Journey To Record Dallas For DVD

[NoMoreTails]

I kinda have to agree with OhSherrie...the review at least reviewed the show...that is more than some critics do. I just wish a critic could tell that he was comparing Perry's studio voice from 3 decades ago to Augeri's live voice today.

So you feel that the reviewer's remarks about not only Augeri but Neal's "heinous" and "horrid" performance as well could be accurate? This guy did not see the same band I've seen three times in the last month.

[NoMoreTails]

I just wish a critic could tell that he was comparing Perry's studio voice from 3 decades ago to Augeri's live voice today.

As unfair as it may seem to supporters of the current band, that's always going to be the case. I'm not saying this to make anyone mad so please don't take offense to it, but when most people hear the name Journey they expect to hear the Steve Perry even though he himself may not be able to deliver those songs the way he did then. Maybe they would be more forgiving or accepting of him simply because he is Steve Perry, or maybe not. We'll never know.

So now you're saying maybe the reviewer WAS biased?

[The_Noble_Cause]

As unfair as it may seem to supporters of the current band, that's always going to be the case. I'm not saying this to make anyone mad so please don't take offense to it, but when most people hear the name Journey they expect to hear the Steve Perry even though he himself may not be able to deliver those songs the way he did then. Maybe they would be more forgiving or accepting of him simply because he is Steve Perry, or maybe not. We'll never know.

Yeah, Herbie Herbert echoed similar sentiments.

"They're still the real McCoy without Steve Perry. There were several candidates that could do that job. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Steve Perry- because he's the original and because he was a great, great talent-is at his prime better than Steve Augeri, or better than Kevin Chalfant. What you're dealing with there is you're comparing the current reality of Kevin Chalfant or the current reality of Steve Augeri to the memory of Steve Perry. And trust me, that memory is jaded, and dead- ass wrong."

[Red13JoePa]

I'll take the unbiased opinion of the VH guy.

Do you have reason to think the reporter was biased? Maybe he was just looking for something different from the show than VH was. Not everyone likes the same thing. VH is obviously a fan of rock guitar so his focus was probably more on Neal while the reporter seemed to be more interested in the vocals.

Yeah, I figure he's a Perryhead. quote]

[Monker]

"They're still the real McCoy without Steve Perry. There were several candidates that could do that job. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Steve Perry- because he's the original and because he was a great, great talent-is at his prime better than Steve Augeri, or better than Kevin Chalfant. What you're dealing with there is you're comparing the current reality of Kevin Chalfant or the current reality of Steve Augeri to the memory of Steve Perry. And trust me, that memory is jaded, and dead- ass wrong."

Herbie nailed that one perfectly. There are certain people in the world who only accept the memory of Perry prior to 1987. They do not wish to accept the limitations that developed in his voice. So, when comparing him to Chalfant, or Augeri, or any of a number of other singers, they cannot accept that Perry's voice became much more limited in range and clarity then many others...and they will still say Perry is better because of their memories of Perry prior to 1987.

Also, when he says the memory is 'jaded', he is not only talking about vocal ability. He is talking about the entire Steve Perry personna that some of his fans have invented. I'm not sure where this quote came from, but if it is from the "Castles Burning" interview, it was at a time where a LOT of fallacies were being spread about regarding Perry and Journey's relationship. Perry was put into such a lofty position of power and influence that no other member, or Herbie, was given the credit for Journey's success that they deserve. It was happening even more then today. He did NOT have control over the band in 1978-1984 as he did in 1985-1987...and does NOT deserve any more credit for Journey's success then any other member of the band, or Herbie.

The fans were also giving him this personna of perfection. Like he somehow did nothing wrong, or very little, and everything 'bad' was coming from rest of the band. Herbie KNOWS this to be false and that is part of what he is saying in the above, and in the Castles Burning interview.

People put their idols in a very lofty position in their minds and it is not a realistic place.

[Red13JoePa]

[quote="Monker"]
There are certain people in the world who only accept the memory of Perry prior to 1987. "

Spot on.


I'm not sure where this quote came from, but if it is from the "Castles Burning" interview, it was at a time where a LOT of fallacies were being spread about regarding Perry and Journey's relationship.
[quote]

Yes, fallacies were being spread when in reality Perry was just being a phallus.

