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GUNS N' ROSES ROCK HALL UPDATE, ORIGINAL DRUMMER ADLER SHARES FEELINGS

http://youtu.be/rfuKdmJ50ls

Green Day will induct Guns N' Roses into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, but original drummer Steven Adler talked about the probability of Axl Rose showing up and how he thinks the current line-up is a bunch of scabs, not hacks.


What a mess

It's official, Axl won't be attending the RRHOF.

SERE wrote:It's official, Axl won't be attending the RRHOF.

Typical Axhole. I wouldn't have a problem with not attending the event, but he does this stuff just to be a dick, not to make any real statement.

Adler pretty much sealed it when he started baggin on Axl's band.

AXL ROSE's letter to The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N Roses Fans and To Whom It May Concern...

4/11/2012


Axl Rose has released a letter to The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, Fans Of Guns N Roses and pretty much anyone else...he makes it pretty clear how he feels about the situation below:



To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,
Axl Rose



P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III

Axl didn't write that. This was written by a representative. Axl doesn't posses that kind of class. He's still an asshole. Fuck him!

It sounds like the Hall has a say in which members of a band are actually inducted. I can only assume this is done to keep bands with heavy turnover from just inviting everyone, past and present to be inducted. Maybe that's why Santana had only six guys actually inducted in spite of having over five dozen former band members.

Don wrote:It sounds like the Hall has a say in which members of a band are actually inducted. I can only assume this is done to keep bands with heavy turnover from just inviting everyone, past and present to be inducted. Maybe that's why Santana had only six guys actually inducted in spite of having over five dozen former band members.

Axl is an original member and he is acting butt hurt. This proves that if the Rock Hall had any integrity, Journey could be in too, no matter how many musicians and singers they have employed. Shit, I hear an echo in here, but seriously, this organization has no credibilty, so why do we even bother paying attention?

steveo777 wrote:Axl didn't write that. This was written by a representative. Axl doesn't posses that kind of class. He's still an asshole. Fuck him!

Axl has managed to become more of a joke than the R&R HOF itself. You know he had lots of help from his attorneys writing that one. GNR is now the most over rated band ever to be inducted in that shit hole.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It sounds like the Hall has a say in which members of a band are actually inducted. I can only assume this is done to keep bands with heavy turnover from just inviting everyone, past and present to be inducted. Maybe that's why Santana had only six guys actually inducted in spite of having over five dozen former band members.

Axl is an original member and he is acting butt hurt. This proves that if the Rock Hall had any integrity, Journey could be in too, no matter how many musicians and singers they have employed. Shit, I hear an echo in here, but seriously, this organization has no credibilty, so why do we even bother paying attention?

Tell that to Journey. They were the ones with the "Petition us into the ROR HOF" link on their website at one point. A lot of bands feign like they don't care but if the call comes, you can be damn sure that they'll be there.

steveo777 wrote:Axl didn't write that. This was written by a representative. Axl doesn't posses that kind of class. He's still an asshole. Fuck him!

Actually, it really does sound like many of the faux-professional, long-winded, self-righteous, statements I've seen him release. Contains the same basic formula basically playing the victim, blaming everyone else, while trying to act like he gives one damn about his fans. I think he did write it - a representative wouldn't go into all the passive-aggressive stuff he includes there.

The fact that this tremendously overrated sack of shit band is getting in in the first place is beyond me.

I will be attending the ceremony/concert, and I was looking forward to hearing them potentially gun out their overplayed hits. Axl is nothing but a selfish prick, but we all knew that. Don't get me wrong about how I refer to G'n'R; I respect what they did and I respect Slash as a guitarist. But no band with such a limited body of work and lack of a reputation as a killer live band should be getting inducted to the Hall.

From a purely empirical standpoint, G'n'R might be the worst inductee ever. Obviously, I enjoy G'n'R on the merits of their music more than I do the rappers that have been inducted, but at least the rappers (to my knowledge/recollection) had longevity, influence, and a longer legacy in their genre.

