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I mean is anybody still interested in what they do? They haven't made an album since 1998 which wasn't that good. They play virtually the same set list every tour. They'll put anyone in Ace or Peter's make up. So much for respecting their legacy. They would probably replace themselves if it made them money. I feel more like a customer at KISS-Mart than a fan of a once great band. I thought the Symphony was worse than Alive III. Revolving members again. I'm on the brink of saying "the hell with this." Is anybody with me? Or is there still something to get excited over that I'm missing.

I'm with you. The tour with Aerosmith just rolled through town and I didn't even give a second thought to going, esp. at the ticket prices being charged. I'd prefer if they drop the make up and make some new music, with whatever line up they choose, just give me something new.

Yeah, I'm still interested with what they do. I just wish Gene/Paul would realise that if the band doesn't consist of the original members then the make-up shouldn't be used.

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY they still matter!! Until the coffin lid slams shut on Paul or Gene, they are going to be a musical force. They may not have another Destroyer in them BUT they are THE ICONS of melodic rock - to coin a phrase!!

I would very much like some new material, but I don't give a fuck whether it is with make-up or without, with Tommy Thayer, Eric Singer, or what - as long as it has Gene and Paul it's Kiss to me.........

I thought the Symphony was bloody great too.

They've become a joke in the musical world. As for them being a musical force? Those days are long gone. They are strictly a nostalgic act now.

If they are going to have Thayer and Singer in the band, just take off the make up and tour or create a new album.

The whole makeup nostalgia tour has come and gone.

I saw them 3 times with makeup now, reunion, psycho circus and farewell. I purposly did not go to the Aerosmith/Kiss show.

Paul

If they take the make-up off, all you jackass fans will just say "put the make-up back on", "When is Ace & Peter coming back", blah blah blah....If you like the band fine, if you don't fine, they sound MUCH better with Singer in the band, no one can deny that. I love the original band like the next guy, but they sound like they're pushing 60 years old with Criss behind the kit. When Singer is playing they sound "timeless" again (like it should be), I'll miss him when The Coop comes back around though....

they are clearly the boggest joke on the planet.They are abt to tour australia..again,and are charging people 1000US for a meet and greet.Prince charged 1000 bux for a meet and greet in australia and donated the money to charity,who will paul and gene donate the money to?Themselves who else,the same banter,the same show,same set list.What a bore.On top of that they are charging between 90-165bux for a seat,paul and gene can shove it up there ass.
Ill bet my house that they wont sell out the show in sydney,the dome holds 20000 people,they'll be lucky to have 10,000.
I feel sorry for the fans(myself being 1 of them).Clearly the biggest money making scamers of all time,i just hope van halen get out on tour quick enough to kick there ass.

I've just about done with them to be honest! In my ever-so-humble opinion, they should have gone out on a high (and with their dignity in tact) and called it a day after the amazing Worldwide Alive Tour back in 1997.What a way that would have been to end an astonishing career.Instead we (the fans) have had to suffer the God-Awful Psycho Circus and more recently, the equally dreadful (and allegedly over-dubbed) Alive Symphony.Just listen to it back to back with Alive or Alive 2 and there's simply no comparison!

Kiss have become one of those ageing cabaret acts that you see playing out their twilight days in Las Vegas - no longer hungry, no longer capable of creating exciting new music, just there to remind people of how great they once were and make a few extra bucks.

A shame to see one of the all time great rocks acts go out this way!

I know one guy who gets all stiff and horny over KISS...that Jackass Amigo Jax in the The Cooler...what a jerkoff!

I am going to the Kiss In Your Face show, which is at a small venue that holds like a couple of thousand people, and they play for 2 hours.

Originally they released ticket to only people who already had tickets to their other 2 shows, or who were members of Kissonline.
They sold so slowly they changed that the day they were released.

Still not sold out, and I for one would be pissed if I handed over a couple of hundred bucks to see a show that I had seen 3 or 4 times before, and then they did something different and wanted more money.

Luckily I wasn't already going to the other shows, because like Mike Tramp said last night "who wants to pay a couple of hundred bucks to see a band play the same songs wearing teh same clothes as they did 30 years ago?"

Their last album I enjoyed was Revenge. So...

what is it with these kiss whiners?


my favourite kiss whines -


(a) kiss reunited and have done nothing decent since.

well kiss' reuniting was tenfold what you could call that of the other *big critically acliamed acts* reuniting at the same time, e.g. fleetwood mac, the eagles. what the f**k did they do when they reuntied? at least kiss brouhht out a new good album and kicked ass touring (how can any self respecting kiss fan not like i pledge allegiance to the state of rock n roll and raise your glasses??????) geeeeezzzz


(b) kiss aren't exciting anymore

kiss have (even when you strip out the compilations) released more albums than most bands. they have produced an incredible legacy and for my money even if they didn't release anything else in the future they still stand alone in the quality of their output.


