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....pretty egregious that opponents were making issue of personal things that have nothing to do with running a country, and getting this economy back on it's feet.

99% of the time the media is running counterproductive to what's best for this nation.

I just don't have any idea why anybody would run for office (let alone POTUS) knowing these things are in his background.

Ehwmatt wrote:I just don't have any idea why anybody would run for office (let alone POTUS) knowing these things are in his background.

Hmmm...the point is that EVERYONE has transgressions in their background. There is no perfect candidate. The media stirs the pot, and knocks out potential candidates in some sort of partisan conspiracy.

As long as the media is allowed to nestle under the amendment, they can basically 24-hour news cycle, and ink their way into steering whichever person they want into the presidency. This country sucks ass.

S2M wrote:....pretty egregious that opponents were making issue of personal things that have nothing to do with running a country, and getting this economy back on it's feet.

99% of the time the media is running counterproductive to what's best for this nation.

I don't know if he is guilty or not guilty of sexual assault. If he is guilty I don't want him for president. If he has not been brought before a court though and proven to be guilty his innocence should be assumed.
But we all know that is not how it works. You are guilty before proven innocent in this country by the media.

I am not surprised if he pulls out, and if he is guilty it is just as well. But I say watch the next person who rises in the ranks as in the front running. They are next on the attack mode.

Perry stumbled on his words and the media is still eating him for breakfast over it.

Any mistakes are going to be the topic of the day, not the issues. That is what makes me dislike the media.

I agree with S2M that everyone has skeletons in their closet. What would be really refreshing would be for one of these candidates to take those issues off the table by laying them out from the onset, or dealing with them honestly when they come up, instead of lying their asses off. Cain has (in my opinion) lied repeatedly just like the worst of them, while at the same time trying to liken himself to "Moses" to cater to the religious right. None of these guys deserves the office... but that's the choice we'll always get.

Rip Rokken wrote:I agree with S2M that everyone has skeletons in their closet. What would be really refreshing would be for one of these candidates to take those issues off the table by laying them out from the onset, or dealing with them honestly when they come up, instead of lying their asses off. Cain has (in my opinion) lied repeatedly just like the worst of them, while at the same time trying to liken himself to "Moses" to cater to the religious right. None of these guys deserves the office... but that's the choice we'll always get.

The problem is, within reason, the President isn't the moral representative of the nation....the President is like a CEO. If the CEO of my company ran the business right - I wouldn't care what he did in his personal life(within reason) e.g. breaking a law.

The problem arises when infidelity is reported - you lose the religious right. And that was a planned leak.

Ehwmatt wrote:I just don't have any idea why anybody would run for office (let alone POTUS) knowing these things are in his background.

I agree. You know there going to find it so why subject yourself and family to it, If its true about the 13 year
affair he is an idiot for running.

S2M wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:I agree with S2M that everyone has skeletons in their closet. What would be really refreshing would be for one of these candidates to take those issues off the table by laying them out from the onset, or dealing with them honestly when they come up, instead of lying their asses off. Cain has (in my opinion) lied repeatedly just like the worst of them, while at the same time trying to liken himself to "Moses" to cater to the religious right. None of these guys deserves the office... but that's the choice we'll always get.

The problem is, within reason, the President isn't the moral representative of the nation....the President is like a CEO. If the CEO of my company ran the business right - I wouldn't care what he did in his personal life(within reason) e.g. breaking a law.

The problem arises when infidelity is reported - you lose the religious right. And that was a planned leak.

Interesting perspective. Don't think I want a president who lies and cheats on his wife though, and i don't believe you
can separate representation, I do see your point, I would gladly take back clinton and his occasional blow job as it
seems the MRS. don't care and he at least knew how to run the economy....

Problems arise with bribery and what one might do to avoid the public finding out about something. Another issue arises when at time, the president has to be lecturer-in-chief. How can someone stand up and ask any group to do something when he has no solid ground to stand on.

In any case, the media is what it is and whether anyone likes it or not, this type of behavior will be a distraction and the last thing this country needs are distractions on things that have nothing to do with fixing the broken aspects of our system.

Now back to working and listing to Brother Where You Bound. Tremendous album!

S2M wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:I agree with S2M that everyone has skeletons in their closet. What would be really refreshing would be for one of these candidates to take those issues off the table by laying them out from the onset, or dealing with them honestly when they come up, instead of lying their asses off. Cain has (in my opinion) lied repeatedly just like the worst of them, while at the same time trying to liken himself to "Moses" to cater to the religious right. None of these guys deserves the office... but that's the choice we'll always get.

