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Kudos to Washington state for letting us vote for the legalization of Marijuana. Firstly, I don't advocate drug abuse any more than I advocate Alcohol abuse. Frankly, from my own experiences since I was a kid, I see more people killed by stupid acts borne of alcohol, than I have ever seen caused by smoking pot. People who are simply high become mellow, more sexual and might just raid your kitchen of your cookies and ice cream. A drunk, on the other hand, wants to get more drunk, so he drives himself to the liquor store.......or the casino, a hundred miles away. Meanwhile, the stoney is just sitting on his couch, eating ice cream and cookies, while watching Beavis and Butthead.

I voted "yeah" on this. I'm tired of sending good kids and adults to jail for smoking a bit of MJ, while countless inebriates continue to kill people on the roads.

steveo777 wrote:Kudos to Washington state for letting us vote for the legalization of Marijuana. Firstly, I don't advocate drug abuse any more than I advocate Alcohol abuse. Frankly, from my own experiences since I was a kid, I see more people killed by stupid acts borne of alcohol, than I have ever seen caused by smoking pot. People who are simply high become mellow, more sexual and might just raid your kitchen of your cookies and ice cream. A drunk, on the other hand, wants to get more drunk, so he drives himself to the liquor store.......or the casino, a hundred miles away. Meanwhile, the stoney is just sitting on his couch, eating ice cream and cookies, while watching Beavis and Butthead.

I voted "yeah" on this. I'm tired of sending good kids and adults to jail for smoking a bit of MJ, while countless inebriates continue to kill people on the roads.

I feel largely the same as you about the issue. Quite frankly, the govt. completely missed the boat on the legalization of pot 40-some-odd years ago, Had it been legal all this time, they would have capitalized on billion$ in revenues generated from the subject et al, as well as saving billion$ on the ridiculous lawsuits brought against those who have partaken of the herb and got caught.

Now, having said that, I feel there should be strict laws surrounding the use of it - especially when it comes to minors, driving under the influence, and minors driving under the influence. I stand before you the voice of experience with regard to driving while baked out of my mind on Humboldt Indica buds. Growing up in northern Cal, Humboldt weed was plentiful and although expensive compared to the rest, its effects were far more dramatic and lasted longer. It's truly a wonder any of the crowd I hang with made it to adulthood alive! Driving under the influence of pot was literally a daily occurrence. And while you're right about the comparison the behavior between the drunk and the stoner, those differences cease when it comes to operating a moving vehicle. In fact, studies have shown that someone who is high has much slower reflexes and a longer response time than someone who is drunk (depending upon how drunk and for how long they've been drunk.)

agree the criminalization of marijuana just makes criminals out of people who wouldnt otherwise be. One mistake as a kid gets you a criminal record which affects your career , earning power and future ability to take care of your family. Hope it passes

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:agree the criminalization of marijuana just makes criminals out of people who wouldnt otherwise be. One mistake as a kid gets you a criminal record which affects your career , earning power and future ability to take care of your family. Hope it passes

If they legalized drinking and driving, that would decriminalize a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise be criminals. Problem with pot is the long term damage for one. Short term is it takes away the users motivation to get up to go to work in the morning or to better their lives. Good decent people find other ways other than drug use to fulfill their lives. Derelicts on the other hand are much like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance.

Just say NO to Drugs!

Yeah, if they legalize rape and murder think of all the money the state could save on trials and jailing....brilliant!!!

RedWingFan wrote:Yeah, if they legalize rape and murder think of all the money the state could save on trials and jailing....brilliant!!!

And child molesters and murderers.

Is this vote just to legalize for medicinal purposes? If it is to legalize pot outright, you can forget about that law standing even if it passes. The feds will never let it be. In California we have had "medicinal" pot supposedly legal for years. That still doesn't stop the feds from coming in and continually raiding dispenseries and shutting down growing operations. California had a prop to outright legalize not too long ago and it went down to defeat. A major part of the money to push the no vote came from the "medicinal" marijuana "industry".

I am for legalization and profit through licensing and taxation of this very soft drug. Treat it the same as booze. You might even find a drop in use among the minors because the "taboo" of it being illegal is gone. However, like I said the fed will never allow it. We are not there yet as a country and may well never be. I think we are actually headed in the opposite direction right now. If you use tobacco in California, you are looked at like your are some kind felonous scum. There are towns in California where you can't smoke tobacco in your own home or outdoors in the driveway or deck/patio of your home. I think if they felt they could get away with banning booze in this state, they would.