(c) waa waaa ace and peter criss arent there -

well for my money eric singer is a veteran of the industry and a better drummer. same with thommy thayer and a technically superior guitarist. don't get me wrong, i love ace/peter but until they can get their sh*t together (alcohol, drugs, committment to kiss) im not losing one bit of sleep while there not there.

if they can make the committment and come back then great!


a friend of mine went to the show last night and afterwards said -

them: "what a kick ass show"
me: "excellent, worht every penny"
them: "peter criss looked weird tho"
me "it was eric singer"
them: "<rant> ive been ripped off by kiss, where's peter"

ummm read your first line "it was a kick ass show" ---- without peter!!!!!.. some people just get hung up on these stupid details.

well know why ace/peter aren't there.. it's not hard to see ace is stoned out of his head most the time and peter gripes too much about being there (that even started with beth - pining he wasn't home with his woman).

it doesn't take much to figure out paul/gene are the heartbeat of kiss..


(d) too much merchandise

don't like the maerchandise - fine - here's one for you - don't like it don't buy it!!!!

some people like collecting merchanidise - is that hard too understand?

don't like the ticket prices - don't go - we'll see you at pearl jam and their low cost stage show in their pjs....


(e) kiss are just making money

good on them... they have to earn a living and they've put in the hard yards to do it however they see fit...


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let's focus on the rock and the rock from kiss kicks ass!

Im with you all the way Rocker!! Sold out Tiger Stadium in 43 minutes then 10 Arena gigs in 6 minutes ,Respect
Some people would rather moan than say facts Theres a guy on another thread complaining they dont mix the setlists up !! ERM!! Check out the current Australian tour
Also Andrews review of Genes Solo CD I knew that was coming before I read it! his 78 Solo LP was different and Asshole is kinda modern version of that,But wait til Pauls come out I reckon thatll be AMAZING!!!

at least kiss brouhht out a new good album and kicked ass touring (how can any self respecting kiss fan not like i pledge allegiance to the state of rock n roll and raise your glasses??????) geeeeezzzz

Psycho Circus?...A good album?...surely you jest.

waa waaa ace and peter criss arent there -

well for my money eric singer is a veteran of the industry and a better drummer. same with thommy thayer and a technically superior guitarist. don't get me wrong, i love ace/peter but until they can get their sh*t together (alcohol, drugs, committment to kiss) im not losing one bit of sleep while there not there.

I would agree with you there, but to dress up Singer and Thayer, in Peter and Ace's makeup and costumes, is the problem most people have with this. I would prefer they go back to the Revenge line-up, which Paul is for his solo album, and make some new music.

rocker2069 wrote:what is it with these kiss whiners?

No one is whining. Just stating an opinion. Since you think Ace & Peter need to get their "shit" together. It leads me to believe that you believe everything Gene Simmons says and have no problem bending over for him while he takes your cash. If the 80's and early 90's kiss is your thing then go put the x in sex and have fun. It's not the real thing.

rocker2069 wrote:waa waaa ace and peter criss arent there -

well for my money eric singer is a veteran of the industry and a better drummer. same with thommy thayer and a technically superior guitarist.

Criss and Frehley are veterans as well. I'm not going into a debate as to who is the better one...

melodic_metal_fl wrote:I would agree with you there, but to dress up Singer and Thayer, in Peter and Ace's makeup and costumes, is the problem most people have with this. I would prefer they go back to the Revenge line-up, which Paul is for his solo album, and make some new music.

And don't forget that Singer and Thayer have dyed their hair, etc... to look more like Criss and Frehley.

rocker2069 wrote:
my favourite kiss whines -

(a) kiss reunited and have done nothing decent since.

(b) kiss aren't exciting anymore

(c) waa waaa ace and peter criss arent there

(d) too much merchandise

(e) kiss are just making money

(a) haha, they never broke up.
seriously, to properly REUNITE, you have to be apart for at leats a while.
And yes, what is the point in playing just live music?
I like the songs you mentioned.
I like them and I want more like them.
Don't you?

MAKE NEW MUSIC

(b) we are all used to them.
Same songs
same fire breathing, flying, smashing guitar etc
same show every year
Not all that exciting anymore

(c) prefer someone who can actually play the later songs

(d) don't care, don't buy it.
Way too pverpriced for me

(e) nothing wrong with that.
Good on 'em
But they will die a slow death they way they are going.
If they had the balls to do something different and play other songs, and make new music, maybe, just maybe they would make money doing that too....

I think KISS still has its hard-core fans but the days of them being a headlining act have loooooong since past. I'd enjoy them as an opening act, though, or at a small venue. I do like a lot of their tunes.

Definitely...go see them on their new tour, you WILL NOT be disappointed! I just saw them a couple weeks ago here in Chicago and it may have been my favorite of the six times I've seen KISS!

I've seen 12 times since 1986.......I just saw them about a week ago and it was one of the best....

Good news

saw both the Aerosmith tour and the Rock The Nation show...both were outstanding....

