Now That Steve Perry Maybe Begins To Realize He's Wanted...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I mean, c'mon - he was trying to get the FTLOSM thing off the ground....and LO AND BEHOLD....there's Neal and Mgmt - from out of the blue

Oh please. How does Neal fit into this? Sony coaxed Perry into calling Jon about re-teaming with Journey (in return for promoting one last FTLOSM single). At that point, Neal was ready to move on with a whole new Journey lineup involving Chalfant and Rolie. How did Neal in any way impede Perry from doing the music he wanted to do?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Steve has shown enough class to keep from slinging cracks about them.

Maybe that's because he knows he's the guy at fault.
Ever think of that?
The perpetrator of a crime doesn't speak ill of others, he keeps his mouth shut and lays low until suspicions fade away.


Neal and Jonathan didn't feign a hip injury and renege on a multi-million dollar advance on a tour.

[sngrchk04]

How did Neal in any way impede Perry from doing the music he wanted to do?

WHATEVER

[The_Noble_Cause]

How did Neal in any way impede Perry from doing the music he wanted to do?

Neal; Schmeal.....GOD you split hairs

Is THIS better?

"I mean, c'mon - he was trying to get the FTLOSM thing off the ground....and LO AND BEHOLD....there's Journey's Mgmt - from out of the blue" :

No, that's not better, as you are still showing your ignorance. It was Sony (as verified by the FTLOSM drummer, Moyes Lucas) that contacted and convinced Perry to contact Jonathan about re-teaming with Journey. As Moyes confirms on his website, Perry was coaxed into re-joining Journey under the impression that Sony would promote one last FTLOSM single.
Neal or Journey management didn't contact Steve Perry.
Go brush up on your history, lady.
Your God sits on his keester all day collecting royalties because HE ALONE chooses to do so.
Deal with it.

[Andrew]

Steve Perry - The Great Mowtown Songbook Volume One.

There ya go...I'll put $5 on it

[The_Noble_Cause]

How did Neal in any way impede Perry from doing the music he wanted to do?

WHATEVER

No, not whatever.
You were caught propagating lies and if you had even a scintila of integrity you would own up to it.

You can't blame Journey management for causing Steve to depart his FTLOSM bandmates in 1995.
Maybe you forget, but at that juncture in time Journey wasn't even in existence.
What Journey management?
Fool.

[Monker]

I mean, c'mon - he was trying to get the FTLOSM thing off the ground....and LO AND BEHOLD....there's Neal and Mgmt - from out of the blue

That just isn't true. It was SONY who pushed both Journey and Perry back together. They made the deal with Perry, according to Moyes anyway, to release the single if he would do Journey...and they told Journey they wouldn't accept the Rollie/Chalfant version of the band...because they wanted the lineup that sold the most albums.

Journey management (in other words, Herbie) were not involved. In fact, I would think Herbie would have prererred the Rolie/Chalfant version.

Finaly, the 'reunion' talk with Perry didn't happen right after FTLOSM started to 'get off the ground'. It was way into it, after Perry started canceling and recanceling shows because of "asthmatic bronchitis". I would say it started happening after FTLOSM started going down the toilet. Convenient timing for Perry.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I mean, c'mon - he was trying to get the FTLOSM thing off the ground....and LO AND BEHOLD....there's Neal and Mgmt - from out of the blue

That just isn't true. It was SONY who pushed both Journey and Perry back together. They made the deal with Perry, according to Moyes anyway, to release the single if he would do Journey...and they told Journey they wouldn't accept the Rollie/Chalfant version of the band...because they wanted the lineup that sold the most albums.

Journey management (in other words, Herbie) were not involved. In fact, I would think Herbie would have prererred the Rolie/Chalfant version.

Finaly, the 'reunion' talk with Perry didn't happen right after FTLOSM started to 'get off the ground'. It was way into it, after Perry started canceling and recanceling shows because of "asthmatic bronchitis". I would say it started happening after FTLOSM started going down the toilet. Convenient timing for Perry.

Exactly what I said.
Of course, Sngrck didn't concede to being caught proliferating lies, but recreantly headed for the hills.

[OpeningAct]

Steve Perry - The Great Mowtown Songbook Volume One.

There ya go...I'll put $5 on it

Rod Stewart did the same with American classics....I think it's a great idea Andrew!