How easy is it to get a medical pot license? Aren't there any lagit medications that helps for physical and/or psycological disorder? Why pot?

How about medical blow jobs or medical sexual intercourse? I'm sure there is a lot of angry, depressed and desparate guys out there who could use that to brighten up their lives just like pot does for them.

Personally I'd like to see medical money being distrubuted. Allowing me to walk up to an ATM (dispensory) and withdrawing as much as I wish without having to earn it first would brighten up my day a little more than it already is.

Sushi you asked why pot? I ask you why not?

SF-Dano wrote:Sushi you asked why pot? I ask you why not?

Try and tell a long term pot user to follow the law and see what response you get.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

SF-Dano wrote:Sushi you asked why pot? I ask you why not?

Try and tell a long term pot user to follow the law and see what response you get.

try and tell a long term alcohol user to follow the law and see what response you get.

Behshad wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

SF-Dano wrote:Sushi you asked why pot? I ask you why not?

Try and tell a long term pot user to follow the law and see what response you get.

try and tell a long term alcohol user to follow the law and see what response you get.

Your the type who argues that two wrongs make a right.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Behshad wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

SF-Dano wrote:Sushi you asked why pot? I ask you why not?

Try and tell a long term pot user to follow the law and see what response you get.

try and tell a long term alcohol user to follow the law and see what response you get.

Your the type who argues that two wrongs make a right.

No I dont. I am just saying why is it ok to be able to get alcohol legally and not pot?

Something that is wrong in your eyes may not be wrong in other people's eyes. fact is both pot and alcohol can cause you harm if used often.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

SF-Dano wrote:Sushi you asked why pot? I ask you why not?

Try and tell a long term pot user to follow the law and see what response you get.

If I follow what you are getting at.....You are pointing out that pot is illegal. I am sure that thought has already occurred to the user and they know they are not "following the law". They choose to go against a law that many, many, many feel is outdated, hypocritical, and just wrong. If you are talking breaking other laws that don't pertain to marijuana, I have known several long time users who have not a blemish on their records and are fine citizens. Heck you spent some time growing up in the same neighborhoods I did. Same highschool even. You must have come across alot of people that toked. Did you think they were all bad criminial types that would never amount to anything? If so you are sorely mistaken. They are legit small business owners, hard workers, some even work in with the Government these days (though they are possibly the real criminals. )

I was really trying to get you to explain your point against medical marijuana. The long term bad effects? Please give me the scientific research details on these long term use bad effects. Many of these people have cancer and are not too worried about the possible long term effects of cannibas smoke inhalation. If pot can provide even the slightest comfort to these people (hell to anyone as far as I am concerned) what is the evil in that.

Do you feel alchol should be made illegal?

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:Yeah, if they legalize rape and murder think of all the money the state could save on trials and jailing....brilliant!!!

And child molesters and murderers.

Wow what a massive non seqiutor. If someone takes a puff of mary jane , doesn't obtain it through the use of force, violence, or agression - doesn't violate the rights of others or try to force others to smoke it. He is not doing anything which should be illegal. Might be stupid , but we cannot morally stop him. This is becuase the action is SELF REGARDING- that choice has no impact on the rights of others.

in the case of rape murder, child molestation and drunk driving - all those involve the use of aggression and violence against the rights of others. Those are OTHER REGARDING actions ones which affect and harm someone else.

No comparison whatsoever. By the way the terms self regarding and other regarding and harm principle are not things I just made up. They were presented by JS Mill in On Liberty, a piece of writing that 200 years ago was a cornerstone of AngloAmerican political philosophy and thinking on freedom. Principles conveniently forgotten by folks across the spectrum ranging from soda banning and do good paternalistic liberals through to Rick Santorum type religious conservatives on the right.

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:Yeah, if they legalize rape and murder think of all the money the state could save on trials and jailing....brilliant!!!

And child molesters and murderers.

