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As posted by Andrew on the newspage - Monday, October 25, 2004:

ANOTHER END OF THE ROAD FOR VAN HALEN?:

Well, what do you all think? Are we likely to get a new album? Do we want a new album????? Kenny, I'd be interested in your thoughts on this!?

Personally I hope Eddie sorts his shit out and we get a new studio album.
But I ain't holding my breath!

Yeah I read that with a heavy heart Wardy.....Ed just can't seem to keep his shit together. Mind you, he always drank a lot in the early days, but maybe that ain't so easy when you're 48.
Having said that, the signs were never really there that this was going to be anything other than a quick cash-in tour......Sammy always said he was going back to the Waboritas.
So as much as I would like a new album, it looks like, at the moment at least, it's not gonna happen.
Maybe Ed should give Roth a call.

Sheesh Kenny... you're quick!!!!!

Ed call Roth? Why? To have a good laugh at each other? lol!
Hmmm, I'd been waiting for something big from VH since I heard Humans Being blasting over a stores p.a. when it was released (and guess who worked that very store? Andrew? You there?...) and VH III was just a let down after that track. Then reforming and releasing It's about Time was like wow then...

Still waiting.

I think it really sucks that Ed and Sam cant make things work. However, I dont really think Dave is a long term solution either. Maybe Ed will realize how messed up things are in the VH world and give the fans a final salute with Dave. Close the book on the band.
It pains me to say it, but I think Ed has pretty much packed it in. Then again this is another disappointment in a row dating back to when they screwed Sam. Sam, then Dave, then Gary took the blame for Ed's solo record.
Its tough being a vh fan these days.

All the talk of Van Hagar has died a slow death, out of the 3 new songs for the best of release, only one was worthy to be recorded, IMO. DLR has done a tour with his covers band and came across as getting his act together. (Well done Dave, come back to England anytime you want).
As for Sammy, I feel sorry for him. In the end I'm glad that they gave it a go, even though they never bothered to do a world wide tour/proper full album release.

Maybe it is fitting that the blame for the demise of Van Halen is on Eddie's doorstep........A piss poor ending to a great band.

Jeez, Mr.Rock, I know it doesn't look good right now, but can you be any more of a pessimist!!

Hagar probably has his shit together more than any of the others......don't feel sorry for him!

I can understand Rock Kenny, feeling sorry for Sam in regard to him wanting to fire into a revamp Halen only to be let down (again!).
But yeah, he's taken control of his career a few times over now so in regard to that there's no need to be concerned for him.

Kenny,
I think a lot of fans were really behind Sam this time because they kinda knew Ed was goofy and drinking again. I am a Dave era fan first and foremost, but I was totally into the energy Sammy brought to the band.

Myself, I was hoping to get a new cd or two out of this and then a ride into the sunset. It appears we may not even get that. Poor relations between Sam & Ed may not make for a good record, if it does happen.

Im sure that (when) this reunion dissolves the Dave talk will begin in earnest. I find it hard to believe that Ed would go back and let Dave in again. His wall of denial seems to be pretty thick. Add in cancer, the dissolution of his marriage, and his triple lindy off the wagon to the mix. Ed needs to get right before anything good comes from this band. I sure hope he finds peace.

I think that if Roth comes back into the fold, Dave would care less about Ed's attitude or problems. They would have separate accomodations and Dave will be self centered and kick ass no matter what. Ed already went back on his word that he would never do a nostalgia tour or "greatest hits" tour. Maybe a world tour with Diamond Dave can happen.

Man do I miss Van Halen clicking on all cylinders. Regardless of the singer.

Kenny wrote:Jeez, Mr.Rock, I know it doesn't look good right now, but can you be any more of a pessimist!!

Hagar probably has his shit together more than any of the others......don't feel sorry for him!

I'm a miserable bastard sometimes.

I'm just cheesed off with the whole Van Halen stuation at the moment, I was expecting a big comeback tour and all I got to see was 3 new songs, which sounded like they were recorded around the same time as 'Humans Being'.

I would love them to crank out an album or two of incredible stuff to say goodbye for good. However if Sammy ain't happy, then I say let him go, everyone needs to enjoy their work.

Everything I've heard lately seems to suggest that the band is going to carry on and record a new studio album in 2005. What's everybody else hearing?

The Van Halen reunion tour with Sammy is more than likely the final VH tour while I don't expect another VH album of original material anytime soon either.

