Generations

[Rockindeano]

Bullshit. I can't believe I am talking Journey during a hockey game, but o well...

Steve doesn't deserve anything over Deen IMO, if Deen is better and the song is better.. WTF kind of sick pathetic poor me argument is that?

May the best win..Ever heard that?

[The_Noble_Cause]

May the best win..Ever heard that?

I take it you mean, "may the best man win"?
And yes, I have heard of it.
However, I am not so sure how it applies to a democratic situation, to a rock band-where everyone is supposed to work together for a common goal.
You can't have different musicians pulling apart, competitively vying for fame and fortune at the expense of one of their brothers.
That's some Perry-esque machiavellian tripe, ur promoting.

[Guest]

May the best win..Ever heard that?

I take it you mean, "may the best man win"?
And yes, I have heard of it.
However, I am not so sure how it applies to a democratic situation, to a rock band-where everyone is supposed to work together for a common goal.
You can't have different musicians pulling apart, competitively vying for fame and fortune at the expense of one of their brothers.
That's some Perry-esque machiavellian tripe, ur promoting.

Just an observation Noble Cause, but why do you bother responding to such insulting rubbish? It's painfully obvious that you are educated beyond the 5th grade and this Deano person, well, he sounds like he's from Harlem.
Just my opinion....

[Eric]

I agree....it doesn't go anywhere. However, the music on the radio today doesn't go anywhere...so maybe that would work! HOOOOH

[NoMoreTails]

Although I agree ABL is a good song, I think it would have had only similar success to say...After The Fall...perhaps if it was released in the 80s, I think its too mid-tempo for these times. I think now they have to go with a true rocker or a true ballad. TPIYH was the best choice for the first single as its so Journey. FITH and OOHW however, I think would possibly have the best chance of making an impact with any sort of new audience.

[ohsherrie]

Believe it or not, TPIYH and ABL are two of the songs I've heard. For whatever it's worth, I think TPIYH is the better of the two. I really wouldn't even have a clue as to which would be more likely to make it in today's music world though.

[NealIsGod]

Believe it or not, TPIYH and ABL are two of the songs I've heard. For whatever it's worth, I think TPIYH is the better of the two. I really wouldn't even have a clue as to which would be more likely to make it in today's music world though.

It's great to hear you discuss new Journey songs, ohsherrie. I agree with you. I think TPIYH is the best radio song Journey has recorded since the Frontiers album. I know you like WYLAW off of TBF, and I agree that is a good radio song for lite stations or mix stations, but TPIYH is a great song for rock stations, IMO.

[ohsherrie]

Believe it or not, TPIYH and ABL are two of the songs I've heard. For whatever it's worth, I think TPIYH is the better of the two. I really wouldn't even have a clue as to which would be more likely to make it in today's music world though.

It's great to hear you discuss new Journey songs, ohsherrie. I agree with you. I think TPIYH is the best radio song Journey has recorded since the Frontiers album. I know you like WYLAW off of TBF, and I agree that is a good radio song for lite stations or mix stations, but TPIYH is a great song for rock stations, IMO.

I don't listen to rock radio so I don't really know what would make it on there. I listen to classic rock and a sort of middle of the road type station that plays a good mix of old and new stuff. It's the station I heard the most TBF and FTLOSM songs on. I think this song could do OK on there if it got some good promotion.

[NealIsGod]

I don't listen to rock radio so I don't really know what would make it on there. I listen to classic rock and a sort of middle of the road type station that plays a good mix of old and new stuff. It's the station I heard the most TBF and FTLOSM songs on. I think this song could do OK on there if it got some good promotion.

I listen to rock and classic rock stations mostly, but don't recall any TBF or FTLOSM songs on the radio, except for WYLAW on lite or mix stations. I am sure it was on in other parts of the country, but I remember being frustrated that I never heard it on the radio here.

Were there any other singles released from TBF?

[sadie65]

I don't know how mgmt. feels, but I do not like the idea of a Journey hit with someone else on vocals. Steve deserves the recognition. After he has a hit, they can release what ever they want IMO.

