Be Honest!

[ohsherrie]

how is steve a the victim???

Because he didn't sign up to have his voice destroyed. No one but a 30 something Perry can sing those songs the way he did. After years of incessant touring he couldn't either. I don't think any singer should be expected to. Perry's voice in those days was inimitable and it's wrong for the band or the fans to expect the impossible of anyone.

[wildone]

how is steve a the victim???

Because he didn't sign up to have his voice destroyed. No one but a 30 something Perry can sing those songs the way he did. After years of incessant touring he couldn't either. I don't think any singer should be expected to. Perry's voice in those days was inimitable and it's wrong for the band or the fans to expect the impossible of anyone.

wow way to funny he knew what he was in for it was no suprise to him what he was asked to do and if taking the check was more important then his voice ...well thats all on him then isn't it?He could've walked away at anytime....anytime at all...(yes pun inteneded) so no victim in my eyes the money was more important..

[tammy]

well, I lost my huge long post!

But, to be honest...I don't know for absolute certain there is "lip synching" going on - but, what is being presented here & other places it does seem to be happening (or happened).

I do not hate SA or any member of the band, but I am greatly disappointed in them. I will say that I am partial to Steve Perry in voice, style, looks, everything because he is the one that brought me to become a Journey fan. But, I was open-minded enough to see 3 concerts of the current line-up last year. I enjoyed hearing the music Live again, SA was okay, but I was sympathetic to his voice trouble in Irvine...but I left sad each time that it just didn't feel right without Steve Perry being a part of it. I had decided that I would not attend anymore J. concerts. And, I DO NOT want SP back with Journey...period!! Just solo, if he comes back.

In light of what is happening now? The Journey should have ended when they still had artistic integrity & sensibility...now it has become a parody and that is truly sad. Very disappointing to throw it all away just for more bucks.

[wildone]

Journey/Survivor,

I'm trying really hard to keep this from being another redundant Perry vs Augeri thing. Been there, done that. I answered your question as honestly as I could. That's all I intended to do. I don't want to expound on it.

You are entitled to your feelings but what I've been wondering during the last few minutes that I've been perusing this board is this:

Do the Augeri fans that have been assaulting this board recently really still believe this is not happening or do they just not care?

Actually I would love it if EVERYONE would stop the whole Steve Perry VS Steve Augeri war that has been going on both here and on Back Talk!

I was in no way trying to make this a Perry VS Augeri thing, it's just that I feel strongly that some people (and I am not reffering to you personally) are making these accusations because of a personal dislike for Steve Augeri.

Like someone else said above, I am a Journey fan no matter who the singer is, and I love the singing of both Perry and Augeri!

As for your question at the end of your comment, and keeping in mind that I am a fan of both Perry and Augeri, I personally strongly doubt that Augeri is lip-syncing. Maybe he MIGHT have been singing along with some guide vocals, MAYBE, but if so I doubt that it is anything that any other singer who is in or approaching his 50's wouldn't do in the same situation.

I'm trying to keep things civil with Rockn' Deano, and I am not overly angry to tell you the truth. But I still have serious doubts that Deano has ever truly been a Journey fan!

A true fan would not be on a mission to bring down the band that he claimed to have been a fan of!

Deano says that the Rolling Stones are worse than Journey for lip-syncing. If he believes that then why isn't he on a mission to bring them down?

No, he has an aggenda against Steve Augeri and Journey, as do many of the people who are making these accusations!

If Journey are really lip-syncing then I won't be happy about that. But there is no way in hell that it make me stop being a fan of the band!

If I had been the person who supposedly "discovered" that Journey are "lip-syncing" I would not have gone public with it. Maybe I would have notified the band that I knew what they were doing and that I expect them to stop it immediately, but I would not have been on a mission to destroy the band that I love!

That is why I want to make clear that I do NOT believe that Rockn' Deano was ever truly a Journey fan.

Anyway, Ohsherrie, I am not trying to pick on you in anyway, so I hope you don't think that I was!!! [/quote I never wanted anyone to stop being a fan ...It's all about the honesty to the fans i was thinking about..I still love listening to the albums,love it when you get suprised and you hear them on the radio..It's just alot of money being spent and people who are paying for a live show should get one...or atleast be told that there would be some ...enhancements being made...and be told up front what they were getting.

[AR]

Because he didn't sign up to have his voice destroyed. No one but a 30 something Perry can sing those songs the way he did. After years of incessant touring he couldn't either. I don't think any singer should be expected to. Perry's voice in those days was inimitable and it's wrong for the band or the fans to expect the impossible of anyone

Yep.