Ehwmatt wrote:The fact that this tremendously overrated sack of shit band is getting in in the first place is beyond me.

I will be attending the ceremony/concert, and I was looking forward to hearing them potentially gun out their overplayed hits. Axl is nothing but a selfish prick, but we all knew that. Don't get me wrong about how I refer to G'n'R; I respect what they did and I respect Slash as a guitarist. But no band with such a limited body of work and lack of a reputation as a killer live band should be getting inducted to the Hall.

From a purely empirical standpoint, G'n'R might be the worst inductee ever. Obviously, I enjoy G'n'R on the merits of their music more than I do the rappers that have been inducted, but at least the rappers (to my knowledge/recollection) had longevity, influence, and a longer legacy in their genre.

While that may be true... Rap ain't Rock...

It's called the "Rock ~N~Roll" Hall of Fame for a reason

slucero wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:The fact that this tremendously overrated sack of shit band is getting in in the first place is beyond me.

I will be attending the ceremony/concert, and I was looking forward to hearing them potentially gun out their overplayed hits. Axl is nothing but a selfish prick, but we all knew that. Don't get me wrong about how I refer to G'n'R; I respect what they did and I respect Slash as a guitarist. But no band with such a limited body of work and lack of a reputation as a killer live band should be getting inducted to the Hall.

From a purely empirical standpoint, G'n'R might be the worst inductee ever. Obviously, I enjoy G'n'R on the merits of their music more than I do the rappers that have been inducted, but at least the rappers (to my knowledge/recollection) had longevity, influence, and a longer legacy in their genre.

While that may be true... Rap ain't Rock...

It's called the "Rock ~N~Roll" Hall of Fame for a reason

I won't argue that point with you. I despise rap and despite its presence in the "Rock Hall" even more. But that doesn't change the fact that G'n'R is a garbage inductee even without this drama.

Ehwmatt wrote:

slucero wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:The fact that this tremendously overrated sack of shit band is getting in in the first place is beyond me.

I will be attending the ceremony/concert, and I was looking forward to hearing them potentially gun out their overplayed hits. Axl is nothing but a selfish prick, but we all knew that. Don't get me wrong about how I refer to G'n'R; I respect what they did and I respect Slash as a guitarist. But no band with such a limited body of work and lack of a reputation as a killer live band should be getting inducted to the Hall.

From a purely empirical standpoint, G'n'R might be the worst inductee ever. Obviously, I enjoy G'n'R on the merits of their music more than I do the rappers that have been inducted, but at least the rappers (to my knowledge/recollection) had longevity, influence, and a longer legacy in their genre.

While that may be true... Rap ain't Rock...

It's called the "Rock ~N~Roll" Hall of Fame for a reason

I won't argue that point with you. I despise rap and despite its presence in the "Rock Hall" even more. But that doesn't change the fact that G'n'R is a garbage inductee even without this drama.

Yup... agreed...

I think it speaks volumes about what the Hall really has become, especially under Jann Wenner's thumb...

Why don't they have a Rap Hall of Fame? Shouldn't they give the lower echelon of society it's own space?

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/dee-snid ... crewed-up/

Twisted Sister lead singer Dee Snider had some harsh words for Axl Rose. Earlier in the day, the Guns N’ Roses lead singer published an open letter to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame saying that not only would he not attend this Saturday’s ceremony, but he also declined the induction.

Snider was hosting the “black carpet” segment of Revolver Magazine’s Golden Gods awards show in Los Angeles tonight (April 11). Speaking to Slash, he called Axl’s decision “crap,” and insisted that the band should come together for such an important event. “It’s totally screwed up,” Snider continued.

Former Guns N’ Roses drummer Steven Adler was up next, and Snider told him that he was “disgusted to hear about your old friend” and that “anyone who goes to see ‘Rose N’ Roses’ is a traitor.” Zing!

Both Slash and Adler refused to respond to Snider’s comments. Adler also joked with the other members of his party about the need to stay quiet, as well. Then again, both men have spoken plenty on the subject recently.