As for "not going anywhere", I agree. The song does not build. It does not change tempo, or rhythm, or scale. It is a great song lyrically and Deen sings it well. It has an interesting lyric pattern over the beat (much like Send Her My Love did). But it "goes" nowhere. Open Arms built up nicely. AWYWI did to.

I find this an interesting viewpoint. Not to take anything away from Steve, because he has done a really great job in a difficult role, but wouldn't it serve the band the best to have any song from this cd released if it somehow caught? While I sadly think that radio has bypassed bands like Journey, I think if they were lucky enough to catch a break then perhaps something sung by Steve might be given more of a chance. Get the foot in the door again, so to speak.

[ohsherrie]

I listen to rock and classic rock stations mostly, but don't recall any TBF or FTLOSM songs on the radio, except for WYLAW on lite or mix stations. I am sure it was on in other parts of the country, but I remember being frustrated that I never heard it on the radio here.

Were there any other singles released from TBF?

The station I listen to has changed hands and changed format somewhat since the '90s. They used to play more album cuts, and late at night sometimes entire albums. They don't do that anymore. Now it's just singles that are released to radio. I heard WYLAW, Message of Love, and If He Should Break Your Heart on there, as well as several cuts off FTLOSM. At that time I did listen to a local rock station occasionally, before so much of it got impossible to listen to, and I heard Message of Love on there. I think that station is mostly Britney and Biance type BS now.

[jrnyman28]

Nig,
WYLAW and MOL were released simultaneously as 'lead off' singles. One went to AC, the other went to Rock/CR. I only heard MOL a couple of times, when the wind would blow right and I could get a CR station from Colorado Springs. IHSBYH was the third (and last) single released. I NEVER heard that song on the radio and only found out it was a single a few years later when I found the Sony "Journey Continues" site.

Sadie,
I hear what you are saying. But I truly think Steve should and can get that recognition. Remember Me, if handled properly, would have done it for Journey back in 1998. And then there would be none of these speculative issues concerning Steve and his role in the band. But I guess that is why I want Steve to get the first "hit" or recognition...all the conversations on this board. Remember PF and Lori and HOTS all taking shots at the fact that Steve was not singing all the songs on "Generations and how that MUST mean Journey doesn't have any confidence in him....

[sadie65]

Sadie,
I hear what you are saying. But I truly think Steve should and can get that recognition. Remember Me, if handled properly, would have done it for Journey back in 1998. And then there would be none of these speculative issues concerning Steve and his role in the band. But I guess that is why I want Steve to get the first "hit" or recognition...all the conversations on this board. Remember PF and Lori and HOTS all taking shots at the fact that Steve was not singing all the songs on "Generations and how that MUST mean Journey doesn't have any confidence in him....

I remember the comments. For me, they never applied. Whether or not the band "hits" with Steve A. there will always be speculation about his role in the band. We'll use Styx as the example here. Larry Gowan has been a member of that band well over 6 years. Recently the band had some minor radio success with material he sang lead on. The fans are still arguing/discussing his role in the band and it's validity. The point I'm trying to make, is that if any song gets the band back into the limelight then it's a good thing. And it would hopefully lead to more success and opportunities. And perhaps those opportunities would fall Steve's way. Sadly, it won't change the perception of the people on this board, now will it?

Peace

[NealIsGod]

Hey, as long as Journey and Styx never have to appear on "Hit Me Baby, One More Time", they are doing well!

[NoMoreTails]

Nig,
I hear what you are saying. But I truly think Steve should and can get that recognition. Remember Me, if handled properly, would have done it for Journey back in 1998. And then there would be none of these speculative issues concerning Steve and his role in the band. But I guess that is why I want Steve to get the first "hit" or recognition...all the conversations on this board. Remember PF and Lori and HOTS all taking shots at the fact that Steve was not singing all the songs on "Generations and how that MUST mean Journey doesn't have any confidence in him....

I agree and would like to add, they should put the songs with their best singer out there. And while Deen is a fine singer, he is not of the quality Augeri is.

[sadie65]

Hey, as long as Journey and Styx never have to appear on "Hit Me Baby, One More Time", they are doing well!

Perish the thought! Ack.