I would thank Steve Augeri for helping to ressurrect my interest in a band I loved but ended for me after "Ask the Lonely" was recorded on the Greatest Hits CD. (note: did not like Trial By Fire at all - personal preference)

Arrival was a killer album, and I enjoyed the tours up until Generations.

thanks Steve, you did a great job in a very thankless position. You could not win no matter what you did. And you did a great job.

What is going on now is a terrible ending to things. I will choose to remember the great shows and new music that would have never happened if you didn't join the band.

Off soapbox

[Journey/Survivor]

Because he didn't sign up to have his voice destroyed. No one but a 30 something Perry can sing those songs the way he did. After years of incessant touring he couldn't either. I don't think any singer should be expected to. Perry's voice in those days was inimitable and it's wrong for the band or the fans to expect the impossible of anyone

Yep.

I would thank Steve Augeri for helping to ressurrect my interest in a band I loved but ended for me after "Ask the Lonely" was recorded on the Greatest Hits CD. (note: did not like Trial By Fire at all - personal preference)

Arrival was a killer album, and I enjoyed the tours up until Generations.

thanks Steve, you did a great job in a very thankless position. You could not win no matter what you did. And you did a great job.

What is going on now is a terrible ending to things. I will choose to remember the great shows and new music that would have never happened if you didn't join the band.

Off soapbox

What is it that you don't like about "Ask The Lonely?"

More importantly I see that you speak of Journey as if they are done, and I don't think that anything could be farther from the truth!

These accusations will not come even close to bringing down the band, not by a long shot!

The only way that Journey will be done anytime soon is simply if the band feel like calling it quits.

Even if Deano is completely right, which I'm sure he isn't, it still won't bring the band down!

In the end this thing will barely even be a blip on the radar screen!

There was another thread that I was going to say this on, but when you think about it Deano doesn't have anything even close to being proof that Augeri is lip-syncing! Not even close!!! He just has accusations and nothing more!!!

[AR]

What is it that you don't like about "Ask The Lonely?"

No I hate Trial By Fire. Love "Ask the Lonely". I said my interest ended AFTER that came out. Last thing from the Perry era. Awesome tune.

[Rockindeano]

I'm trying to keep things civil with Rockn' Deano, and I am not overly angry to tell you the truth. But I still have serious doubts that Deano has ever truly been a Journey fan!

Wow. What a difference a wekk makes. Hmm, ok. If you doubt that I have ever been a fan, go research the 5800 posts I have made on this site. Granted, about 2500 are insults at certain people, but no one can say with an honest face that I am not nor have ever been a Journey fan.

A true fan would not be on a mission to bring down the band that he claimed to have been a fan of!

Not my mission. However, a true fan, and one with balls, has the right to persue the truth. That is all I want. if the band goes down, the Band goes down. They brought it on themselves, I didn't do anything but uncover the truth. They're the ones who lipped, not I.

Deano says that the Rolling Stones are worse than Journey for lip-syncing. If he believes that then why isn't he on a mission to bring them down?

I did? I defy you to show me where I said that. Go back and read it closely.

No, he has an aggenda against Steve Augeri and Journey, as do many of the people who are making these accusations!

Are you the same person who emailed about 500 times last week and stood up for me on Melodic.net? You are way off. I have no agenda except for the truth to be told, and if I am an asshole for that, then I am a proud asshole. Maybe we need even more assholes and less thieves and cons.

If I had been the person who supposedly "discovered" that Journey are "lip-syncing" I would not have gone public with it. Maybe I would have notified the band that I knew what they were doing and that I expect them to stop it immediately, but I would not have been on a mission to destroy the band that I love!

How do you know that's NOT what I did first? They have had many chances. Trust me on this. They elected to take the high road, er, the evasive road, and my friend, that road has a bridge out of service coming up real real soon.

That is why I want to make clear that I do NOT believe that Rockn' Deano was ever truly a Journey fan.

I want to say I don't think you are Wildone either. Something going on here...

[yak]

Also think that Perry fans are salivating over this, despite the fact that Augeri has done a very good job up until now.

You are right. They, including ohsherrie, have despised Steve Augeri from the get-go. They continually spin the real story to their liking, even though nobody to my knowledge has ever confirmed that Perry had any surgery of any kind.....which is what started the fray... In fact, there is some sort of evidence that ......er...maybe he didn't have any......But be quiet.........cause we can't talk about that.

