MR

I always knew the city was a shithole, but this takes it to a whole new level. What a shame for a major American city.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/ ... -visitors/

Very sad. apparently 4 years of Obama have not been kind to Detroit!

Hate to see that.. When I moved & lived there 77-81 ...Detroit was still growing, coming
back from the race riots of 68 ..when a lot of the city was set on fire. A lot of the buildings
down on Michigan Ave were still boarded up but coming back slowly.
The Ren Cen had opened up in 77, the riverfront was starting to take shape.
They had all the ethnic festivals at the square there by the ren cen...
Had the river boat races, 4th of July barge fireworks shows...
All the concerts at Joe Louis Arena & next door - Cobo Hall
with the Auto Shows each January.
Ppl from the suburbs were starting to move back downtown.

But after being there last year for a brief visit to Greektown & the casinos..
I won't go again ..

Time to call robocop

[quote="Everett"]Time to call robocop[/quot

LOL, it's coming to fruition.

RPM wrote:Very sad. apparently 4 years of Obama have not been kind to Detroit!

I've been reading about Detroit failing for a decade now. Even as an Aussie! The industries shoul dhave been propped up there long before now.

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:Chicago is starting to become like Detroit, it's starting to be that I won't go anywhere downtown unless I know the area well

I LOVE Chicago....I'd live out in the burbs if I could.

I read a lot of bad shit about the city - but is it all still contained to the South Side of the city and the poor areas around Midway? The burbs seem to remain as safe as ever...I love the look of Oswego for instance.

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:Chicago is starting to become like Detroit, it's starting to be that I won't go anywhere downtown unless I know the area well

Come up to mil-town (that's what the kids call it). I'll keep ya safe

Andrew wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:Chicago is starting to become like Detroit, it's starting to be that I won't go anywhere downtown unless I know the area well

I LOVE Chicago....I'd live out in the burbs if I could.

I read a lot of bad shit about the city - but is it all still contained to the South Side of the city and the poor areas around Midway? The burbs seem to remain as safe as ever...I love the look of Oswego for instance.

West side and around the southside the closer you get to the city

Everett wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:Chicago is starting to become like Detroit, it's starting to be that I won't go anywhere downtown unless I know the area well

Come up to mil-town (that's what the kids call it). I'll keep ya safe

lmao

One of the good things left in Detroit.. Any keyboardist want to or know how to play it?
Wurlitzer theater organ in its original 1928 installation















One of the many speakers...

I'm curious as to how bad it has to get before the mayor and/or governor can declare a state of emergency and thereby request federal assistance via either:
A. Marshall Law
B. National Guard.
It would seem to me that the direct relationship between the shrinking police force and the staggering rise in crime - more specifically violent crime, would have gotten the attention of federal authorities prompting them to be proactive and hopefully avoid what is most assuredly going to happen if the current trend continues: complete and literal anarchy with criminals declaring open season on police officers and judges. With "hundreds of officers quitting since the beginning of summer..." I can only imagine how scared and anxious the remaining officers must feel.
Unfortunately, I believe the situation is going to continue to worsen as the police force shrinks and the criminals become more brazen which will sadly equate to the deaths of both police officers and criminals alike. God bless those officers who have opted to stay and serve.

JRNYMAN wrote:I'm curious as to how bad it has to get before the mayor and/or governor can declare a state of emergency and thereby request federal assistance via either:
A. Marshall Law
B. National Guard.
It would seem to me that the direct relationship between the shrinking police force and the staggering rise in crime - more specifically violent crime, would have gotten the attention of federal authorities prompting them to be proactive and hopefully avoid what is most assuredly going to happen if the current trend continues: complete and literal anarchy with criminals declaring open season on police officers and judges. With "hundreds of officers quitting since the beginning of summer..." I can only imagine how scared and anxious the remaining officers must feel.
Unfortunately, I believe the situation is going to continue to worsen as the police force shrinks and the criminals become more brazen which will sadly equate to the deaths of both police officers and criminals alike. God bless those officers who have opted to stay and serve.

Dealing with this would be the realm of the governors...

The states governors don't need federal help to activate the Guard.. as they report to the states respective governors. When the POTUS call up the Guard to military duty, that act is effectively "federalizing" the Guard.. and is done so with the permission of the governors of each units respective state. There would be a problem domestically deploying active Army, Air Force or Guard that have been "federalized" in the U.S.... as the he Posse Comitatus Act prohibits it. The Navy and Marine Corps are already prohibited from domestic deployment by a Department of Defense directive.



Regarding violent crime... the FBI's own annual statistics indicate violent crime has fallen, year over year, since 2006...


CBS news artivle: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20108263.html

FBI Annual Crime Report for 2010: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010

Table from that report showing the trend:





Preliminary data for the 2011 report, the trend is still downward.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-dec-2011

Slucero, I don't see Detroit in your example. All indications are that this place is going Mad Max. Ever seen the movie?