Gaffguitars wrote:I mean is anybody still interested in what they do? They haven't made an album since 1998 which wasn't that good. They play virtually the same set list every tour. They'll put anyone in Ace or Peter's make up. So much for respecting their legacy. They would probably replace themselves if it made them money. I feel more like a customer at KISS-Mart than a fan of a once great band. I thought the Symphony was worse than Alive III. Revolving members again. I'm on the brink of saying "the hell with this." Is anybody with me? Or is there still something to get excited over that I'm missing.

Been a fan since 1980,used to be the director of the Kiss Army International for ten years,have a display case full of 70's merchandise and have met and interviewed the guys and was a Kiss nut...now Not so much i wish they would split up and leave gracefully.Tommy and Eric great players,probably better than Ace and Peter.Yet they have done nothing of worth to match what Peter and Ace did in the 70's...nothing! You know there are plenty of players in bars that are better than Angus Young yet none have wrote and created the amazing riffs and stage presance that he has,the same goes for Ace and Peter.
Gene has lost the plot but in Paul there is hope especially with this new solo record
Kiss are long...long past there sell by date i feel

After hearing Pauls new album its apparent he hasn't lost that 'magic touch' (spot the pun!) but whether this could be applied to new KISS material is something different.

As previously mentioned, both Eric and Tommy are far superior musos than messrs Frehley and Criss, BUT, I really liked the 'sloppiness' of the original line up. Sure, the current version is great live, and you won't get a better live show than a KISS show, but it just seems they're doing it to make sure the pensions stay topped up.

Fuck the make up argument - I couldnt give a shit to be honest - new material is what the fans want - I think the ultimate problem lies with Gene - Paul has always been KISS, with (back in the day) Ace as back up (solo albums anyone?), but the problem, lies at Genes feet - read the online interviews - its always Tommy and Eric suggesting 'different' tracks to play live, Pauls album is simply 1000% better than Genes, what does Simmons do? Sit on his ass counting the money rolling in from KISS kitchen tiles.

And on the subject of the merchandise, I couldnt give a toss about that either. I cant stand seeing these whiners go on about KISS Kondoms and stuff - dont feckin buy it if you dont like it.

KISS have stalled big time - stuck in the past and don't know where to go a la 1980 all over again. Will they undergo another 'reinvention'? Who knows...

I'm sure they have one great album left in them - I thought Psycho Circus was a cracking album, but I think they just don't know what to do - its the same situation for Status Quo - people only want to hear the 'classics' - and those people outnumber the ones wo want to hear new material - what would happen if KISS toured a new album and played 3 or 4 old songs? It would bomb - no matter how good the new material was.

Only one band has managed to keep fresh, love em or hate em, and thats Iron Maiden - 26 years after ther first album they're thinking of playing the whole of the new album for the upcoming tour with some oldies in there for good measure - for me thats how it should be done.

Don't get me wrong - I love KISS, I really do, make up or not, but KISS 2006 just doesnt seem to do it for me.

[quote="bladezuk"]After hearing Pauls new album its apparent he hasn't lost that 'magic touch' (spot the pun!) but whether this could be applied to new KISS material is something different.

As previously mentioned, both Eric and Tommy are far superior musos than messrs Frehley and Criss, BUT, I really liked the 'sloppiness' of the original line up. Sure, the current version is great live, and you won't get a better live show than a KISS show, but it just seems they're doing it to make sure the pensions stay topped up.

Fuck the make up argument - I couldnt give a shit to be honest - new material is what the fans want - I think the ultimate problem lies with Gene - Paul has always been KISS, with (back in the day) Ace as back up (solo albums anyone?), but the problem, lies at Genes feet - read the online interviews - its always Tommy and Eric suggesting 'different' tracks to play live, Pauls album is simply 1000% better than Genes, what does Simmons do? Sit on his ass counting the money rolling in from KISS kitchen tiles.

And on the subject of the merchandise, I couldnt give a toss about that either. I cant stand seeing these whiners go on about KISS Kondoms and stuff - dont feckin buy it if you dont like it.

KISS have stalled big time - stuck in the past and don't know where to go a la 1980 all over again. Will they undergo another 'reinvention'? Who knows...

I'm sure they have one great album left in them - I thought Psycho Circus was a cracking album, but I think they just don't know what to do - its the same situation for Status Quo - people only want to hear the 'classics' - and those people outnumber the ones wo want to hear new material - what would happen if KISS toured a new album and played 3 or 4 old songs? It would bomb - no matter how good the new material was.

Only one band has managed to keep fresh, love em or hate em, and thats Iron Maiden - 26 years after ther first album they're thinking of playing the whole of the new album for the upcoming tour with some oldies in there for good measure - for me thats how it should be done.


Rush are still fresh and there new stuff is embraced big time,wow Status Quo the first band i ever got into,they were a hell of a live band,bit Chas and Dave now to me.I have often still toyed with seeing them,maybe one day