[NoMoreTails]

...We'll use Styx as the example here. Larry Gowan has been a member of that band well over 6 years. Recently the band had some minor radio success with material he sang lead on. The fans are still arguing/discussing his role in the band and it's validity.... Sadly, it won't change the perception of the people on this board, now will it?Peace

The hardcore DeYoung/Styx and Perry/Journey fans will always argue these changes.
The general public wouldn't care who's singing just so they like what they're hearing, as they have at the shows.

[sadie65]

...We'll use Styx as the example here. Larry Gowan has been a member of that band well over 6 years. Recently the band had some minor radio success with material he sang lead on. The fans are still arguing/discussing his role in the band and it's validity.... Sadly, it won't change the perception of the people on this board, now will it?Peace

The hardcore DeYoung/Styx and Perry/Journey fans will always argue these changes.
The general public wouldn't care who's singing just so they like what they're hearing, as they have at the shows.

Which was my point about just getting the material released in the first place. The diehards are set in their ways and beliefs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey, as long as Journey and Styx never have to appear on "Hit Me Baby, One More Time", they are doing well!

Perish the thought! Ack.

I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about this for awhile and I say, go for it!
What do the guys have to lose?
The various acts on that show have appeared foolish not so much because they simply stooped to being on it, but because they ALL sucked. All of them.
A band of Journey's caliber has the musical talent to raise the stakes.
Put Journey, Styx, and REO on there for a one night showdown.
It'd be phenomenal.

[sadie65]

Hey, as long as Journey and Styx never have to appear on "Hit Me Baby, One More Time", they are doing well!

Perish the thought! Ack.

I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about this for awhile and I say, go for it!
What do the guys have to lose?
The various acts on that show have appeared foolish not so much because they simply stooped to being on it, but because they ALL sucked. All of them.
A band of Journey's caliber has the musical talent to raise the stakes.
Put Journey, Styx, and REO on there for a one night showdown.
It'd be phenomenal.

Except the show was not well received here and was considered a joke. I think it would show that while the bands have talent, a level of desperation. At least that's my take on it.

[NoMoreTails]

Which was my point about just getting the material released in the first place. The diehards are set in their ways and beliefs.

And that is a good point. But I do agree with Dave that it is important that the first hit from this era of Journey be sung by Steve, he deserves it. He has been gracious in his enthusiasm over the other guys singing, but the singles should be his.
And I don't feel that Deen's song is anywhere near the strongest available to release anyway. I don't feel that Never Too Late is the best candidate either.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey, as long as Journey and Styx never have to appear on "Hit Me Baby, One More Time", they are doing well!

Perish the thought! Ack.

I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about this for awhile and I say, go for it!
What do the guys have to lose?
The various acts on that show have appeared foolish not so much because they simply stooped to being on it, but because they ALL sucked. All of them.
A band of Journey's caliber has the musical talent to raise the stakes.
Put Journey, Styx, and REO on there for a one night showdown.
It'd be phenomenal.

Except the show was not well received here and was considered a joke. I think it would show that while the bands have talent, a level of desperation. At least that's my take on it.

It was considered a joke here, too.
Hell I watched it religiously and even I considered it a joke. But what made it such a joke wasn't only it's cheap production values, it's hammy host, but also largely the jaw-dropping incompetence of the bands.
Put some legit heavyweight players in there and you'd have quite a competition on ur hands.
Just picture it-
"STYX vs. REO vs. Journey: The Main Event Showdown"

Who here can honestly say they wouldn't tune in?

[sadie65]

Which was my point about just getting the material released in the first place. The diehards are set in their ways and beliefs.

And that is a good point. But I do agree with Dave that it is important that the first hit from this era of Journey be sung by Steve, he deserves it. He has been gracious in his enthusiasm over the other guys singing, but the singles should be his.
And I don't feel that Deen's song is anywhere near the strongest available to release anyway. I don't feel that Never Too Late is the best candidate either.

I'm not arguing that Steve doesn't deserve it. I'm saying it's a business, and sometimes business decisions don't reflect emotion. Certainly Steve is a standup guy. Nor am I saying that Never Too Late is the best candidate. Just that if the bands gets recognized by something sung by Deen first, then it could open doors. That's all.

[sadie65]

Hey, as long as Journey and Styx never have to appear on "Hit Me Baby, One More Time", they are doing well!