I remember reading on this site where Eddie and the gang were writing music and it was the best stuff they have ever written.......

I wonder if he was just saying that to get our hopes up or if there are true intentions of having a new album? The new stuff on the GHII was pretty good I thought!

realrockfan30 wrote:I remember reading on this site where Eddie and the gang were writing music and it was the best stuff they have ever written.......

I wonder if he was just saying that to get our hopes up or if there are true intentions of having a new album? The new stuff on the GHII was pretty good I thought!

I think Up For Breakfast is a great song which sounds like a F. U. C. K. outtake proving this legendary rock band still has it but I don't expect anything else from Van Halen anytime soon with Dave or Sammy or anybody else.

Why feel sorry for Sammy? He has a great solo deal, he plays better than Ed does now, plus we can go see him play it all!!

Kenny wrote:Yeah I read that with a heavy heart Wardy.....Ed just can't seem to keep his shit together. Mind you, he always drank a lot in the early days, but maybe that ain't so easy when you're 48.
Having said that, the signs were never really there that this was going to be anything other than a quick cash-in tour......Sammy always said he was going back to the Waboritas.
So as much as I would like a new album, it looks like, at the moment at least, it's not gonna happen.
Maybe Ed should give Roth a call.

Hey Kenny, can't we start telling the truth, starting with the brother's ages?

Then we can start talking about how Ed really hated both of those guys. It was all about money. There won't be anymore VH with Ed or Dave.

I would look for other endevours to materialize.

Yeah Ed just had his 50th birthday a month or so ago I believe, so........sue me!!!
The Roth thing was a joke, hence the .

Good riddance to Van Hager! Their 2004 concert lost money due to overpriced tickets!

Bring back David Lee Roth!

Journeytroll

Yeah, whatever.

Kenny wrote:Yeah, whatever.

It's the truth. The whole truth. And nothing but the truth!

The Real Van Halen (EVH, AVH, MA, and DLR) Forever!!!

Journeytroll

It was in the top 10 grossing concerts according to PollStar. It didn't do as well as what I thought it would. They did price themselves out of the market for some venues. There was a story about a promoter pricing the show as high as the religious Gaither Homecoming shows. Well, he was also in a market where those shows CAN charge that nuch, and where those shows represent the public's tastes/beliefs more than VH does. They only had about 9k show up in a 22k+ venue.

If they lost money, it sure wasn't from the audio or video side of the production. They were using the Showco Prism system, which has been around for 20 years or so. It is ok. I have mixed on it several times myself. But it is not as hi-fi as some of the newer systems out there. The engineer was sloppy as well IMO. The video was nothing spectacular. There wasn't much pyro on the nights I saw them. Lighting wasn't super killer. Must have been something behind the scenes.

They are over for good. Not just an observation. A grapevine/in-the-know birdy says so. I wish that I had not seen them this last tour. Eddy was really sloppy drunk, sloppy period. I wasn't that impressed with Michaels 80's bass solo. And Sammy was just not the care-free guy that he is on his own. He was "watered down". Alex is always steady. I hated his drum sounds live this tour. No body, all thwak! Ed had good tone though.

You know you are playing to a bunch of stupid drunk, musicially illiterates when Ed can stand there, hit a note, flip the internal sustainer (battery under the string), and the crowd think that Ed's the man. All he did was flip a switch, turning on a 9V battery, and he is the man. Wow, I am in the wrong side of the business.

Bring back David Lee Roth!

It's not 1984, anymore. DLR can't even sing, dude.

But Sammy CAN.

In spades!

Eddy was really sloppy drunk, sloppy period. I wasn't that impressed with Michaels 80's bass solo. And Sammy was just not the care-free guy that he is on his own. He was "watered down". Alex is always steady. I hated his drum sounds live this tour. No body, all thwak!

Which is why I'm glad I didn't bother. Michael's bass solos technically suck, anyway. The problem with Alex and Ed both is that they allow themselves to stagnate.

Which is where Sam differs. He had a career before AND after VH. He puts out quality albums on a consistent basis.

Me, I'm waiting for the Sammy & the Waboritas to come around again. With the Wabos behind him, Sam's got a much better band.

Mr.Rock wrote:Maybe it is fitting that the blame for the demise of Van Halen is on Eddie's doorstep........A piss poor ending to a great band.

Boy, ain't that the flippin' truth!

R.I.P. VH!