The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:DC's films do extremely well on home video and streaming formats.
So it's not longer a "cinematic" universe but a straight to DVD one?
Stop pressing the spin-cycle button repeatedly. You're wearing it out and the warranty's toast.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote: If they choose to keep their movies in theaters for a long time, like Wonder Woman,, they make money. If they pull them and release them on Blu-ray, DVD and digital, they're make money. The exception, naturally and expectedly, is Justice League, which crapped out at the box office and has collected only about 50 million on Blu/DVD.
JL's flaccid box office aside, the DC universe has be plagued with all sorts of other major issues.
Which franchise isn't? Heard a lot about
Star Wars lately, haven't you? Guess which movie made more money,
Justice League or
Solo?
Aw, hell. Let me save you the trouble.
Justice League CLOBBERED
Solo! A freakin'
Star Wars movie!
Worldwide: $657,924,295
Worldwide: $371,904,265
And since Ron Howard reshot 80% of the movie, you can bet Disney's red column for
Solo is way higher than
JL's.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote: For the same reason, you're not going to see Iron Man recast after Downey leaves.
That's not what Marvel has been saying at all: "I believe there will be a fourth Iron Man film and a fifth and a sixth and a 10th and a 20th".... "I see no reason why Tony Stark can't be as evergreen as James Bond. Or Batman for that matter."
F-meister says what he thinks people want to hear. You wanted to hear that, so he said it. You bought it. Yet no
Iron Man 4 is in development. They're focusing on other characters in preparation for Downey's and Evans' inevitable exit.
Instead, they rely on Downey's presence in other movies, like
Homecoming,
Civil War (as much screen time as Evans) and
Infinity War (at the expense of other actors I wanted to see more of). They're milking him like a cow teat.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:And, yeah, that IS the point. With one film, WB put the Bat franchise back in the cave until Nolan rescued it by serving us a trilogy that eschewed camp. And you know that.
Batman Forever was a studio-mandated course correction to the overly dark Returns.
"Overly dark" had fuck-all to do with it.
Returns was made for 2.5X more and it made a lot less domestically and worldwide.
Forever did better domestically but it did a lot better overseas. And Kilmer was a more than solid Bruce Wayne. It's too bad he didn't stick around.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Batman & Robin then swung too far in the opposite direction.
They realized the hard way that
Batman '66 had its time. The show is still the superior end product, and Adam West is still a better Bruce Wayne and Batman than George Clooney could ever hope to be.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The series didn't need rescuing. WB should have just made a better fifth entry. Similar to how Bond went full blown camp with Moonraker and then came back to espionage with For Your Eyes Only.
WB was in no short supply of ideas and pitches.
Batman and Robin's stain had to wear off. It was akin a bacterial weapon with a long-lasting stench.
I like
Moonraker. It made more than both
The Spy Who Loved Me and
For Your Eyes Only, too, both domestically and overseas. Check the numbers. I like all of Moore's movies.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Not 24 fuckin' months later the way you think. Hence my earlier point about devaluing/cheapening. There's a legacy to maintain.
Legacy of what? Selling happy meal toys? You claim the Nolan Bat series is sacrosanct, yet WB later shamelessly used Nolan's name to help hype MOS / Justice League.
I still don't see why you have some kind of problem with Nolan's involvement in
Man of Steel. And before you wiggle your fingers over your keyboard, Nolan's exec title on that film wasn't "marquee space filler." He's the one who brought Goyer's treatment to the studio.
Nolan's name wasn't pimped to promote
Justice League anywhere near the level you're suggesting. Tone down the hysterics, man.

WB was too busy promoting
Dunkirk. Nolan's hits just keep on comin'!
The_Noble_Cause wrote:They should have just made another Bat film.
Had they released one in 1999, it might have performed far below expectations short of bringing back Nicholson as the Joker. And that would have been very, very expensive. The "rumor" back then was that Jeff Goldblum was going to be Scarecrow and his chemically-derived arsenal was going to make Batman hallucinate the return of Joker-Jack. But I never bought into that because I didn't believe they could get Jack back. Jack made it painfully apparent he did that role for the moola. And he was paid a lot for it.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:You numbskull. Reeves has mapped out a trilogy.
Yea? So? And at one point Justice League was a guaranteed two-parter. You don't know anything.

Says the guy who doesn't know Reeves' plans. "Yea? So?" Are we two degrees away from "Your momma's so fat" jokes?
WTF does
Justice League's change from a two-film arc to a one-film Joss-splat have
anything to do with Reeves? Nothing, that's what. You're spinning your wheels.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:If everything's so black and white with you, why are
Wonder Woman (an extremely successful CBM) and
Aquaman, the forthcoming film from James Wan (who happens to be an extremely successful filmmaker), both a part of the same continuity?
I'm going to put my feet up, take a sip, and wait for your calculated response to that nugget.

Guess you didn't get the memo. The DC Universe is moving toward stand alone features without much in the way of connective tissue. This was just confirmed again as recently as this week.
That diminishes continuity how? It doesn't. So they aren't making a team film in the next several years. "Yea? So?"

Guess you didn't get the memo about
Birds of Prey filming this coming January. What's that? Yet another DC movie headed into production? With Margot Robbie reprising her role as
Harley Quinn? People are already forking over their cash.
This quote from the film
Gladiator is totally about you!
"He enters Rome like a conquering hero. But what has he conquered?"