PS: Yes, I AM the worst quoter. Worse than NIG at his worst during those dark days.

[VH101]

Do you have reason to think the reporter was biased? Maybe he was just looking for something different from the show than VH was. Not everyone likes the same thing. VH is obviously a fan of rock guitar so his focus was probably more on Neal while the reporter seemed to be more interested in the vocals.

Yes, I'm a fan of rock guitar, and was focused on Neal during the beginning of the show. But, after the first intermission, when they started doing popular 80s tunes, I was listening carefully to Augeri.

Like I stated in my first post before the show, I've never been to a Journey concert. My only basis for comparison is what I've heard on the recordings (i.e. recorded Perry vs. live Augeri). I heard no discernible flaw in Augeri's vocals.

Vocals are actually more important to me than guitar. And, in another forum, I'd be glad to tell you who I think the most talented singer to perform with VH is.

[Eric]

ohsherrie:

It is perfectly fair for the ticket buyers to expect that, but not so fair for a paid reviewer not to recognize or note it in a review. A reviewer could even say he's writing it through the common folks eyes/ears....but a footnote saying something is not too much to expect from a professional.

Example: "The crowd was having a great time, however, they could notice that it was not quite the same Steve up there when it came time to hit a famous high note. It should be said though that they may be remembering the high note they heard on their CD in the parking lot."

The reason I am saying this is I just listened to Perry doing "Only the Young" in '94 on that Perry fan site...and YIKES...that was AWFUL compared to the album version...

[Eric]

NoMoreTails:

To be fair....I didn't see "heinous" used and "horrid" was used to detail 2 songs...not an entire performance. I don't think horrid is likely a fair description, but the reviewer REVIEWED the show. I don't think we should get all over critics who actually do this. There are just too many who make fun of Journey for 5 minutes without even attending. This is my only point.

I don't think Schon was given proper respect - and I have e-mailed him that.

And come on...Castronovo even blows friggin Perry off the stage...Ohsherry would start crying if she heard him do "Still they Ride"...

[ohsherrie]

Eric, I see your point.

[jrnyman28]

http://www.guidelive.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/092905dnovejourney.122d8442.html

Funny how the positives of this review were actually the pre-Perry set being cited as "The show's technical high point" and the future with "With more than 75 million albums sold and its 13th studio effort, Generations, about to be released here on Oct. 4, Journey deserves to be revered. "

Usually it is the "hits" that are the highlight.

VH101, please (if you can) leave a review at www.journeymusic.com in the "On The Road" section. I hate it that newspaper reviews that tend to be largerly inaccurate or negative are heard so much more than normal audience members'. Your's is a very valuable review having never seen the band live before. Your's appears to be very un-biased compared to mine and many others on this forum OR Back Talk. I know MY views and TNC's views are only considered unbiased when we are pointing out negatives. If we write something "glowing" it is not taken seriously. Thank you for taking the time here!

[ohsherrie]

Eric,

That first reply was posted before I saw your reply to No More Tails. I see what you're saying in that one too, but you have to remember that not everyone likes Neal's riffs and tangents even though they acknowledge that he's a great guitarist. It's just not a style that appeals to everyone.

As far as Deen's singing, I've heard one of his songs off Generations and he sings well. I haven't heard him sing Still They Ride, but to be honest, I would rather listen to my CDs of Steve singing it (both studio and live)because to me it will always be one of his songs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I was listening carefully to Augeri......I heard no discernible flaw in Augeri's vocals.

Same here when I saw him in AC. I mean I have several boots in my possession where he sounds bad, and I mean really, really, REALLY awful (a particular Osaka 98 boot springs immediately to mind).
However, at AC he knocked me and my dates' socks off. Jaw droppingly flawless. Literally, impeccable.
As far as I'm concerned, this *ahem* so-called "reviewer" is taking the piss in a majorly way, not too mention probably drinking it too.

[NealIsGod]

And come on...Castronovo even blows friggin Perry off the stage...Ohsherry would start crying if she heard him do "Still they Ride"...

The crowd response for this song was probably the strongest of the night when I saw them 2 weeks ago. I looked around and people were stunned by it.

[Red13JoePa]

Mmmmmm NC: ever heard his first show SF in 98?

HHhhhooooooooooooooooooooo boy.


