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Okay, so that's probably not what's happening here but Jesus H. Christ..... the next generation of musicians - and I mean really good musicians, just keeps getting younger and younger! This kid is 10 years old and he's on stage with Ozzy playing the lead guitar licks on Crazy Train! I swear to God the Flying V he's playing is taller than he is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1lG1y0R ... re=related

Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

Yeah, the lead guitar that we are hearing in that vid is not that little kid's playing alone. But I'm sure he was excited as hell to be up there doing that with the band and that's probably what the intention of it was meant for.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah, the lead guitar that we are hearing in that vid is not that little kid's playing alone. But I'm sure he was excited as hell to be up there doing that with the band and that's probably what the intention of it was meant for.

Well duh, but the kid knows how to shred and his solo shows that . Yes he isnt playing an original song, but he know how to play the guitar.
He is a great musician as far as mastering his instrument. The part Don is bringing up is about how great of COMPOSER he would be, which
time will tell. But the kid is an amazing guitar player.

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius. Parrots and monkeys can mimic also but we don't necessarily laud them for the ability.
Once the kid writes some amazing riffs of his own, then we can talk.

Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy maybe too strong a word.

Okay, okay..... you're right about that. In this particular case, the kid is indeed a prodigy and he's in the Guinness Book for his accolades and abilities, but I was definitely generalizing about the talents of the kids today. Absolutely, it's one thing to copy/mimic someone's act and become really, really, good at it which is what we see a lot of these days on YT. However, there's also no shortage of uber-talented kids who have taken their talents and abilities to heights that are usually reserved for musicians who have spent a lifetime dedicated to their craft and have, over an entire career developed their signature sound/style that's uniquely theirs and theirs alone. Not anymore..... it's like there's this new breed of kids who are mastering an instrument in a few short years.
Now, I obviously mellow-dramatically over stated the above comparison to drive home my point. When we were kids, I don't remember an overrun of highly talented kids making the news every other week with their incredible feats. Then again, we didn't have YT or the Internet so it's possible they were out there, we just didn't know it until they showed up on Merv Griffin or Johnny Carson or the like.

Okay, I get it now..... see what you did there, Don? You let me walk myself through and find the answer.

Behshad wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah, the lead guitar that we are hearing in that vid is not that little kid's playing alone. But I'm sure he was excited as hell to be up there doing that with the band and that's probably what the intention of it was meant for.

Well duh, but the kid knows how to shred and his solo shows that . Yes he isnt playing an original song, but he know how to play the guitar.
He is a great musician as far as mastering his instrument. The part Don is bringing up is about how great of COMPOSER he would be, which
time will tell. But the kid is an amazing guitar player.

Thanks Behshad for confirming this for me as I wouldn't have known WTF without your help. Thanks!

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Behshad wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah, the lead guitar that we are hearing in that vid is not that little kid's playing alone. But I'm sure he was excited as hell to be up there doing that with the band and that's probably what the intention of it was meant for.

Well duh, but the kid knows how to shred and his solo shows that . Yes he isnt playing an original song, but he know how to play the guitar.
He is a great musician as far as mastering his instrument. The part Don is bringing up is about how great of COMPOSER he would be, which
time will tell. But the kid is an amazing guitar player.

Thanks Behshad for confirming this for me as I wouldn't have known WTF without your help. Thanks!

Youre welcome.

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

One doesn't need to be innovative to be a prodigy. I'm not a musician, but I expect that this is how most of them get their start: honing their skills by imitating previously established musicians and playing their works. Schon was, by all reckoning, a child prodigy and I doubt he was firing off licks to Journey songs at age 11.

Gideon wrote:

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

One doesn't need to be innovative to be a prodigy. I'm not a musician, but I expect that this is how most of them get their start: honing their skills by imitating previously established musicians and playing their works. Schon was, by all reckoning, a child prodigy and I doubt he was firing off licks to Journey songs at age 11.

Generally, when someone is referred to as a "prodigy" or protege, the individual is almost always classically trained and has followed the disciplines associated with the art/craft. What makes a true protege so unique is that they not only started at a very young age, but they began to master their instrument almost immediately and are concertos almost overnight. Yo-Yo Ma, Freddie Mercury (Yup, classically trained and played many times with the London Phil.) Ingwe Malmstein were all child proteges.

Neal wouldn't fit the mold here since he couldn't read music when he started in the music biz. His words, not mine.

JRNYMAN wrote:

Gideon wrote:

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

One doesn't need to be innovative to be a prodigy. I'm not a musician, but I expect that this is how most of them get their start: honing their skills by imitating previously established musicians and playing their works. Schon was, by all reckoning, a child prodigy and I doubt he was firing off licks to Journey songs at age 11.

