**UPDATED** Van Ailin': Roth's Radio Show Struggling

[Squidward24]

From Yahoo News

http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/31616571

I love this comment: "Roth's show is ... skin-crawlingly awful," wrote Rob Sheffield in a Rolling Stone piece. "...it's bracing to hear a guy who has no idea what he's doing. ... Listening to Roth, you feel actual physical pain."

Hehehe, go back to being an EMT.

[Red13JoePa]

Yep, he's completely winging it. Fills time with windy diatribes and interviews where his questions go on ad infinatum and his inane commentary on the answers go on forever....

[NealIsGod]

Ahhh, it's good to be right. I predicted Roth's brand of obscure, crispy humor would not appeal to the masses. Corrola isn't doing much better. Read this:

Radio listeners tuning out Stern, his replacements
Since shock jock's jump to satellite, fans are wandering the dial

Can millions of listeners just disappear?

That's a question troubling Howard Stern and one with vital implications for radio itself in the wake of the shock jock's heralded and hyped switch from free to satellite broadcasting.

The self-proclaimed King of All Media once commanded a national audience of 12 million daily listeners before jumping to satellite in January. But since then, his kingdom has shrunk to a small fraction of that size. Meanwhile, the shock jock's main replacements thus far have failed to hold much of the former flock.

According to industry analysts, the new Stern math scans something like this: At best, he took between 1 million and 2 million listeners with him, and his replacements, spread across many of the country's major radio markets, are drawing similar numbers.

That leaves 8 million to 10 million nomadic listeners nationwide wandering the terrestrial radio dial in search of a new voice or sound to lead them out of the morning drive-time wilderness. Call them the Howard Stern diaspora, those legions unwilling to fork over satellite subscription fees and unimpressed by pretenders to the throne.

The timing could scarcely be worse for terrestrial radio, which needs an oversized, rudderless audience now like it needs another intriguing and easy-to-use competitor -- say, an iPod, podcasts, personalized CDs or, Stern notwithstanding, the siren songs of satellite.

"It's unprecedented that a radio personality of Stern's magnitude has ever just pulled the plug on his show," said Perry Michael Simon, news-talk-sports editor of All Access.com, an online journal of the radio industry. "We're really in uncharted territory here."

With limited ratings data, it's hard to tell where the Stern herd is roaming and where big portions of it might ultimately settle, say analysts. But Arbitron ratings clearly demonstrate they aren't stampeding toward Stern's big-name replacements, former Van Halen frontman David Lee Roth on the East Coast and comedian Adam Carolla on the West Coast. Although any head-to-head comparisons between the newcomers and the veteran Stern are unfair, say analysts, the pair's ratings are widely regarded as disappointing and, in one case, possibly job threatening.

In their first couple of months, Carolla registered less than a quarter of Stern's ratings while Roth notched well under a fifth. Executives at CBS Radio have said it will take 18 months to two years to build an audience around their new talent, but even so many contend that Roth might soon be fired.

"I think CBS is already trying to figure out an exit strategy with Roth," said Michael Harrison, editor and publisher of the talk radio magazine Talker. "The jury is still out on Carolla."

Meanwhile, Stern's numbers at Sirius, which has more than 4 million subscribers, remain a mystery. The satellite company, which charges about $13 per month for the service, won't release audience numbers. But analysts speculate that even if a quarter of the company's subscribers are daily Stern listeners, that would be considered a staggering success.

In a recent interview, Stern attacked his ex-listeners who are still clinging to terrestrial radio and have refused to cheer him on on the other side.

"You haven't come with me yet? How dare you?" Stern told Entertainment Weekly. "We're up to wild, crazy stuff; the show has never sounded better."

Terrestrial radio -- outside of the former Stern affiliates -- has tried the soft sell when courting the enormous uncommitted audience. In most major market cities late last year, counter-marketing largely took the form of billboards promoting a particular morning show's free -- as in, no subscription required -- services.

That strategy shows some promise. A Web-based survey by Jacobs Media released last month suggests Stern's former FM competitors around the country are the ones reaping the benefits.

Although unscientific, the poll, which was based on responses from more than 25,000 listeners from 79 rock stations across the country, showed more than half of Stern's former audience has not stuck with the affiliate replacements. Instead they seem to be gravitating toward similar, well-established morning programs.

"Stern's departure has shaken up the pecking order of what people are listening to. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for local radio stations," said Fred Jacobs, whose Michigan-based rock radio consulting firm conducted the poll.