Rip Rokken wrote:

SERE wrote:It's official, Axl won't be attending the RRHOF.

just to be a dick

entitled, narcissistic dick ...

DrFU wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

SERE wrote:It's official, Axl won't be attending the RRHOF.

just to be a dick

entitled, narcissistic dick ...

Maybe Cobain's bullet missed and hit the wrong person.

steveo777 wrote:

DrFU wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

SERE wrote:It's official, Axl won't be attending the RRHOF.

just to be a dick

entitled, narcissistic dick ...

Maybe Cobain's bullet missed and hit the wrong person.

It should have hit Courtney Love instead

steveo777 wrote:Why don't they have a Rap Hall of Fame? Shouldn't they give the lower echelon of society it's own space?

They already do, but their architecture isn't quite the iconoclastic feat that the Rock Hall's is:

Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012

http://youtu.be/Jp6vny8wngg

Slash, Duff McKagan, Steven Adler and Gilby Clarke perform "Sweet Child O' Mine" with Myles Kennedy on vocals.

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Guns N' Roses - Paradise City (4/14/12)

http://youtu.be/BJv4vb_BoNE

Guns N Roses - Acceptance Speech, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012

http://youtu.be/vqCCGVEw9Js

Duff, Steven, Slash and Matt's acceptance speeches at the Hall of Fame.

Am I the only one that's ok with what Axl (or his publicist) wrote?

We've been bitching about the RRHOF for fucking years. The legitimacy of the organization is practically nil, considering the inductees over the past few years. Madonna anyone? seriously...


Finally, someone goes "thanks, but fuck you" ... and we're all dumping on him?!?!?!?

Pick a fucking side people!!!!

strangegrey wrote:Am I the only one that's ok with what Axl (or his publicist) wrote?

We've been bitching about the RRHOF for fucking years. The legitimacy of the organization is practically nil, considering the inductees over the past few years. Madonna anyone? seriously...


Finally, someone goes "thanks, but fuck you" ... and we're all dumping on him?!?!?!?

Pick a fucking side people!!!!

Nah.. I'm OK with it to... even though it was massaged by his legal team... it was clear and concise...


Adler's comments the day before pretty much sealed it...

strangegrey wrote:Am I the only one that's ok with what Axl (or his publicist) wrote?

We've been bitching about the RRHOF for fucking years. The legitimacy of the organization is practically nil, considering the inductees over the past few years. Madonna anyone? seriously...


Finally, someone goes "thanks, but fuck you" ... and we're all dumping on him?!?!?!?

Pick a fucking side people!!!!

Frank, he wasn't taking a stand against the Rock Hall. The closest thing to it was his line about how they induct anyone who was in the band for "5 minutes." On the surface it might look like an indictment against the Rock Hall, but it was really just a passive aggressive jab at some of his ex-bandmates that he has a problem with. He was airing his petty schoolboy grievances with his ex-bandmates in the most juvenile way possible, not engaging in some heroic act of civil disobedience.

If an inductee took a stand by publishing a letter decrying the Rock Hall's legitimacy by highlighting the weaknesses of the induction classes, pointing out who should be in with coherent justifications for them, and then declining to attend, I'd be all for it. That's not what Axl did here. He just acted like a first-class asshole, which is what he's done his whole career.

Kudos to the G'n'R guys for handling their induction speeches with class.

I have never been a fan of that band and don't own any of their CD's. Slash is a good guitarist though.

Ehwmatt wrote:

strangegrey wrote:Am I the only one that's ok with what Axl (or his publicist) wrote?

We've been bitching about the RRHOF for fucking years. The legitimacy of the organization is practically nil, considering the inductees over the past few years. Madonna anyone? seriously...


Finally, someone goes "thanks, but fuck you" ... and we're all dumping on him?!?!?!?

Pick a fucking side people!!!!

