Steve Perry Shallow?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri sounds like a bad karaoke rendition of the songs that Steve Perry and Journey made famous.

No he doesn't. I saw him on Sept. 3rd at the Borgata and he was nothing short of brilliant. Didn't miss a single high note. Perry couldn't have even done it better.

I think even he knows it..

Based on what?

[Red13JoePa]

Augeri sounds like a bad karaoke rendition of the songs that Steve Perry and Journey made famous.
I think even he knows it.

Nah.
Maybe he just thinks he sounds enough like Perry used to that he can continue on in the lead singer's role.

Dude, I challenge you to buy Generations. It's out today.

[NoMoreTails]

Augeri sounds like a bad karaoke rendition of the songs that Steve Perry and Journey made famous.
I think even he knows it.

What new songs did they play at the show you attended and what did you think about them?

[linnie_villa]

Augeri sounds like a bad karaoke rendition of the songs that Steve Perry and Journey made famous.
I think even he knows it.

Nah.
Maybe he just thinks he sounds enough like Perry used to that he can continue on in the lead singer's role.

Dude, I challenge you to buy Generations. It's out today.

That's just it, I think I would respect him and his singing alot more if he would do more of himself and less of Steve Perry. The problem is...people WANT Steve Perry.

[linnie_villa]

Augeri sounds like a bad karaoke rendition of the songs that Steve Perry and Journey made famous.
I think even he knows it.

What new songs did they play at the show you attended and what did you think about them?

I haven't heard them live, just on CDs and video. I heard Augeri say "Anyone want my job?" after his voice cracked during a song. It's sad cause I think he is talented but this way, he isn't allowed to make a name for himself.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's just it, I think I would respect him and his singing alot more if he would do more of himself

What do you mean "more of himself"?
Do you mean more of his own material?

The problem is...people WANT Steve Perry.

No. The problem is you want Steve Perry.
The thousands of concertgoers I was with, were all there to see the band, Journey.

[Red13JoePa]

Red13JoePa wrote:
linnie_villa wrote:
Augeri sounds like a bad karaoke rendition of the songs that Steve Perry and Journey made famous.
I think even he knows it.


Nah.
Maybe he just thinks he sounds enough like Perry used to that he can continue on in the lead singer's role.

Dude, I challenge you to buy Generations. It's out today.


That's just it, I think I would respect him and his singing alot more if he would do more of himself and less of Steve Perry. The problem is...people WANT Steve Perry."

Well, after hearing most of his recorded work to date, I have a feeling that that timbre and vocal sound IS Steve Augeri. I have never know him to sound like Lou Gramm or Steve Walsh.

One of the comical paradoxes of this debate, bro, is the imitibility (or similarity, obviously, in Augeri's case) of Steve Perry's inimitable voice.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I haven't heard them live, just on CDs and video. I heard Augeri say "Anyone want my job?" after his voice cracked during a song.

What cd was this one? Would love to hear it. Everyone has off-nights.

It's sad cause I think he is talented but this way, he isn't allowed to make a name for himself.

Save your empathy.
I'm sure Augeri is perfectly content being a wealthy unknown.

[linnie_villa]

That's just it, I think I would respect him and his singing alot more if he would do more of himself

What do you mean "more of himself"?
Do you mean more of his own material?

Instead of hearing him sing the songs that we've all heard Steve Perry sing.

The problem is...people WANT Steve Perry.

No. The problem is you want Steve Perry.
The thousands of concertgoers I was with, were all there to see the band, Journey.

Ok, I'll agree with you on this. I do prefer Steve Perry to sing the songs that I've heard his voice sing. I am excited to hear their new stuff and Augeri let go and feel free to put his own twist on lyrics. Journey is an awesome group of musicians!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Instead of hearing him sing the songs that we've all heard Steve Perry sing.

That won't happen until current Augeri Journey has a hit song on the radio. If "Remember Me" couldn't do it, and "Higher Place" couldn't do it. Then NO song by this lineup will manage to irrupt onto the airwaves. Until the new stuff is heard by the mainstream masses, the band has absolutely no reason to leave the classics behind.

Ok, I'll agree with you on this. I do prefer Steve Perry to sing the songs that I've heard his voice sing.

Yep. Sadly though, he is retired by his own volition. From here on out, it's either Augeri or bust.