My belief is that this place is going to die off, therefore, any investment in real estate there, whether it be for long or short term is a calculated loss. Ford Motor Company, headquartered nearby, is probably one of the wealthiest companies within radius. I doubt, even they, will remain there much longer. Should they pull the plug, that place is going to be barren waste land. What does that leave.....pimps, ho's and drug trade? Not sustainable. The rest of em will just kill each other off, as there won't be any incentive to do much else. The city needs to attract high tech manufacturing companies with corporate tax incentives to come there and create jobs. I don't see that happening either, as the city already has a bad reputation as a slum. What else is there for this place, if it can no longer foster industry?

I actually considered going in and buying up some older neighborhoods, full city blocks, all the foreclosures within, then fixing them up. I was going to turn them all into subsidized housing districts, but then I figured my investments would just be destroyed by the thugs within and that my properties would be in a constant state of disrepair or disaster, not to mention that several insurance companies wouldn't touch this idea with a 10 foot pole. I thought a nice 1800 sq ft house would be worth at least $25,000 in a stealer's market. Nope....worth about $2500!!!

slucero wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:I'm curious as to how bad it has to get before the mayor and/or governor can declare a state of emergency and thereby request federal assistance via either:
A. Marshall Law
B. National Guard.
It would seem to me that the direct relationship between the shrinking police force and the staggering rise in crime - more specifically violent crime, would have gotten the attention of federal authorities prompting them to be proactive and hopefully avoid what is most assuredly going to happen if the current trend continues: complete and literal anarchy with criminals declaring open season on police officers and judges. With "hundreds of officers quitting since the beginning of summer..." I can only imagine how scared and anxious the remaining officers must feel.
Unfortunately, I believe the situation is going to continue to worsen as the police force shrinks and the criminals become more brazen which will sadly equate to the deaths of both police officers and criminals alike. God bless those officers who have opted to stay and serve.

Dealing with this would be the realm of the governors...

The states governors don't need federal help to activate the Guard.. as they report to the states respective governors. When the POTUS call up the Guard to military duty, that act is effectively "federalizing" the Guard.. and is done so with the permission of the governors of each units respective state. There would be a problem domestically deploying active Army, Air Force or Guard that have been "federalized" in the U.S.... as the he Posse Comitatus Act prohibits it. The Navy and Marine Corps are already prohibited from domestic deployment by a Department of Defense directive.



Regarding violent crime... the FBI's own annual statistics indicate violent crime has fallen, year over year, since 2006...


CBS news artivle: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20108263.html

FBI Annual Crime Report for 2010: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010

Table from that report showing the trend:





Preliminary data for the 2011 report, the trend is still downward.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-dec-2011

Thanks for the clarification and the education on the deployment of armed forces et al, here in the states.
So then to generalize the point I was making and not to specify anyone individual as being the one to activate the Guard...
I wonder what it will take before the National Guard is called up to restore order and protect the lives and property of the innocent caught in the literal crossfire.

Regarding the articles and studies you provided regarding the decrease in crime and violent crime...
That may very well be true across the board but, Detroit is the exception as evidenced by the stories and news reports that continue to come out of that city day after day, year after year.

Not being a smartass Slucie but I have to ask...
Was the point of your post to debunk everything I stated in mine? Is your argument that the armed forces can't be deployed and utilized due to policies and orders in place and also that, according to studies and articles that have been published which contradict the reports of dramatically increased crime statistics, the reports coming out of Detroit are incorrect?
Not sure what your point is...

JRNYMAN wrote:

slucero wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:I'm curious as to how bad it has to get before the mayor and/or governor can declare a state of emergency and thereby request federal assistance via either:
A. Marshall Law
B. National Guard.
It would seem to me that the direct relationship between the shrinking police force and the staggering rise in crime - more specifically violent crime, would have gotten the attention of federal authorities prompting them to be proactive and hopefully avoid what is most assuredly going to happen if the current trend continues: complete and literal anarchy with criminals declaring open season on police officers and judges. With "hundreds of officers quitting since the beginning of summer..." I can only imagine how scared and anxious the remaining officers must feel.
Unfortunately, I believe the situation is going to continue to worsen as the police force shrinks and the criminals become more brazen which will sadly equate to the deaths of both police officers and criminals alike. God bless those officers who have opted to stay and serve.

Dealing with this would be the realm of the governors...

The states governors don't need federal help to activate the Guard.. as they report to the states respective governors. When the POTUS call up the Guard to military duty, that act is effectively "federalizing" the Guard.. and is done so with the permission of the governors of each units respective state. There would be a problem domestically deploying active Army, Air Force or Guard that have been "federalized" in the U.S.... as the he Posse Comitatus Act prohibits it. The Navy and Marine Corps are already prohibited from domestic deployment by a Department of Defense directive.