The problem is, within reason, the President isn't the moral representative of the nation....the President is like a CEO. If the CEO of my company ran the business right - I wouldn't care what he did in his personal life(within reason) e.g. breaking a law.

The problem arises when infidelity is reported - you lose the religious right. And that was a planned leak.

Could be a planned leak.

I can tell you why a man who cheats on his wife would not become a good President. Men who cheat on their wives are prolific liars. If a man would lie and cover up an affair, what else would he lie and cover up on? I will tell you as an ex wife of a major cheater, they lie about other things too, and they also have trouble seeing the lines between right and wrong. They have a tendency to try to justify their behavior. Even to this day my ex is mad at me because I had the audacity to leave him. He deems it my fault, not his own infidelities. They have a way of justifying their actions as not so bad.

My ex used to say how could you leave me over a mistake? That mistake was done over the entire 15 years of our marriage and with many women including prostitutes. On top of that he was mean and cruel to me on many occasions. Yeah why would I leave a prince like that.

I do think personal issues can and often do effect the job the person is doing. In Clinton's case, I'm sorry, but someone who cannot be faithful to their wife probably wasn't faithful to the office of the Presidency, either. There's lots of things he may have done behind the scenes, and likely so, that we don't even know about yet. It speaks to their character and that's something that doesn't just effect their personal life.

Rip Rokken wrote:I agree with S2M that everyone has skeletons in their closet. What would be really refreshing would be for one of these candidates to take those issues off the table by laying them out from the onset, or dealing with them honestly when they come up, instead of lying their asses off. Cain has (in my opinion) lied repeatedly just like the worst of them, while at the same time trying to liken himself to "Moses" to cater to the religious right. None of these guys deserves the office... but that's the choice we'll always get.

I'm kinda sick of hearing about the "religious right". If there's one thing I've noticed in recent years, it's the huge contingent on the left, the kind that the Democratic candidates are always campaigning with and catering to, that just don't get the press that the ones on the right do.

conversationpc wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:I agree with S2M that everyone has skeletons in their closet. What would be really refreshing would be for one of these candidates to take those issues off the table by laying them out from the onset, or dealing with them honestly when they come up, instead of lying their asses off. Cain has (in my opinion) lied repeatedly just like the worst of them, while at the same time trying to liken himself to "Moses" to cater to the religious right. None of these guys deserves the office... but that's the choice we'll always get.

I'm kinda sick of hearing about the "religious right". If there's one thing I've noticed in recent years, it's the huge contingent on the left, the kind that the Democratic candidates are always campaigning with and catering to, that just don't get the press that the ones on the right do.

Difference between the right and the left in a scandal- most on the right resign, most on the left deny and stay in office. Sometimes even if they are obviously guilty.

I don't get the idea of the ends justify the means. Wrong is wrong weather left or right. Concede to your mistakes and own up to them like a man. That is going to gain my respect much quicker than a spin to cover up.

Ehwmatt wrote:I just don't have any idea why anybody would run for office (let alone POTUS) knowing these things are in his background.

I liked Cain, but that about sums up my feelings. A little hanky panky here and there, ok, sure. But all these affairs? C'mon!

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:I just don't have any idea why anybody would run for office (let alone POTUS) knowing these things are in his background.

I liked Cain, but that about sums up my feelings. A little hanky panky here and there, ok, sure. But all these affairs? C'mon!

Nothing proven! The guy is not used to having his good name dragged though the mud and, frankly, I don't blame him. I'd take the high road too. We don't really know what's real or fabricated, but I'm sure, he didn't want his family to go though further scrutiny by the media. At some point he had to make a choice and I think he just decided that the stress that would be brought on, whether or not he was innocent, just wouldn't be worth it.

steveo777 wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:I just don't have any idea why anybody would run for office (let alone POTUS) knowing these things are in his background.

I liked Cain, but that about sums up my feelings. A little hanky panky here and there, ok, sure. But all these affairs? C'mon!

Nothing proven! The guy is not used to having his good name dragged though the mud and, frankly, I don't blame him. I'd take the high road too. We don't really know what's real or fabricated, but I'm sure, he didn't want his family to go though further scrutiny by the media. At some point he had to make a choice and I think he just decided that the stress that would be brought on, whether or not he was innocent, just wouldn't be worth it.

Money dries up, so the campaign ends. He saw the writing on the wall.