Wow what a massive non seqiutor. If someone takes a puff of mary jane , doesn't obtain it through the use of force, violence, or agression - doesn't violate the rights of others or try to force others to smoke it. He is not doing anything which should be illegal. Might be stupid , but we cannot morally stop him. This is becuase the action is SELF REGARDING- that choice has no impact on the rights of others.

in the case of rape murder, child molestation and drunk driving - all those involve the use of aggression and violence against the rights of others. Those are OTHER REGARDING actions ones which affect and harm someone else.

No comparison whatsoever. By the way the terms self regarding and other regarding and harm principle are not things I just made up. They were presented by JS Mill in On Liberty, a piece of writing that 200 years ago was a cornerstone of AngloAmerican political philosophy and thinking on freedom. Principles conveniently forgotten by folks across the spectrum ranging from soda banning and do good paternalistic liberals through to Rick Santorum type religious conservatives on the right.

Yeah but he's fucking up himself smoking drugs and you can't even ride a motorcycle without a helmet on because that is even illigal to do. It's a law that is there to protect him, tax payers, and such from becoming a ward of the state, government. Suicide is illigal too, it's just that usually when people successfully commit suicide, they can't be tried in court on it. Huffing paint or carb cleaner, same thing, illigal. The only people they are basically hurting is themselves. But to keep them from doing it so they do not end up with brain damage and a ward of the state, government for the rest of their lives, huffing is deemed illigal.

Don't worry, about ten years ago I found out that I was breaking the law for at least half of my life, according to the laws on the books in some states.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Yeah but he's fucking up himself smoking drugs

so you fuck your self up when you eat cheeseburgers, twinkies, dont exercise, have sex with more than one girl, chew on ice. Why dont you disallow those?

and you can't even ride a motorcycle without a helmet on because that is even illigal to do.

as long as that person is willing to live with the consequences of his/her own stupid action , motor cycle helmets should not be mandatory either

It's a law that is there to protect him, tax payers, and such from becoming a ward of the state, government.

government shouldn't be in the business of protecting people from their own stupid actions or taking care of them when they willfully screw up. Under your logic we would have to ban everything where a person might come to harm. For example. I'm a competitive cyclist . What if get knocked off my time trial bike and become a vegetable and a ward of the state. its a dangerous sport and has a high accident rate - should it be banned.

The only time the government can morally force anybody to do or not to do anything is when those actions violate the rights of others to do something.

There is no sense in debating over issues like this with Sushi. Debating with him is like masturbating with a cheese grator. slightly enjoyable, mostly painful!

Behshad wrote:There is no sense in debating over issues like this with Sushi. Debating with him is like masturbating with a cheese grator. slightly enjoyable, mostly painful!

Damn should masturbating with a cheesegrator be illegal? How about dwarf tossing with consenting dwarfs who get paid handsomely for it ?

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:

Behshad wrote:There is no sense in debating over issues like this with Sushi. Debating with him is like masturbating with a cheese grator. slightly enjoyable, mostly painful!

Damn should masturbating with a cheesegrator be illegal? How about dwarf tossing with consenting dwarfs who get paid handsomely for it ?

Behshad wrote:There is no sense in debating over issues like this with Sushi. Debating with him is like masturbating with a cheese grator. slightly enjoyable, mostly painful!

Yeeouch! As long as I live I never want to read the words "cheese grater" and "masturbate" in the same sentence!

It passed. It's now legal to posess up to 1 oz of MJ in Washington state.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:agree the criminalization of marijuana just makes criminals out of people who wouldnt otherwise be. One mistake as a kid gets you a criminal record which affects your career , earning power and future ability to take care of your family. Hope it passes

If they legalized drinking and driving, that would decriminalize a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise be criminals. Problem with pot is the long term damage for one. Short term is it takes away the users motivation to get up to go to work in the morning or to better their lives. Good decent people find other ways other than drug use to fulfill their lives. Derelicts on the other hand are much like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance.

Just say NO to Drugs!

YOU are sadly mistaken. The two MOST dangerous drugs are legal, alcohol & tobacco. Yet, we profit from it and the world still turns. That is a MYTH you saying

short term "takes away motivation", far from it. Stay Frosty.

Behshad wrote:Debating with him is like masturbating with a cheese grator. slightly enjoyable, mostly painful!

Now Behshad, Sir, I know the only way you could word that so well is from experience, man that's gotta hurt.