"I think what you're going to find is that existing mature shows that are in the same basic neighborhood of Stern will grow stronger," Jacobs said. "And the new and fledgling shows are going to perform like new and fledgling shows."

As this audience experiments with other stations, analysts expect ratings to vacillate among the morning shows for months, even years, before the new listening patterns become habit. And even though most believe that the bulk of hard-core fans who couldn't live without their Stern have already signed up for Sirius, it's possible more may pony up Sirius subscription fees if terrestrial has nothing to offer them.

"There is nothing else out there right now that approximates Howard," Harrison said. "Some may eventually migrate to Sirius."

Then again, added Harrison, in perhaps the darkest scenario for the entire radio universe: "People have lives, and they can do other things, including enjoy the silence."

[Red13JoePa]

see, stern's suffered a big hit, too.
Spin that one, Deano.


I'm hoping that some telephone rings somewhere soon and somebody answers that phone. In a perfect world, The caller will say, "Dave? Ed. Feel like flying out to LA for a few days? Got something I wanna run by ya. Leave your lawyer home, i won't have mine."

[NealIsGod]

see, stern's suffered a big hit, too.
Spin that one, Deano.


I'm hoping that some telephone rings somewhere soon and somebody answers that phone. In a perfect world, The caller will say, "Dave? Ed. Feel like flying out to LA for a few days? Got something I wanna run by ya. Leave your lawyer home, i won't have mine."

I think it would go more like this:

"Ed? Dave here. PLEEEEASE take me back!!! I have nowhere else to go!!!!"

[Red13JoePa]

Fuck that, he'll go right back to touring w/ his solo band which is more than the brothers have been doing. I get the feeling Dave's at peace w/ where he is (but thinks the reuinion is inevitable anyway. Wish I could believe that) w/ or w/out the bros.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Tuned in the other day. Thought he sounded much improved from his first week. Still sucks though.

[Rockindeano]

see, stern's suffered a big hit, too.
Spin that one, Deano.

Ok. How the fuck can you badger me, when you have never listened to Stern? I have heard him on Sirius, and it is brilliant radio.

He is doing much better than DLR and AC, and the audience is growing, and he CHARGES listeners to listen.

I swear you are a closet BT'er.

There is your fucking spin.

[Red13JoePa]

I've listened to him. I'd never pay a red cent to listen to him now....I'd sooner pay for Roth radio.


I'm not a bter just b/c I still like the band.

[NealIsGod]

Stern has fallen off the face of the earth since he left over the air radio, and it is killing him.

[Angiekay]

Stern has fallen off the face of the earth since he left over the air radio, and it is killing him.

This is true for a number of reasons. First of all, he promoted the hell out of going to satellite, but once he was there...now what? The tv shows and news programs are only going to be able to promote him so much for so long. Satellite is still out of the mainstream. Plus now he CAN do controversial stuff....so what? It's like finally letting a kid do whatever he wants after telling him NO for so long. Where is the fun in it now? The point of that was to raise hairs. Since he CAN do whatever he wants, it's not news anymore, so he's not in the limelight. He would have been better off staying in terrestial radio and paying fines. There is no such thing as bad PR. It generated talk and listeners, but very few are going to *pay* to see "what Howard does next", because it's not controversial anymore.

[NealIsGod]

Stern has fallen off the face of the earth since he left over the air radio, and it is killing him.

This is true for a number of reasons. First of all, he promoted the hell out of going to satellite, but once he was there...now what? The tv shows and news programs are only going to be able to promote him so much for so long. Satellite is still out of the mainstream. Plus now he CAN do controversial stuff....so what? It's like finally letting a kid do whatever he wants after telling him NO for so long. Where is the fun in it now? The point of that was to raise hairs. Since he CAN do whatever he wants, it's not news anymore, so he's not in the limelight. He would have been better off staying in terrestial radio and paying fines. There is no such thing as bad PR. It generated talk and listeners, but very few are going to *pay* to see "what Howard does next", because it's not controversial anymore.

Well said. He is out of sight, out of mind. I predict Howard will have to eat crow and return to regular radio someday. I also predict he will file a suit against Sirius when they realize that paying him $500 million will bankrupt them.

[Rockindeano]

You three are all wrong.

13- How the Hell can you make a statement like you wouldn't pay a red cent to not see him, and rather listen to Roth? You never gave Stern a chance. Kind of like you getting on NIGGY for not giving SoulSirkus a spin and commenting negatively on it. Sound familiar?