Journey is an awesome group of musicians!

Indeed.

[jrnyman28]

linnie_villa, welcome to the board.

What brought you here? I am curious if it has anything to do with the release of new material today or if something else led you to our little corner of the world!

I would also suggest you spend some time reading through a lot of the posts on this board. Much of what you have stated, has been rebuked (and supported) by others on this board. Most of your points are somewhat 'tired' to those of us who have been here quite a while. Many of your arguements started before Journey even released Arrival. So, if a reply seems snotty, rude or aggressive to you, please don't take it personally. Just understand that there are many frustrated fans in Journeyland...

[NealIsGod]

Great avatar, linnievilla.

[Red13JoePa]

NIG's all about the vintage look, especially as it applies to Neal.

[linnie_villa]

Thanks to both of you...actually I was just surfing and luckily found you guys. I don't have many folks around me that can sit and talk about this stuff for hours, lol

I have been reading some of the old posts and you're right jrnyman, i do have alot of catching up to do

So what is the fav topic around here? Is there anything new, besides the new release (which I unfortunately haven't gotten a hold of)?

[jrnyman28]

The tour was huge, but almost over.
A couple of nights ago Journey gave away the custom Ness/Journey motorcycle. I did not hear how much money they rasied for the TJ Martel Foundation though.
New CD available in stores today.
New DVD possible, along with a rumored TV special, filmed on THIS tour.
New DVD of the 1981 Houston show possible before Christmas.

[linnie_villa]

NIG's all about the vintage look, especially as it applies to Neal.

hey, Neal is an all around badass, if I do say so myself.
Vintage is key
I'll see what else I can round up for you NIG.

[NealIsGod]

NIG's all about the vintage look, especially as it applies to Neal.

hey, Neal is an all around badass, if I do say so myself.
Vintage is key
I'll see what else I can round up for you NIG.

Your avatar is my favorite Journey picture. Everyone looked their best in that one.

[linnie_villa]

The tour was huge, but almost over.

yeah, Houston got jipped with the possible hurricane & stuff but at least it's only been postponed and not completely cancelled.

New DVD of the 1981 Houston show possible before Christmas.

This I am anxious to see.

[jwsw_jeff]

(1) Steve Perry is an amazing singer. Anyone who listens to "the hits" and comes away with anything less is being dishonest. Really, he was amazing.

(2) That was then. Listen to Trial By Fire and Raised On Radio. ROR was the album that made me drift away from Journey. Arrival is what brought me back. And I didn't realize it wasn't Steve Perry until I had listened to it for a month. D'oh!

(3) I think the fact that Steve A. can go out night after night and belt out someone else's music and do such a damn good job with it speaks volumes for *his* musical talents. Is he Steve Perry? No. Is he as good or better than Perry? Debatable. IMHO, I think so. What I believe more than anything is that the absence of the ego Perry brings is worth any percieved loss in lead vocal quality.

Then they played a song from Arrival cd ( Augeri of course) & then they played ''Wheel In The Sky'' with Augeri singing. After hearing Steve Perry sing, so many songs back to back, & then Augeri singing, it really SHOWS "the difference" in these two singers talents & what makes Perry the GREATER talent between them!

(4) It really bothers me when you compare apples to oranges. Saying that Perry in studio sounds better than Steve A. live is nothing but a bad argument. Hell, I can't sing worth a crap, but I KNOW that in the studio, a producer could make me sound great. I own "Greatest Hits Live" which was recorded in 1998, and sorry - but Perry is not that wonderful. I feel like his freakin ego bleeds through on every track, and I CANNOT listen to it. Some of you make it sound like he should look like Jesus in an old oil painting, complete with golden aura or something.

Having this conversation with "Steve 'I Hate Augieri' Perry" Fans is like woody telling buzz that he's a toy... PERRY... IS... A... SINGER! Not some kind of god. Or space ranger, for that matter.

Huh? Sorry, that was random.

Steve A. is an excellent live singer, and I enjoyed the Las Vegas Journey show as much or more than any concert I have ever seen.

One reason I am getting on a plane this weekend and flying to Phoenix and seeing them again.

No. The problem is you want Steve Perry.
The thousands of concertgoers I was with, were all there to see the band, Journey.

HAHAHAHA So true. If Perry fans want to see him so badly, pressure him to make a new album and go on tour. I don't see it happening.