Frank, he wasn't taking a stand against the Rock Hall. The closest thing to it was his line about how they induct anyone who was in the band for "5 minutes." On the surface it might look like an indictment against the Rock Hall, but it was really just a passive aggressive jab at some of his ex-bandmates that he has a problem with. He was airing his petty schoolboy grievances with his ex-bandmates in the most juvenile way possible, not engaging in some heroic act of civil disobedience.

If an inductee took a stand by publishing a letter decrying the Rock Hall's legitimacy by highlighting the weaknesses of the induction classes, pointing out who should be in with coherent justifications for them, and then declining to attend, I'd be all for it. That's not what Axl did here. He just acted like a first-class asshole, which is what he's done his whole career.

Kudos to the G'n'R guys for handling their induction speeches with class.

Remember John Lydon's letter? His was all about the HOF , not his bandmates.

"Next to the SEX-PISTOLS rock and roll and that hall of fame is a piss stain. Your museum. Urine in wine. Were not coming. Were not your monkey and so what? Fame at $25,000 if we paid for a table, or $15000 to squeak up in the gallery, goes to a non-profit organisation selling us a load of old famous. Congradulations. If you voted for us, hope you noted your reasons. Your anonymous as judges, but your still music industry people. Were not coming. Your not paying attention. Outside the shit-stem is a real SEX PISTOL"

Don wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

strangegrey wrote:Am I the only one that's ok with what Axl (or his publicist) wrote?

We've been bitching about the RRHOF for fucking years. The legitimacy of the organization is practically nil, considering the inductees over the past few years. Madonna anyone? seriously...


Finally, someone goes "thanks, but fuck you" ... and we're all dumping on him?!?!?!?

Pick a fucking side people!!!!

Frank, he wasn't taking a stand against the Rock Hall. The closest thing to it was his line about how they induct anyone who was in the band for "5 minutes." On the surface it might look like an indictment against the Rock Hall, but it was really just a passive aggressive jab at some of his ex-bandmates that he has a problem with. He was airing his petty schoolboy grievances with his ex-bandmates in the most juvenile way possible, not engaging in some heroic act of civil disobedience.

If an inductee took a stand by publishing a letter decrying the Rock Hall's legitimacy by highlighting the weaknesses of the induction classes, pointing out who should be in with coherent justifications for them, and then declining to attend, I'd be all for it. That's not what Axl did here. He just acted like a first-class asshole, which is what he's done his whole career.

Kudos to the G'n'R guys for handling their induction speeches with class.

Remember John Lydon's letter? His was all about the HOF , not his bandmates.

"Next to the SEX-PISTOLS rock and roll and that hall of fame is a piss stain. Your museum. Urine in wine. Were not coming. Were not your monkey and so what? Fame at $25,000 if we paid for a table, or $15000 to squeak up in the gallery, goes to a non-profit organisation selling us a load of old famous. Congradulations. If you voted for us, hope you noted your reasons. Your anonymous as judges, but your still music industry people. Were not coming. Your not paying attention. Outside the shit-stem is a real SEX PISTOL"

Lol, I missed this one. Has anyone investigated to see if Lydon has ties to Jack the Ripper? lol.

Ehwmatt wrote:The fact that this tremendously overrated sack of shit band is getting in in the first place is beyond me. I will be attending the ceremony/concert, and I was looking forward to hearing them potentially gun out their overplayed hits. Axl is nothing but a selfish prick, but we all knew that. Don't get me wrong about how I refer to G'n'R; I respect what they did and I respect Slash as a guitarist. But no band with such a limited body of work and lack of a reputation as a killer live band should be getting inducted to the Hall.

From a purely empirical standpoint, G'n'R might be the worst inductee ever. Obviously, I enjoy G'n'R on the merits of their music more than I do the rappers that have been inducted, but at least the rappers (to my knowledge/recollection) had longevity, influence, and a longer legacy in their genre.

To me Axl's voice sounds like somone stuck a cat's tail in a meat grinder. I'll never forgive them for what he did to "Knocking on Heaven's Door".