One thing Mr. Perry has ACKNOWLEDGED to the fans....

[ohsherrie]

Well, we all know that the 2001 DVD was a one-time only agreement between Perry and Journey. Herbie said the guys gave away almost everything to continue as Journey. And it was a special agreement between them and Perry to allow the 2001 DVD release in return for special considerations with the BTM show.

This is something that "we know" or is it one of those urban legend type of things that are stated as truth so often that everyone assumes it's truth? It happens a lot, you know?

Now that the band want to release a NEW dvd with material from Perry-era Journey being sung by Augeri, there appears to be a need for a new agreement.

What makes it appear that way? Is this just a case of fan speculation that hasn't been refuted, or has someone verified it?

Compromise is/will be a big thing for Journey and Perry from here on out.

Yes, it is and, sad as it may be, it's necessary when there are acrimonious feelings and legalities involved. Of course it would be "nicer" if that wasn't the case, but it is in the real business world.

And according to Jeremey from "Frontiers", any video representation of Perry-era footage (original OR re-recorded with Augeri on vocals) MUST have the approval of Perry. It has something to do with the visual representation of Perry-era material. Perry has rights to any representation of any material he was involved with.

Of course, that's as it should be. If you were a public personality in these times wouldn't you be worried about the way your image and work was being used? I'm sure it must be a pretty standard contractual stipulation in these kinds of matters. It just makes sense to me.

[jrnyman28]

This is something that "we know" or is it one of those urban legend type of things that are stated as truth so often that everyone assumes it's truth? It happens a lot, you know?

Well, I have heard it from several sources including Herbie and others close to the band. I do not remember specifically, but I want to say that Neal corroborated this.

What makes it appear that way? Is this just a case of fan speculation that hasn't been refuted, or has someone verified it?

I guess I can clarify this to say that it makes sense that there would be a need for a new agreement. MNM raised the possibility. If there indeed WAS a one-time only agreement for the 2001 DVD, then there would need to be a new agreement for a new DVD.

Of course, that's as it should be. If you were a public personality in these times wouldn't you be worried about the way your image and work was being used? I'm sure it must be a pretty standard contractual stipulation in these kinds of matters. It just makes sense to me.

Actually, I don't even think it is a 'standard contractual stipulation'. I think it is basic right or 'law' in the music/video business world. Kind of a "given", although I know there is no such thing in business.

[ohsherrie]

Thanks Dave. I remember there being a lot of talk about what concessions have been made on both sides, I just don't remember hearing any verification of any of the it. I'm sure both sides feel like they're doing what best for them.

[NoMoreTails]

The videos may be a mutual property, but NOT the WOF footage. That was shot at JPP by one of our committee members. I don't think Emerson signed over the rights to it when he put that part together for the band.

Thanks for the info, I would have thought Journey or management would have had the sense to have Nocturne film such an important event, if they would have been permitted to, from what I've seen Emerson did a fine job to be shooting from the crowd.

[mnmsjrny]

The videos may be a mutual property, but NOT the WOF footage. That was shot at JPP by one of our committee members. I don't think Emerson signed over the rights to it when he put that part together for the band.

Thanks for the info, I would have thought Journey or management would have had the sense to have Nocturne film such an important event, if they would have been permitted to, from what I've seen Emerson did a fine job to be shooting from the crowd.

Well, I should probably be clear that the footage used in Journeyville is NOT the same as the footage that was used on the EPK. The EPK footage was shot by the band's videographer from a different angle. And Emerson was in the press pit inside the barricade, so not exactly "shooting from the crowd".

[NoMoreTails]

Well, I should probably be clear that the footage used in Journeyville is NOT the same as the footage that was used on the EPK. The EPK footage was shot by the band's videographer from a different angle. And Emerson was in the press pit inside the barricade, so not exactly "shooting from the crowd".

That's interesting, why was Emerson's footage used instead of the band videographer's. Was the angle better? I have the Frontiers version and have watched the EPK only a couple of times, and saw the presentation at Journeyville of course, but I can't recall what the differences would be.

Regarding the Fontiers EPK, I wish they had done the DVD thing like Soul Sirkus which included interview footage and the band performing two songs.

[sngrchk04]

It's quite puzzling that his image would be blurred out of the EPK for legal/promotional reasons yet still be shown all over the place at Journey concerts. (Which, I admit, was REALLY weird the first time I saw it.) Far more people are likely to see that footage than the EPK. Presumably, everyone agreed to the Journeyville video so, why would anyone remove Perry's image from the EPK at this point??

Perhaps there's a third possibility that we're not coming up with?? Can't think of what it would be myself, but it does seem strange....

I have 3 words for you, my friend:

CONTROVERSY IS PRESS

........and press equals $$$$.

[NealIsGod]

Yeah, this is going to be all over the papers and give Steve such publicity!

[sngrchk04]

Yeah, this is going to be all over the papers and give Steve such publicity!

Hey - it 's not THIS place that's gonna do it: it's irresponsible reporters that mention a departed lead singer six times in the first paragraph of a 4-paragraph article about the current Journey that will take care of that just fine!

[ohsherrie]

Hey - it 's not THIS place that's gonna do it: it's irresponsible reporters that mention a departed lead singer six times in the first paragraph of a 4-paragraph article about the current Journey that will take care of that just fine!

Good point Nora.

[NealIsGod]

I'm just saying Perry's face being blurred out of the Generations EPK is hardly a controversy, and a news outlet would have to be pretty hard up for stories to report it.

[ohsherrie]

I'm just saying Perry's face being blurred out of the Generations EPK is hardly a controversy, and a news outlet would have to be pretty hard up for stories to report it.

Yes, that's true too NIG.