Regarding violent crime... the FBI's own annual statistics indicate violent crime has fallen, year over year, since 2006...


CBS news artivle: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20108263.html

FBI Annual Crime Report for 2010: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010

Table from that report showing the trend:





Preliminary data for the 2011 report, the trend is still downward.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-dec-2011

Thanks for the clarification and the education on the deployment of armed forces et al, here in the states.
So then to generalize the point I was making and not to specify anyone individual as being the one to activate the Guard...
I wonder what it will take before the National Guard is called up to restore order and protect the lives and property of the innocent caught in the literal crossfire.

Regarding the articles and studies you provided regarding the decrease in crime and violent crime...
That may very well be true across the board but, Detroit is the exception as evidenced by the stories and news reports that continue to come out of that city day after day, year after year.

Not being a smartass Slucie but I have to ask...
Was the point of your post to debunk everything I stated in mine? Is your argument that the armed forces can't be deployed and utilized due to policies and orders in place and also that, according to studies and articles that have been published which contradict the reports of dramatically increased crime statistics, the reports coming out of Detroit are incorrect?
Not sure what your point is...

I think he thinks that the article might just be spin matter in an election year, for whatever political purpose it might serve. I'm still trying to figure it out.

I think the former Mayor Kwame..is still in prison..
Looks like he's got out of Jackson State Pen..in 2011..

Ex-Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick freed after 14 months in prison

Former official still faces a federal trial on fraud, tax crimes and a racketeering conspiracy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43983572/t/ ... hs-prison/

steveo777 wrote:Slucero, I don't see Detroit in your example. All indications are that this place is going Mad Max. Ever seen the movie?

My belief is that this place is going to die off, therefore, any investment in real estate there, whether it be for long or short term is a calculated loss. Ford Motor Company, headquartered nearby, is probably one of the wealthiest companies within radius. I doubt, even they, will remain there much longer. Should they pull the plug, that place is going to be barren waste land. What does that leave.....pimps, ho's and drug trade? Not sustainable. The rest of em will just kill each other off, as there won't be any incentive to do much else. The city needs to attract high tech manufacturing companies with corporate tax incentives to come there and create jobs. I don't see that happening either, as the city already has a bad reputation as a slum. What else is there for this place, if it can no longer foster industry?

I actually considered going in and buying up some older neighborhoods, full city blocks, all the foreclosures within, then fixing them up. I was going to turn them all into subsidized housing districts, but then I figured my investments would just be destroyed by the thugs within and that my properties would be in a constant state of disrepair or disaster, not to mention that several insurance companies wouldn't touch this idea with a 10 foot pole. I thought a nice 1800 sq ft house would be worth at least $25,000 in a stealer's market. Nope....worth about $2500!!!

Detroit isn't there as I wasn't being specific... about Detroit... just as there are "pockets of prosperity" regarding the real estate market.. there are "pockets of crime"..

Detroit is an example.. but the FBI study shows it to not b the norm..

JRNYMAN wrote:Thanks for the clarification and the education on the deployment of armed forces et al, here in the states.
So then to generalize the point I was making and not to specify anyone individual as being the one to activate the Guard...
I wonder what it will take before the National Guard is called up to restore order and protect the lives and property of the innocent caught in the literal crossfire.

Regarding the articles and studies you provided regarding the decrease in crime and violent crime...
That may very well be true across the board but, Detroit is the exception as evidenced by the stories and news reports that continue to come out of that city day after day, year after year.

Not being a smartass Slucie but I have to ask...
Was the point of your post to debunk everything I stated in mine? Is your argument that the armed forces can't be deployed and utilized due to policies and orders in place and also that, according to studies and articles that have been published which contradict the reports of dramatically increased crime statistics, the reports coming out of Detroit are incorrect?
Not sure what your point is...

Not to debunk you at all man.. just to provide some context regarding crime in general.. sorry if I confused you.

steveo777 wrote:
I think he thinks that the article might just be spin matter in an election year, for whatever political purpose it might serve. I'm still trying to figure it out.

Actually I don't think it's a spin for anything.. just an article about a city in decline...

I was just providing the info for Jman... nothing more than that.... sorry to have confused you.

slucero wrote:Actually I don't think it's a spin for anything.. just an article about a city in decline...

I was just providing the info for Jman... nothing more than that.... sorry to have confused you.

No worries my brother. I just wasn't sure in what direction you were heading with your reply and admittedly was at a total loss as to how to reply. Ya confused the shit outta me man!! But, to be fair, my wife will testify that's a fairly easy accomplishment. One of her favorite things to tell people about me is, "If he can't find the remote control, it's like you moved his food dish."

Not only in Detroit, but also in Philly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5f4lDF1nU8

Don't you just love what the defense attorney has to say the reason for the punch is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZbTRqPzC6E