I got a Tokyo 98 where he's on. but that 1st show he was prety bad.
That's relatively speaking of course....it was a wholly professional performance, just nothing like he started doing later that year and since.

[VH101]

VH101, please (if you can) leave a review at www.journeymusic.com in the "On The Road" section. ...Thank you for taking the time here!

Done!

You're quite welcome.

[NoMoreTails]

There are just too many who make fun of Journey for 5 minutes without even attending. This is my only point."

I agree with this.

And come on...Castronovo even blows friggin Perry off the stage...Ohsherry would start crying if she heard him do "Still they Ride"...

I can't agree here. While I think Deen is an awesome singer and kills on STR--his voice has a touch of rasp to it that is great for the 80s Perry sound--he is not IMO near the singer that Augeri is.

[Red13JoePa]

And come on...Castronovo even blows friggin Perry off the stage...Ohsherry would start crying if she heard him do "Still they Ride"...

I can't agree here. While I think Deen is an awesome singer and kills on STR--his voice has a touch of rasp to it that is great for the 80s Perry sound--he is not IMO near the singer that Augeri is.[/quote]

Agree with this. Based, of course, only on A Better Life. Deen's definately good, but maybe overrated. He's no Augeri.

[mnmsjrny]

Mmmmmm NC: ever heard his first show SF in 98?

HHhhhooooooooooooooooooooo boy.


I got a Tokyo 98 where he's on. but that 1st show he was prety bad.
That's relatively speaking of course....it was a wholly professional performance, just nothing like he started doing later that year and since.

Just curious... would this be the VERY first performance in June of '98 at the Marin Civic Center or the first tour stop in SF proper in December that year?

[NealIsGod]

While I think Deen is an awesome singer and kills on STR--his voice has a touch of rasp to it that is great for the 80s Perry sound--he is not IMO near the singer that Augeri is.

I agree, Deen has a great voice for melodic 80's style rock.

[Red13JoePa]

Mmmmmm NC: ever heard his first show SF in 98?

HHhhhooooooooooooooooooooo boy.


I got a Tokyo 98 where he's on. but that 1st show he was prety bad.
That's relatively speaking of course....it was a wholly professional performance, just nothing like he started doing later that year and since.

Just curious... would this be the VERY first performance in June of '98 at the Marin Civic Center or the first tour stop in SF proper in December that year?

Very 1st in June, '98. Marin. Very Special for that reason. You could tell the talent was there but he was nervous and off. I know at least NIG and Abita and Deano have this show too.

[NealIsGod]

Speaking of Deano... come back, bro!!!!!

[ohsherrie]

Vocals are actually more important to me than guitar. And, in another forum, I'd be glad to tell you who I think the most talented singer to perform with VH is.

I haven't really listened to much of VH since Diamond Dave left, but I'd be glad to discuss it. Which forum would that be?

[yak]

I'm not saying this to make anyone mad so please don't take offense to it,

Of course not. None taken, especially considering where it comes from.

...but when most people hear the name Journey they expect to hear the Steve Perry even though he himself may not be able to deliver those songs the way he did then.

No they don't ...Not anymore. So sorry to burst your bubble. The band rocks, and puts on an amazing show. Steve Augeri is an awesome rock singer. The audience loves him. The audience is definitely into this band. They wouldn't be coming to the gate with tickets already in hand if they only wanted to see Perry. They come to hear their favorite 80's tunes the way Steve Augeri sings them. And hear a great rock band remind them of what else Journey is capable of.

And come on...Castronovo even blows friggin Perry off the stage...Ohsherry would start crying if she heard him do "Still they Ride"...

Deen left me speechless when he sang "Still They Ride." The guy is a phenomenal singer.

Ohsherrie would get a broken heart if she heard Deen sing "Still They Ride," but of course she would never admit it, and of course she's not trying to anger anyone by posting what she "thinks."

She simply likes living in the past.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Mmmmmm NC: ever heard his first show SF in 98?

HHhhhooooooooooooooooooooo boy.

You mean the one where he screws up on "Remember Me"?
I have only 4 tracks from his debut show with the guys.
They all sounded pretty good though.

[Red13JoePa]

Yep, bothched the intro to it (wrong song) and then some lyrics.
Thought it was a lot better in Osaka, 2001.