NIG. He hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. There is a reason Sirius made him the highest paid entertainer ever. Subscriptions are up, and rising. XM is hurting. He needs at least a year to measure his success against Free FM radio.

Angie- He needs a benchmark. We have nothing to gauge his Sirius vs terrestrial gains on. He KNEW he would have memberships but by 70%. So what? He has accomplished everything. Stern didn't need PR like Journey/Styx or any other band. he lived it all. He has made a billion dollars. Maybe he wanted to go to work and do a job he liked to do...rather than go put up with the Bush tyranny? You argument doesn't make sense. He left for the money and the freedom. 500 million for 5 years and 200,000 shares of stock. You wouldn't go for that? The fact that Mark and Brian, and any other morning personalities are trying to figure out a way to grab his opened slot is a testament.

Please, if you don't like the man and his show, I can respect that. But don't spin and hate for no reason. That is lame.

[NealIsGod]

You three are all wrong.

13- How the Hell can you make a statement like you wouldn't pay a red cent to not see him, and rather listen to Roth? You never gave Stern a chance. Kind of like you getting on NIGGY for not giving SoulSirkus a spin and commenting negatively on it. Sound familiar?

NIG. He hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. There is a reason Sirius made him the highest paid entertainer ever. Subscriptions are up, and rising. XM is hurting. He needs at least a year to measure his success against Free FM radio.

Angie- He needs a benchmark. We have nothing to gauge his Sirius vs terrestrial gains on. He KNEW he would have memberships but by 70%. So what? He has accomplished everything. Stern didn't need PR like Journey/Styx or any other band. he lived it all. He has made a billion dollars. Maybe he wanted to go to work and do a job he liked to do...rather than go put up with the Bush tyranny? You argument doesn't make sense. He left for the money and the freedom. 500 million for 5 years and 200,000 shares of stock. You wouldn't go for that? The fact that Mark and Brian, and any other morning personalities are trying to figure out a way to grab his opened slot is a testament.

Please, if you don't like the man and his show, I can respect that. But don't spin and hate for no reason. That is lame.

First of all, I have listed to World Play at least a dozen times, maybe more. I give anything Neal does plenty of spins. It just doesn't grab me.

Second of all, I used to love Stern. He is funny, but I have no time to listen to radio in the morning. I just think he expected millions of people to immediately pony up the dough to listen to him, and it ain't happenin'. In a year or two, I predict satellite radio will still not catch on, and he will be back.

[Red13JoePa]

Deano, you're pretending to know, or really believe that you do know that I've never given Stern a chance.

In reality, I've listened to him on an off since like 7th grade and all these years my reaction's been..."eeehhhhh." A big shrug. I can take or leave him.

[Angiekay]

That's just it, I don't mind Stern. I've listened to him and watched him on tv for a long time, but he's gotten to fifth grade-ish. He used to be entertaining, but now it's all sex and bathroom humor(So I can understand why you like him ). I also think he sold out. He doesn't have his listeners best interests in mind anymore. He knows it's all about the almighty dollar(oooh, he may have more in common with Bush then we thought!). If he was thinking of his listeners, he wouldn't make them PAY to listen to him. Some of his listeners have finally gotten that. Yes, intially, he got a couple million listeners to follow him, but that pretty much stalled DEAD in it's tracks after all the hype died down, espeically now that OH! satellite radio might throw some commercials in there after all...why are we paying for that when that is what we got for free? For one man? Listeners are finally waking up and realizing it's not worth it.

He's made millions of dollars off his listeners in the past twenty years and this is how he repays them!? By making them pay for his $500 MILLION dollar salary, which he is SO not worth!? I'd tell him to fuck off too.

[Rockindeano]

Angie, I actually respect your opinion more than anyone elses' on these forums, but...

stop a minute.

Stern was very good to his fans. he never sold coffee mugs and doormats and stupid shit like Bill Oreilly and that fat fuck Rush Limbaugh do. Stern has always been at his fans best interest. You know, he was only contractually obligated to do 3 hour shows, and very often went over 5 hours a day. He had the freedom to go as long as he wanted.

I think he went to Satellite, because he believes satellite is the future. It's simple supply and demand. If enough people eventually go over, it will be cheaper. I have heard his new show, and it is amazingly fresh.

The 500 million dollars? Who wouldn't take it? And if you cannot afford 13 bucks a month, you are a loser, so pony up fuckers.

[NealIsGod]

The 500 million dollars? Who wouldn't take it? And if you cannot afford 13 bucks a month, you are a loser, so pony up fuckers.