TWO FINAL POINTS before I get off my soapbox.

I am always amused by the folks who keep asking when Journey's last hit record was. My answer would be - back when melodic rock had a place on commercal radio. Melodic rock is NOT a popular form of music at the moment, it has been overtaken by alternative rock and all the rap bullshit. You can't really put a new record on a classic rock station, so that's an oxymoron. Then, sony didn't support arrival promotionally, and I am sure their new label won't either.

The next time someone asks me when Journey's last hit record was in a sarcastic manner, I would probably answer "the last time melodic rock was considered part of popular music!" It's all relative.

OK, last one.

Steve Perry has put out some pretty good solo efforts in his time. Well, 2 albums and at best 3 singles. His latest, "Greatest Hits & Five Unreleased" is a damn embarassment. It is highlighted by "writing demos" and the few songs people remember - how can you have a greatest hits solo record with three popular singles? At least Journey is out there making music - good NEW music.

However, I personally like some of his CD "For the love of strange medicine," and specifically "You Better Wait." I think the album version of this cut so totally exemplifies everything I love and hate about Steve Perry.

Nearly The first full minute of this song is Perry showing off his (diminishing, aging) vocal talent, which is good - but not something I want to listen to as a song. It doesn't make me want to rock out, dance, tap my foot, go pee - anything. It's just... there. Then after that, the song kicks in and although inconsistent from a tempo standpoint, is pretty darn good. Personally, I think it's good because he did everything possible to copy the style of Journey. Oh wait, might as well be Journey from Raised on Radio... his complete control over that work is striking and obvious when compared to For the love of strange medicine. It's nearly the same damn record.

People say that Steve A. is a poor imitation of Perry, but I think Perry alone is a poor imitation of THE BAND Journey.

Now, I wasn't a fly on the wall when it all went down, but my guess is Perry had one of his trademark fits regarding creative control and told the guys they couldn't do it, and if they didn't accede to his wishes, he would quit and they woud be screwed because (after all) *he* was journey. If that was the case, hopefully the boys from the bay have a toast in Perry's honor every night before they go out on stage.

I love it all, but I sure am glad the current band it out there. Best of luck to all of them.

[jrnyman28]

Quite the post Jeff!
Some I agree with, some I don't.

I own "Greatest Hits Live" which was recorded in 1998, and sorry - but Perry is not that wonderful. I feel like his freakin ego bleeds through on every track, and I CANNOT listen to it. Some of you make it sound like he should look like Jesus in an old oil painting, complete with golden aura or something.

I felt it important to point out that GHL was not recorded in 1998. It was released then. The material was recorded (I believe) from the Frontiers Tour.

[ohsherrie]

(1) Steve Perry is an amazing singer. Anyone who listens to "the hits" and comes away with anything less is being dishonest. Really, he was amazing.

(2) That was then. Listen to Trial By Fire and Raised On Radio. ROR was the album that made me drift away from Journey. Arrival is what brought me back. And I didn't realize it wasn't Steve Perry until I had listened to it for a month. D'oh!

(3) I think the fact that Steve A. can go out night after night and belt out someone else's music and do such a damn good job with it speaks volumes for *his* musical talents. Is he Steve Perry? No. Is he as good or better than Perry? Debatable. IMHO, I think so. What I believe more than anything is that the absence of the ego Perry brings is worth any percieved loss in lead vocal quality.

Then they played a song from Arrival cd ( Augeri of course) & then they played ''Wheel In The Sky'' with Augeri singing. After hearing Steve Perry sing, so many songs back to back, & then Augeri singing, it really SHOWS "the difference" in these two singers talents & what makes Perry the GREATER talent between them!

(4) It really bothers me when you compare apples to oranges. Saying that Perry in studio sounds better than Steve A. live is nothing but a bad argument. Hell, I can't sing worth a crap, but I KNOW that in the studio, a producer could make me sound great. I own "Greatest Hits Live" which was recorded in 1998, and sorry - but Perry is not that wonderful. I feel like his freakin ego bleeds through on every track, and I CANNOT listen to it. Some of you make it sound like he should look like Jesus in an old oil painting, complete with golden aura or something.

Having this conversation with "Steve 'I Hate Augieri' Perry" Fans is like woody telling buzz that he's a toy... PERRY... IS... A... SINGER! Not some kind of god. Or space ranger, for that matter.