I'm on the yay side with this one for many reasons that I won't bother to bore anyone with.
I will say that marijuana being "homegrown" and not "chemicalified", helped my Father hugely with pain and nauseousness
when he was receiving treatments for Leukemia.
He was never a pot partaker until he took sick and it was a huge help for him.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:agree the criminalization of marijuana just makes criminals out of people who wouldnt otherwise be. One mistake as a kid gets you a criminal record which affects your career , earning power and future ability to take care of your family. Hope it passes

If they legalized drinking and driving, that would decriminalize a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise be criminals. Problem with pot is the long term damage for one. Short term is it takes away the users motivation to get up to go to work in the morning or to better their lives. Good decent people find other ways other than drug use to fulfill their lives. Derelicts on the other hand are much like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance.

Just say NO to Drugs!

You are stereo-typing with your opinions there, most aren't Beavis and Butthead. I know some very up standing, good decent people with great jobs and fulfilling lives.......that smoke the odd doobie here and there. IMO, alcohol is legal and way worse. I'm all for legalizing it in small quantities (not that I partake, haven't in years ) and especially for medicinal reasons. I agree with Moonie on her homegrown (natural) vs. chemicalized pot, helping people with pain and nausea. LOL, mind you my province does border the homegrown capital of the world, BC.

Deb wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:agree the criminalization of marijuana just makes criminals out of people who wouldnt otherwise be. One mistake as a kid gets you a criminal record which affects your career , earning power and future ability to take care of your family. Hope it passes

If they legalized drinking and driving, that would decriminalize a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise be criminals. Problem with pot is the long term damage for one. Short term is it takes away the users motivation to get up to go to work in the morning or to better their lives. Good decent people find other ways other than drug use to fulfill their lives. Derelicts on the other hand are much like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance.

Just say NO to Drugs!

You are stereo-typing with your opinions there, most aren't Beavis and Butthead. I know some very up standing, good decent people with great jobs and fulfilling lives.......that smoke the odd doobie here and there. IMO, alcohol is legal and way worse. I'm all for legalizing it in small quantities (not that I partake, haven't in years ) and especially for medicinal reasons. I agree with Moonie on her homegrown (natural) vs. chemicalized pot, helping people with pain and nausea. LOL, mind you my province does border the homegrown capital of the world, BC.

Yeah, we have our share of expert 'gardeners' here

If you want pot legalized, then I say lay off the cigarette smokers. They both have negative health effects and they both have second hand smoker effects.

Rick wrote:If you want pot legalized, then I say lay off the cigarette smokers. They both have negative health effects and they both have second hand smoker effects.

So how would you have voted? Lay off the cigarette smokers? They tax the shit out of us and discriminate as to where we can smoke. I have no problem with that as long as I get to make my own choices. I smoke, but I am very respectful of who I do it around and where I do it. I don't smoke in the house or my cars. I will not light up anywhere around someone who does not smoke. When I am at work, I do not smoke around customers, even though, they themselves smoke. I normally head off to the back 40, where nobody sees or smells.

steveo777 wrote:

Rick wrote:If you want pot legalized, then I say lay off the cigarette smokers. They both have negative health effects and they both have second hand smoker effects.

So how would you have voted? Lay off the cigarette smokers? They tax the shit out of us and discriminate as to where we can smoke. I have no problem with that as long as I get to make my own choices. I smoke, but I am very respectful of who I do it around and where I do it. I don't smoke in the house or my cars. I will not light up anywhere around someone who does not smoke. When I am at work, I do not smoke around customers, even though, they themselves smoke. I normally head off to the back 40, where nobody sees or smells.

That's me. I don't even smoke at work. Just in my garage or out on the patio. I am to the point of almost being paranoid of my smoke wafting into a non-smokers air.

steveo777 wrote:

Rick wrote:If you want pot legalized, then I say lay off the cigarette smokers. They both have negative health effects and they both have second hand smoker effects.

So how would you have voted? Lay off the cigarette smokers? They tax the shit out of us and discriminate as to where we can smoke. I have no problem with that as long as I get to make my own choices. I smoke, but I am very respectful of who I do it around and where I do it. I don't smoke in the house or my cars. I will not light up anywhere around someone who does not smoke. When I am at work, I do not smoke around customers, even though, they themselves smoke. I normally head off to the back 40, where nobody sees or smells.

Trust me, your in the minority.