a little poke should not be worse than shingles and scarring. As for the side effects, I wonder if it was the shots at all that caused them. It could be the children just had low immunities. Maybe mom is too much of a clean freak or something, and the kids were not exposed to normal kid stuff. Who knows why? But i have not seen any studies stating the shots caused 4 to 5 year side effects. Maybe something to look up though if your kids are of age to take them.

Jonny B wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

Jonny B wrote:Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

Once a person has had chickenpox, they will have immunity to the disease for the rest of their life. However, the virus may return later in life as shingles.

A person who has active shingles can infect others with chickenpox, but cannot give shingles to someone else.

I don't know if you have ever had shingles, but they are extremely painful I hear. There is reasons why they vaccine against it. Not to mention some of the scarring is really bad.

Was their proof that the children who got the immunization for chicken pox were ill due to the vaccine? Curious about that.

4 or 5 years down the road? Seems to me that vaccine side-effects shouldn't last that long.

And no, I've never had shingles. 27 years since the Pox I might add.

You can get shingles from it (chicken pox) later in life. It is awful.

There is a percentage of children, 15-20% who STILL get the chickenpox, after getting the vaccine. This is not a side effect. The vaccine just didn't give them enough of an immunity boost for some reason. All 3 of my kids got the vaccine. My son was the only one who got the chicken pox, despite having the vaccine. But I'd do it again!! His case was SO mild! NOTHING like what I had to deal with as a child. That's what sold me on the vaccine when I heard a percentage of kids still were not immune. Their cases are much milder and that also reduces the chances of other more severe complications of the chicken pox, such as pneumonia or encephalitis. Yeah, wonder how those parents PURPOSELY exposing their kids will feel, when one of them dies from something encephalitis. People think things like the flu and chicken pox are just things we get. Part of life. Deal with it. They can also be very deadly. To healthy people too. It's only sad when people know someone personally it's happened to though. And then it's "gee, too bad they didn't get the vaccine, it was such a preventable thing"

Jonny B wrote:Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

I was not aware of this, but I believe it^^^. My parents had four girls, 6 and under at one point ...
whenever one of their friends kids had the Chicken Pox, mother would expose us all at once. Not one
of us has ever had the pox. Our children have gotten them (very mild...no vaccines) and we didn't get
them from our children either. I have always been fearful of getting them as an adult, but our immune
systems must have grown stronger each time we were exposed (I hope). My mother always said we have
great immune systems, but I always thought it was something she just said ...until my
girl's pediatrician voiced, at different times, that they had amazing immune systems ...my mom said, "See?"

StevePerryHair wrote:There is a percentage of children, 15-20% who STILL get the chickenpox, after getting the vaccine. This is not a side effect. The vaccine just didn't give them enough of an immunity boost for some reason. All 3 of my kids got the vaccine. My son was the only one who got the chicken pox, despite having the vaccine. But I'd do it again!! His case was SO mild! NOTHING like what I had to deal with as a child. That's what sold me on the vaccine when I heard a percentage of kids still were not immune. Their cases are much milder and that also reduces the chances of other more severe complications of the chicken pox, such as pneumonia or encephalitis. Yeah, wonder how those parents PURPOSELY exposing their kids will feel, when one of them dies from something encephalitis. People think things like the flu and chicken pox are just things we get. Part of life. Deal with it. They can also be very deadly. To healthy people too. It's only sad when people know someone personally it's happened to though. And then it's "gee, too bad they didn't get the vaccine, it was such a preventable thing"

I really did always think this...
But I would've had mine take the vaccine had it been invented ...don't know when that happened?!

Michigan Girl wrote:

Jonny B wrote:Actually, you WANT to give your child chicken pox, and the earlier, the better. Chicken Pox is the illness that jump-starts the immune system, and so the earlier a child receives it, the stronger their immune system will be when they get older. In addition, once you catch it, it's super-rare that one will catch it again. You're generally immune for good.

Case and point, I got the Chicken Pox when I was 2. And I RARELY get sick. I'm lucky to see a weak flu once every 4 or 5 years. One of my relatives caught it at 15, and hit him VERY HARD, and he gets sick every year. In comparison, I know a couple children who got the Chicken Pox vaccine, and their immune systems can't seem to fight anything off. They literally get sick every few months.

I was not aware of this, but I believe it^^^. My parents had four girls, 6 and under at one point ...
whenever one of their friends kids had the Chicken Pox, mother would expose us all at once. Not one
of us has ever had the pox. Our children have gotten them (very mild...no vaccines) and we didn't get
them from our children either. I have always been fearful of getting them as an adult, but our immune
systems must have grown stronger each time we were exposed (I hope). My mother always said we have
great immune systems, but I always thought it was something she just said ...until my
girl's pediatrician voiced, at different times, that they had amazing immune systems ...my mom said, "See?"

What he's saying has NO medical basis at all. He is saying that ONE particular virus, the chicken pox virus, determines how well a child's immune system will work for ALL other illness. I call the BS flag. Sorry. We all have different immune systems whether we are "healthy" people or not. It's just how we're made. I have never heard anything that makes less sense than this in my life. Well, maybe a few things! But not many!