Generally, when someone is referred to as a "prodigy" or protege, the individual is almost always classically trained and has followed the disciplines associated with the art/craft. What makes a true protege so unique is that they not only started at a very young age, but they began to master their instrument almost immediately and are concertos almost overnight. Yo-Yo Ma, Freddie Mercury (Yup, classically trained and played many times with the London Phil.) Ingwe Malmstein were all child proteges.

Neal wouldn't fit the mold here since he couldn't read music when he started in the music biz. His words, not mine.

A prodigy and protégé are two different terms with two different meanings. A prodigy is defined as an exceptionally talented youth whereas a protégé is someone who is learning a trade or craft from a more experienced teacher. Schon arguably qualifies for both, given his quick mastery of the instrument and then his later collaboration with Santana.

Gideon wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:

Gideon wrote:

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

One doesn't need to be innovative to be a prodigy. I'm not a musician, but I expect that this is how most of them get their start: honing their skills by imitating previously established musicians and playing their works. Schon was, by all reckoning, a child prodigy and I doubt he was firing off licks to Journey songs at age 11.

Generally, when someone is referred to as a "prodigy" or protege, the individual is almost always classically trained and has followed the disciplines associated with the art/craft. What makes a true protege so unique is that they not only started at a very young age, but they began to master their instrument almost immediately and are concertos almost overnight. Yo-Yo Ma, Freddie Mercury (Yup, classically trained and played many times with the London Phil.) Ingwe Malmstein were all child proteges.

Neal wouldn't fit the mold here since he couldn't read music when he started in the music biz. His words, not mine.

A prodigy and protégé are two different terms with two different meanings. A prodigy is defined as an exceptionally talented youth whereas a protégé is someone who is learning a trade or craft from a more experienced teacher. Schon arguably qualifies for both, given his quick mastery of the instrument and then his later collaboration with Santana.

Okay, cool. I've always used the two terms interchangeably due to ignorance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
And to take it one further, Prodigy was an ISP back in the late 90's and Protege is a car made by Mazda. zoom zoom

JRNYMAN wrote:

Gideon wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:

Gideon wrote:

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

One doesn't need to be innovative to be a prodigy. I'm not a musician, but I expect that this is how most of them get their start: honing their skills by imitating previously established musicians and playing their works. Schon was, by all reckoning, a child prodigy and I doubt he was firing off licks to Journey songs at age 11.

Generally, when someone is referred to as a "prodigy" or protege, the individual is almost always classically trained and has followed the disciplines associated with the art/craft. What makes a true protege so unique is that they not only started at a very young age, but they began to master their instrument almost immediately and are concertos almost overnight. Yo-Yo Ma, Freddie Mercury (Yup, classically trained and played many times with the London Phil.) Ingwe Malmstein were all child proteges.

Neal wouldn't fit the mold here since he couldn't read music when he started in the music biz. His words, not mine.

A prodigy and protégé are two different terms with two different meanings. A prodigy is defined as an exceptionally talented youth whereas a protégé is someone who is learning a trade or craft from a more experienced teacher. Schon arguably qualifies for both, given his quick mastery of the instrument and then his later collaboration with Santana.

Okay, cool. I've always used the two terms interchangeably due to ignorance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
And to take it one further, Prodigy was an ISP back in the late 90's and Protege is a car made by Mazda. zoom zoom

Gideon wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:

Gideon wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:

Gideon wrote:

Don wrote:Most of these videos are of kids imitating/copying work done by another musician. Not sure if we should equate the ability to replicate someone else's musicianship,vocals, etc (see Arnel Pineda) with being a prodigy/genius.
Not that the kid isn't talented but prodigy may be too strong a word.

One doesn't need to be innovative to be a prodigy. I'm not a musician, but I expect that this is how most of them get their start: honing their skills by imitating previously established musicians and playing their works. Schon was, by all reckoning, a child prodigy and I doubt he was firing off licks to Journey songs at age 11.

Generally, when someone is referred to as a "prodigy" or protege, the individual is almost always classically trained and has followed the disciplines associated with the art/craft. What makes a true protege so unique is that they not only started at a very young age, but they began to master their instrument almost immediately and are concertos almost overnight. Yo-Yo Ma, Freddie Mercury (Yup, classically trained and played many times with the London Phil.) Ingwe Malmstein were all child proteges.

Neal wouldn't fit the mold here since he couldn't read music when he started in the music biz. His words, not mine.

A prodigy and protégé are two different terms with two different meanings. A prodigy is defined as an exceptionally talented youth whereas a protégé is someone who is learning a trade or craft from a more experienced teacher. Schon arguably qualifies for both, given his quick mastery of the instrument and then his later collaboration with Santana.

Okay, cool. I've always used the two terms interchangeably due to ignorance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
And to take it one further, Prodigy was an ISP back in the late 90's and Protege is a car made by Mazda. zoom zoom

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