[ohsherrie]

Steve Perry - The Great Mowtown Songbook Volume One.

There ya go...I'll put $5 on it

I'd pay a lot more than that for it.

[Rockindeano]

WHATEVER

Come on! We can all agree to argue, but saying "whatever" just shows a complete lack of either debating skills, factual knowledge or admits defeat..Take your pick. I know you are smarter than that Sngrchick..you usually make coherent arguments, but I gotta tell ya, on this Perry episode, you are slumping worse than W's poll numbers...pretty bad...

I want to hear your take...Now regroup, and bring it!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Come on! We can all agree to argue, but saying "whatever" just shows a complete lack of either debating skills, factual knowledge or admits defeat..Take your pick. I know you are smarter than that Sngrchick..you usually make coherent arguments, but I gotta tell ya, on this Perry episode, you are slumping worse than W's poll numbers...pretty bad...

I want to hear your take...Now regroup, and bring it!

She edited her post and replaced what she had wrote with the curtly unsatisfying "WHATEVER".
Initially she had put up a legitimate defense and argued her stance, unfortunately, it was still factually inaccurate. Like many Perryfanatics, she made up her own revisionist history where Perry is absolved of all wrongdoing and of course, everything is somehow Neal Schon's fault.
Here was her initial argument before she edited it:

How did Neal in any way impede Perry from doing the music he wanted to do?

Neal; Schmeal.....GOD you split hairs

Is THIS better?

"I mean, c'mon - he was trying to get the FTLOSM thing off the ground....and LO AND BEHOLD....there's Journey's Mgmt - from out of the blue" :

Either way she is wrong. Perry leaving the FTLOSM band was neither the fault of Neal nor Journey's management (who actually didn't even exist at that juncture in time). After I proved her wrong, she changed her post to simply "whatever". What a coward. A person with even a modicum of class would have owned up to their mistakes.

[Rockindeano]

Hell, if I am called out, and proved, wrong, you really can't hide....Too many intelligent poeple on the particular board; a lot more intelligence than all of the other bands boards combined....

Mught as well admit you are fried, and go on. Take your lumps. I have done it a few times, BUT, am proud to say, I have succeeded in blowing shit up more than getting blown up

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hell, if I am called out, and proved, wrong, you really can't hide....Too many intelligent poeple on the particular board; a lot more intelligence than all of the other bands boards combined....

Mught as well admit you are fried, and go on. Take your lumps. I have done it a few times, BUT, am proud to say, I have succeeded in blowing shit up more than getting blown up

I have done likewise, comrade.
The last thing I'd do is resort to editing my posts to make it seem like I wasn't directly caught in a lie.
That's just pathetic.

[Rockindeano]

Come on Dean, this has been discussed on this and other boards enough that you know what I'm talking about. Of course there was nothing overtly critical, but Neal has made comments in several interviews that were obvious digs.

I honestly think Neal has been the one to offer the olive branch..He has said many times Perry can come sit in, Perry should be heard again, etc.

Perry meanwhile has jabbed Journey, saying about DSB.."The fans really know know what Journey was all about." That pissed me off. If there is NO Journey now, he should refuse his 1/6 cut paycheck..bastard.

[NoMoreTails]

He definitely doesn't have why I want to hear, even when he still had the ability, he hardly ever sang with the rock edge I wanted to hear.

I don't think that rock edge is what most people would buy a Steve Perry cd for. He's about melody and emotion. That's what his fans want.

I agree that would be what people would expect, so would I. I wouldn't want Perry with a rock edge either, it would be unnatural and forced, which is why I'm glad he's no longer with Journey.
My reply was to your statement about Perry not having what we want to hear, it was only to say that he never quite had what I wanted to hear, a rock singer vibe or attitude. Journey finally has a singer with both the voice and the rock influence.

[ohsherrie]

Come on Dean, this has been discussed on this and other boards enough that you know what I'm talking about. Of course there was nothing overtly critical, but Neal has made comments in several interviews that were obvious digs.

I honestly think Neal has been the one to offer the olive branch..He has said many times Perry can come sit in, Perry should be heard again, etc.

Perry meanwhile has jabbed Journey, saying about DSB.."The fans really know know what Journey was all about." That pissed me off. If there is NO Journey now, he should refuse his 1/6 cut paycheck..bastard.