Huh? Sorry, that was random.

Steve A. is an excellent live singer, and I enjoyed the Las Vegas Journey show as much or more than any concert I have ever seen.

One reason I am getting on a plane this weekend and flying to Phoenix and seeing them again.

No. The problem is you want Steve Perry.
The thousands of concertgoers I was with, were all there to see the band, Journey.

HAHAHAHA So true. If Perry fans want to see him so badly, pressure him to make a new album and go on tour. I don't see it happening.

TWO FINAL POINTS before I get off my soapbox.

I am always amused by the folks who keep asking when Journey's last hit record was. My answer would be - back when melodic rock had a place on commercal radio. Melodic rock is NOT a popular form of music at the moment, it has been overtaken by alternative rock and all the rap bullshit. You can't really put a new record on a classic rock station, so that's an oxymoron. Then, sony didn't support arrival promotionally, and I am sure their new label won't either.

The next time someone asks me when Journey's last hit record was in a sarcastic manner, I would probably answer "the last time melodic rock was considered part of popular music!" It's all relative.

OK, last one.

Steve Perry has put out some pretty good solo efforts in his time. Well, 2 albums and at best 3 singles. His latest, "Greatest Hits & Five Unreleased" is a damn embarassment. It is highlighted by "writing demos" and the few songs people remember - how can you have a greatest hits solo record with three popular singles? At least Journey is out there making music - good NEW music.

However, I personally like some of his CD "For the love of strange medicine," and specifically "You Better Wait." I think the album version of this cut so totally exemplifies everything I love and hate about Steve Perry.

Nearly The first full minute of this song is Perry showing off his (diminishing, aging) vocal talent, which is good - but not something I want to listen to as a song. It doesn't make me want to rock out, dance, tap my foot, go pee - anything. It's just... there. Then after that, the song kicks in and although inconsistent from a tempo standpoint, is pretty darn good. Personally, I think it's good because he did everything possible to copy the style of Journey. Oh wait, might as well be Journey from Raised on Radio... his complete control over that work is striking and obvious when compared to For the love of strange medicine. It's nearly the same damn record.

People say that Steve A. is a poor imitation of Perry, but I think Perry alone is a poor imitation of THE BAND Journey.

Now, I wasn't a fly on the wall when it all went down, but my guess is Perry had one of his trademark fits regarding creative control and told the guys they couldn't do it, and if they didn't accede to his wishes, he would quit and they woud be screwed because (after all) *he* was journey. If that was the case, hopefully the boys from the bay have a toast in Perry's honor every night before they go out on stage.

I love it all, but I sure am glad the current band it out there. Best of luck to all of them.

I was going to reply, but, oh, forget it.

[NoMoreTails]

(3) I think the fact that Steve A. can go out night after night and belt out someone else's music and do such a damn good job with it speaks volumes for *his* musical talents. Is he Steve Perry? No. Is he as good or better than Perry? Debatable. IMHO, I think so. What I believe more than anything is that the absence of the ego Perry brings is worth any percieved loss in lead vocal quality.

(4) It really bothers me when you compare apples to oranges. Saying that Perry in studio sounds better than Steve A. live is nothing but a bad argument.... I own "Greatest Hits Live" which was recorded in 1998, and sorry - but Perry is not that wonderful. I feel like his freakin ego bleeds through on every track, and I CANNOT listen to it.

The next time someone asks me when Journey's last hit record was in a sarcastic manner, I would probably answer "the last time melodic rock was considered part of popular music!" It's all relative.

Now, I wasn't a fly on the wall when it all went down, but my guess is Perry had one of his trademark fits regarding creative control and told the guys they couldn't do it, and if they didn't accede to his wishes, he would quit and they woud be screwed because (after all) *he* was journey. If that was the case, hopefully the boys from the bay have a toast in Perry's honor every night before they go out on stage.

I love it all, but I sure am glad the current band it out there. Best of luck to all of them.

Great points.

[heardonthestreet]

You want vintage?

[jrnyman28]

Thanks for that pic HOTS...I LOVE IT! And the CREEM quote!

[heardonthestreet]

Your welcome, Dave!

[NealIsGod]

How can you worship Perry? Even the nose knows the 'fro is King!!

[heardonthestreet]

I thought that you think Neal is God? Make up your mind.