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About damn time. Good riddance!

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SEOUL, South Korea -- Kim Jong Il, North Korea's mercurial and enigmatic leader, has died. He was 69.

steveo777 wrote:About damn time. Good riddance!

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Not a good person at all.........Sad thing is dictators like this have sons..

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:About damn time. Good riddance!

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Not a good person at all.........Sad thing is dictators like this have sons..

One can only hope that his successor, a son, is not such an asshole. I hope the North Koreans are partying like rock stars tonight!

steveo777 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:About damn time. Good riddance!

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Not a good person at all.........Sad thing is dictators like this have sons..

One can only hope that his successor, a son, is not such an asshole. I hope the North Koreans are partying like rock stars tonight!

From what I understand his son is just like him........

His death raises the specter of political chaos in a nuclear-armed hermit country. In September 2010, Kim Jong Il unveiled his third son, Kim Jong Un, as his successor, putting him in high-ranking posts. But it is unclear whether the Swiss-educated, Jong Un, 27, has the skills to stay in power or keep the fragile country from collapse.

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:About damn time. Good riddance!

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Not a good person at all.........Sad thing is dictators like this have sons..

One can only hope that his successor, a son, is not such an asshole. I hope the North Koreans are partying like rock stars tonight!

From what I understand his son is just like him........

His death raises the specter of political chaos in a nuclear-armed hermit country. In September 2010, Kim Jong Il unveiled his third son, Kim Jong Un, as his successor, putting him in high-ranking posts. But it is unclear whether the Swiss-educated, Jong Un, 27, has the skills to stay in power or keep the fragile country from collapse.

If it collapses, the more civil and educated south Koreans will finally get a chance to merge the two, and hopefully, there will be only one Korea. They'll have their hands full for a few years.

steveo777 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:About damn time. Good riddance!

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Not a good person at all.........Sad thing is dictators like this have sons..

One can only hope that his successor, a son, is not such an asshole. I hope the North Koreans are partying like rock stars tonight!

From what I understand his son is just like him........

His death raises the specter of political chaos in a nuclear-armed hermit country. In September 2010, Kim Jong Il unveiled his third son, Kim Jong Un, as his successor, putting him in high-ranking posts. But it is unclear whether the Swiss-educated, Jong Un, 27, has the skills to stay in power or keep the fragile country from collapse.

If it collapses, the more civil and educated south Koreans will finally get a chance to merge the two, and hopefully, there will be only one Korea. They'll have their hands full for a few years.

I only hope his son is so weak that someone good takes over. Unfortunately their allies don't want anyone who is friendly with the West.

He was apparently worshipped and treated as a god. Guess he wasn't really.




A great article about this...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomch ... -catholic/

Kim Jong-il was a Lefty atheist in the same way that Hitler was a conservative Catholic

When the Sun of Mankind was born, in a humble log cabin on his nation's holiest mountain, a new bright star shone in the heavens, and a double rainbow appeared. The birds sang songs of praise in human voice. The Sun of Mankind's father, though his mortal body is dead, rules in eternity, and his spirit is reincarnated in the Sun of Mankind. The Sun of Mankind is also known as the Great Man Who Descended From Heaven.

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to atheist North Korea.

The Sun of Mankind, in case you're wondering, was the late Kim Jong-il, who died over the weekend following a heart attack. His father, the eternal leader who was reincarnated in his son, was Kim il Sung, who died in 1994 at the age of 82 but is still the official president. Christopher Hitchens, who sadly did not live to see Kim's death, thus described North Korea as the only "necrocracy" in the world.

Kim Jong-il, the Shining Star of Mount Paekdu, was not, of course, born in a log cabin on the mountain at all, but in exile in Siberia. (I am also unable to confirm the reports of talking birds and celestial miracles.) But the birth of a great Son to a great Father in humble-yet-holy circumstances, accompanied by heavenly signs, is very familiar, as is death and reincarnation. Mithras, a pagan sun-god, was apparently born of a virgin to great miracles, and died and was reincarnated. That story has many obvious parallels to that of Jesus Christ. In Greek mythology, Dionysius, the son of the great god Zeus, was killed and resurrected.

Whatever you can call the Kim Jong-il premiership, and the whole sad, sorry North Korean experience since the Second World War, it is not an atheist dictatorship. A better parallel would be a theocracy. Hitchens reported, in a heartrending account of his time in the failed state, that $2.68 billion (£1.7 billion) was spent on memorial events and constructions in the wake of Kim il Sung's death 17 years ago. It's a modern-day Pharoanic kingdom, with similar Sun-God mythology: Kim il Sung and Kim Jong-il were worshipped (see the video above to see what I mean). Sticking with Hitchens, he says that the closest parallel is to the Confucian ancestor-worship which had held sway in Korean society for generations before the rise of Maoism.

(On the subject of worship: there's a tragicomic quality to some of Kim's "miracles". We are told that he could control the weather; that he had no need to use toilets, since he never defecated; he invented hamburgers, which probably counts as a miracle since they existed before he was born; and, my own personal favourite, on his first-ever round of golf, he shot 38 under par, including 11 holes in one. It's his restraint, almost a modesty, in not claiming to have got a perfect score of 18, which I find oddly touching. See the Huffington Post for more.)

None of this is intended to mean that religious societies are all going to be like North Korea, or that religion implies dictatorship, or that all atheists are lovely people. But to suggest that North Korea is what happens when atheism holds sway in a country is equally ridiculous. Saying Kim Jong-il was a Lefty atheist is like saying that Hitler was a conservative Catholic, and we all know that that is very silly indeed.

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

steveo777 wrote:About damn time. Good riddance!

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Not a good person at all.........Sad thing is dictators like this have sons..

One can only hope that his successor, a son, is not such an asshole. I hope the North Koreans are partying like rock stars tonight!

From what I understand his son is just like him........

His death raises the specter of political chaos in a nuclear-armed hermit country. In September 2010, Kim Jong Il unveiled his third son, Kim Jong Un, as his successor, putting him in high-ranking posts. But it is unclear whether the Swiss-educated, Jong Un, 27, has the skills to stay in power or keep the fragile country from collapse.

If it collapses, the more civil and educated south Koreans will finally get a chance to merge the two, and hopefully, there will be only one Korea. They'll have their hands full for a few years.

I only hope his son is so weak that someone good takes over. Unfortunately their allies don't want anyone who is friendly with the West.

His brother is the de facto leader. What allies are you talking about? North Korea has very, if any.

steveo777 wrote:I hope the North Koreans are partying like rock stars tonight!

...wanna bet..?

The country of 24 million, has NO Internet, mobile phones, satellite TV, short-wave radio or foreign newspapers/magazines. ZERO communication with the outside world.

And now their god-like leader has passed..?

I've seen some people suggest, they should party & dance to rock music - HOW EXACTLY does that happen with people who DO NOT have rock music, or even understand the state that they are in..?!?

It's just SAD.

Plain & simple.


John -

The people in North Korea are weeping right now...because they don't know anything but what life is like now...Korean culture and North Korean culture in particular is steeped in reverence of the leader and elevation of the same to the level of godhood.

Hence the titles of "Dear Leader" and such...they starve, yet they still revere the scumbag and his dad...and they will fawn all over his son as well.

Edited to add this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12 ... _ref=false