I don't blame him for taking the money. I would, too.

[NealIsGod]

I think Stern should have an uncensored TV show once a week, too. Highlights fomr the previous week's shows. That may get more people to "pony up the dough" for satellite. Call HBO, Dean. Make it happen.

[Rockindeano]

I think Stern should have an uncensored TV show once a week, too. Highlights fomr the previous week's shows. That may get more people to "pony up the dough" for satellite. Call HBO, Dean. Make it happen.

He already does. PPV, 5 bucks for a 90 min show. Hilarious.

The other day, he was spanking Carmen Electra with a salmon and Benji ate a cheese sandwich out of Hi-Pitch Erics' ass.

[Angiekay]

I think he went to Satellite, because he believes satellite is the future. It's simple supply and demand. If enough people eventually go over, it will be cheaper.

Well, this is where you and I and Howard and I differ. I guess we'll see won't we?

[Angiekay]

The other day, he was spanking Carmen Electra with a salmon and Benji ate a cheese sandwich out of Hi-Pitch Erics' ass.

THIS is what I'm talking about. It may be funny once, but it will get old except for the perpetually mentally challenged.


That five bucks will buy me a GREAT latte or a cute pair of shoes on clearance.

[NUBMAN]

The main point is that NO ONE can fill Stern's shoes after he set the standard for goofy morning radio. Roth wont get more than a few more months and then someone else will be brought in to fail.

I guess I have become numb to the Stern thing. Maybe like Angie said people are just growing out of his schtick. I used to love hearing all the retard stuff and fart humor, but not so much anymore. I always found that even though Stern was a goofball, he still had some cool opinions and small social commentary (when it benefitted him). I have seen a few of the PPV's and they are funny. Mostly it is the same silly fart humor that I liked when I was 24, but not now at 30.

Roth is just one of the many failures who will be compared to Stern and never given a chance.

(back to the thread!!!!)
Dave and Ed wont ever see eye to eye again. Just do the reunion tour and shut us all up. Then everyone will be happy (or sad if it really sucks) and the issue will be over.
I did happen to catch Dave and his band on a good night and they were damn entertaining. Hearing the VH classics with Dave is still a treat!

Peace

[Rockindeano]

Hey, I admit it, I love the retard contests...Hi Pitch's ugly fat ass; Beetlejuice; Elephant Boy; gay rich; homeless game; Dan the farter is a complete genius. If anyone wants his 30 second fart, PM me; Artie Lange is hysterical, and all the contests...Lord of the anal ring toss; wheel of sex; and It's just Wrong, where dad's have to undress their daughters down to nothing if they get answers wrong.

Stern is King.

[VH101]

Dave and Ed wont ever see eye to eye again. Just do the reunion tour and shut us all up. Then everyone will be happy (or sad if it really sucks)...

It would not suck. Guaranteed.

[Squidward24]

From Yahoo News:

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entne ... 70000.html

From the article:
No surprise: David Lee Roth's run as morning radio host is about done. Big surprise: It appears raunchy satellite radio stars Opie and Anthony will replace him on seven CBS Radio stations.

Too bad so sad.

911 What is your emergency?
Look at all the fans out there tonight!
I'm sorry sir...you have no fans.
HEY!!! Bose-Bose-Bop-Titty Bop!!!

I AIN'T GOT NOBODY!!!

[Fernando Ramirez]

Too bad so sad.

911 What is your emergency?
Look at all the fans out there tonight!
I'm sorry sir...you have no fans.
HEY!!! Bose-Bose-Bop-Titty Bop!!!


I AIN'T GOT NOBODY!!!

CBS RADIO: "C'mon, Dave, gimme a break."
DLR: "One break, coming up..."

One big break!!!

It would be good of him to just get back to making some music.

[NealIsGod]

It would be good of him to just get back to making some music.

Really? I don't miss DLR one bit. Just Eddie, Michael and Alex.

[VH101]

With "Roth Radio" now officially dismissed, I can't help but look (blindly optimistically) forward to the inevitable reunion with VH.

My impression of Roth has changed. I thought he was self-centered, selfish and egotistic. Now, I think he's self-centered, generous to others and egotistic.

The man calls it like he sees it, and for the most part, I agreed with what he put out there on the air. Too bad the rest of the listening audience didn't give the corporate execs the numbers they wanted!

[Rockindeano]

It's kind of a tough act to follow if you think about it. he was DOA..Never had a chance.