Perish the thought! Ack.

I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about this for awhile and I say, go for it!
What do the guys have to lose?
The various acts on that show have appeared foolish not so much because they simply stooped to being on it, but because they ALL sucked. All of them.
A band of Journey's caliber has the musical talent to raise the stakes.
Put Journey, Styx, and REO on there for a one night showdown.
It'd be phenomenal.

Except the show was not well received here and was considered a joke. I think it would show that while the bands have talent, a level of desperation. At least that's my take on it.

It was considered a joke here, too.
Hell I watched it religiously and even I considered it a joke. But what made it such a joke wasn't only it's cheap production values, it's hammy host, but also largely the jaw-dropping incompetence of the bands.
Put some legit heavyweight players in there and you'd have quite a competition on ur hands.
Just picture it-
"STYX vs. REO vs. Journey: The Main Event Showdown"

Who here can honestly say they wouldn't tune in?

Considering the show didn't garner an audience, it's doubtful enough would tune in...other than die hards. It's ineptness killed it. Just raising the caliber of the acts doesn't change the perception that the show has. It would more than likely change the perception of the casual fan in a negative way towards both bands.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It would more than likely change the perception of the casual fan in a negative way towards both bands.

Perhaps, but not if all the bands play their respective asses off.
It's hard to dismiss undeniable talent when it's exhibited directly in front of you on-screen. IF, by some slim chance, they suck (like Flock of Seagulls and former teen star,Tiffany, sucked) then yes, the casual fan has every right to chuck his beer can at the screen.

[sadie65]

It would more than likely change the perception of the casual fan in a negative way towards both bands.

Perhaps, but not if all the bands play their respective asses off.
It's hard to dismiss undeniable talent when it's exhibited directly in front of you on-screen. IF, by some slim chance, they suck (like Flock of Seagulls and former teen star,Tiffany, sucked) then yes, the casual fan has every right to chuck his beer can at the screen.

I'm saying I think the show blew it's chance. It now has a reputation. It's doubtful people would consider watching it given ahow bad it was.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm saying I think the show blew it's chance. It now has a reputation. It's doubtful people would consider watching it given ahow bad it was.

Perhaps.

I still think a televised band-off between STYX/REO/Journey is novel.

[sadie65]

I'm saying I think the show blew it's chance. It now has a reputation. It's doubtful people would consider watching it given ahow bad it was.

Perhaps.

I still think a televised band-off between STYX/REO/Journey is novel.

Sure that would be novel. A battle of 70's bands still touring might generate some interest, but most likely not enough. Sadly.

[NealIsGod]

I think TNC is onto something. A great idea for a series would be an hour long show, 20 mins. of each band (4 songs) from the 70's and 80's. But it can't be cheesy - it has to be filmed during a real concert, not on a soundstage. I wouldn't want it to be a competition - just the music. Let's pitch it to the networks!

[ohsherrie]

Which was my point about just getting the material released in the first place. The diehards are set in their ways and beliefs.

And that is a good point. But I do agree with Dave that it is important that the first hit from this era of Journey be sung by Steve, he deserves it. He has been gracious in his enthusiasm over the other guys singing, but the singles should be his.
And I don't feel that Deen's song is anywhere near the strongest available to release anyway. I don't feel that Never Too Late is the best candidate either.

I'm not arguing that Steve doesn't deserve it. I'm saying it's a business, and sometimes business decisions don't reflect emotion. Certainly Steve is a standup guy. Nor am I saying that Never Too Late is the best candidate. Just that if the bands gets recognized by something sung by Deen first, then it could open doors. That's all.

Can I respectfully add my two cents here? (and I do mean respectfully )

Even though I like the song TPIYH better, it's not because of the singer. In these two instances, I think Deen soes every bit as good a job as Steve Augeri. It's just because I think it's a better song. On the issue of which singer should get the first shot at radio, I really don't see why it should make a difference.

The general radio listening public doesn't necessarily associate Steve Augeri's name with Journey. If the point is to getting your band on the radio rather than making your frontman a star, who's singing should be a nonissue. The frontman being too big a star was one of the problems the band had with Steve Perry. If the general public liked Deen better, and the band really wants to go in a new direction, why not mix it up a little?