I think those "olive branches" were only offered surrounding the Bammies WOF and HWOF things, it only made PR sense for him to do that. Of course he would LOVE to have Steve make an appearance at one of their shows, that would be the best PR he could ever hope for.

Dean, I really think you read to much into innocent remarks like that. It could really be that he meant "Journey as he knew it". How could he possibly comment on what the band is about now? He's not part of it.

[Red13JoePa]

That'd be fine by me, too bro. Some tunes along the lines of YBW. Acutally, I pulled down FTLOSM and spun it a few times after I watched the Perry Beacon show a few times. Those live version of those tracks enhanced my enjoyment of the record. I dislike ballads as a rule, but when I'm in the rare mood for them, I want a Journey or Perry ballad.

............................................

Is your Perry Beacon video an amateur version, Joe?

It is indeed a bootlegged amatuer version. The sound is plenty good, though and Perry voice, or no voice, brought the house down. And he had a blast doing it.

[ohsherrie]

Is your Perry Beacon video an amateur version, Joe?

It is indeed a bootlegged amatuer version. The sound is plenty good, though and Perry voice, or no voice, brought the house down. And he had a blast doing it.[/quote]

That's a good one but I wish the quality of the Memphis boot was better, I think Steve had even more fun on that one. It's the one where the guy runs up out of the audience and goes after the tail coat when it comes down. Hilarious stuff.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dean, I really think you read to much into innocent remarks like that. It could really be that he meant "Journey as he knew it". How could he possibly comment on what the band is about now? He's not part of it.

First you say Perry sounded "damn good" in Chicago and now this?
JUST GO AWAY ALREADY!
I can't stand those who choose to dellude themselves and live in denial.
Of course, Perry specifically chose the phrasing "the kids think Journey WAS awesome" in the article.
Why else would he have made that demarcation if he wasn't trying to imply something?

[Red13JoePa]

Yes, TNC he frequently chooses cryptic phrasing that does not hold up to the scruitiny of our bitterness detectors.

[ohsherrie]

Yes, TNC he frequently chooses cryptic phrasing that does not hold up the our bitterness detectors.

Yeah Joe, and some people think the dust bunnies under their beds are pods.

[jrnyman28]

Well, to be honest, Perry used to make very cryptic satements. Remember last years Birthday Thanks. It was debated for quite a while what he might have actually meant. But I think he does that on purpose so no one can "hold him to it". I guess that is what intrigues me about his statement that the White Sox have helped him through a tough time and that he might record something. The last time he did that was on BTM, but he said it in such a way as to give himself an easy out. This time the only out is the fact that he said "maybe". I sure hope he does, but it seems like he really leaves his fans hanging when he says that and then never follows through. I hope this time is different.

[sngrchk04]

Come on! We can all agree to argue, but saying "whatever" just shows a complete lack of either debating skills, factual knowledge or admits defeat..Take your pick. I know you are smarter than that Sngrchick..you usually make coherent arguments, but I gotta tell ya, on this Perry episode, you are slumping worse than W's poll numbers...pretty bad...

I want to hear your take...Now regroup, and bring it!

She edited her post and replaced what she had wrote with the curtly unsatisfying "WHATEVER".
Initially she had put up a legitimate defense and argued her stance, unfortunately, it was still factually inaccurate. Like many Perryfanatics, she made up her own revisionist history where Perry is absolved of all wrongdoing and of course, everything is somehow Neal Schon's fault.
Here was her initial argument before she edited it:

How did Neal in any way impede Perry from doing the music he wanted to do?

Neal; Schmeal.....GOD you split hairs

Is THIS better?

"I mean, c'mon - he was trying to get the FTLOSM thing off the ground....and LO AND BEHOLD....there's Journey's Mgmt - from out of the blue" :

Either way she is wrong. Perry leaving the FTLOSM band was neither the fault of Neal nor Journey's management (who actually didn't even exist at that juncture in time). After I proved her wrong, she changed her post to simply "whatever". What a coward. A person with even a modicum of class would have owned up to their mistakes.

So I said "Mgmt" when I meant "Sony".....

THE WORLD DIDN'T END.....

PS ~ .....and there's one more "hit " for our new CD.....THANX GUYS!!!
LIGHTEN THE (*&% UP!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

So I said "Mgmt" when I meant "Sony".....

Big difference, lady.