[AR]

Deano is a fan. I can testify to that. Not his fault this has gone down and I think he is as disappointed as any of us that knows what has been going on. I may hold out more hope for Augeri & Co. than he does but it doesn't change what has gone down recently. I wouldn't go to his extent on this, but I understand why. If he wasn't a fan he wouldn't give a shit.

Just my opinion.

This is coming from someone who still thinks that Steve Augeri SAVED Journey and thinks Arrival ranks up with Escape in the catalog.

[Rockindeano]

This is coming from someone who still thinks that Steve Augeri SAVED Journey and thinks Arrival ranks up with Escape in the catalog.

Yes Augeri saved Journey for sure...No disputing that. Arrival up there with Escape, no fucking way. Escape is one of the all time greats.

Thank you for the kind words A Rules. Damned right I am a fan...Still am.


As for Augeri and his future. No way in Hell do they tour with him again. Sorry to be blunt, but he simply cannot sing a single song on his own well. It's sad, and I am starting to back the heat off him and put the fire squarely on Schons ass, and Frigas as well. Augeri is guilty to be sure, but I don't think he would scheme this up. However, he could have said "no," and didn't, so he is as bad as the rest of them.

Again, I bet my testicles, this is Augeris last tour, ever.

[AR]

Yes Augeri saved Journey for sure...No disputing that. Arrival up there with Escape, no fucking way. Escape is one of the all time greats.

That's strictly my opinion. Escape is the standard bearer. I think Arrival is 2nd. Just my personal tastes. Departure is 3rd for me.

[Rockindeano]

No prob AR. Personally I think Frontiers is their best work...Can you imagine if they dumped Back talk and Troubled child and added Only the Young and Ask the Lonely like originally planned? Wow.

[AR]

No prob AR. Personally I think Frontiers is their best work...Can you imagine if they dumped Back talk and Troubled child and added Only the Young and Ask the Lonely like originally planned? Wow.

Hell yeah, I don't think you'll get many disagreeing with that choice!

[KittyKat]

This is coming from someone who still thinks that Steve Augeri SAVED Journey and thinks Arrival ranks up with Escape in the catalog.

Yes Augeri saved Journey for sure...No disputing that. Arrival up there with Escape, no fucking way. Escape is one of the all time greats.

Thank you for the kind words A Rules. Damned right I am a fan...Still am.


As for Augeri and his future. No way in Hell do they tour with him again. Sorry to be blunt, but he simply cannot sing a single song on his own well. It's sad, and I am starting to back the heat off him and put the fire squarely on Schons ass, and Frigas as well. Augeri is guilty to be sure, but I don't think he would scheme this up. However, he could have said "no," and didn't, so he is as bad as the rest of them.

Again, I bet my testicles, this is Augeris last tour, ever.

I'm not sure how seriously to take that Deano because you may have a few extra sets to spare

[ohsherrie]

wildone,

Dean has no agenda against Augeri or Journey. If he has an agenda it's against the band being dishonest with it's fans. It's about finding out that the band and singer that he's gone to bat for against people like me so vehemently for so long has mislead him. He's not trying to bring them down. He's just trying to shape them up to fulfull their implied promises to him as a fan and meet the standards that he believes in.

If you still can't see the writing on the wall, then I can't turn on the light for you.

Think whatever you want and be happy with your thoughts.

[wildone]

wildone,

Dean has no agenda against Augeri or Journey. If he has an agenda it's against the band being dishonest with it's fans. It's about finding out that the band and singer that he's gone to bat for against people like me so vehemently for so long has mislead him. He's not trying to bring them down. He's just trying to shape them up to fulfull their implied promises to him as a fan and meet the standards that he believes in.

If you still can't see the writing on the wall, then I can't turn on the light for you.

Think whatever you want and be happy with your thoughts.

I don't need any light switch help from you ...lol honestly...but if you need any help with your flashlight ...please don't hesitate to ask

[ohsherrie]

]I don't need any light switch help from you ...lol honestly...but if you need any help with your flashlight ...please don't hesitate to ask

I can see just fine, thanks anyway.

[yak]

Dean has no agenda against Augeri or Journey.

Just curious....

Would you be such good pals with "sugar"...... (you do remember when you referred to Dean as "sugar," don't you? It was late last year when you were playing him and others on this very board?)...........if he was instead substituting the name with "Perry," exposing your purrfect beloved for something he had done?

Just curious......

[A Fire Inside]

Just curious....

Would you be such good pals with "sugar"...... (you do remember when you referred to Dean as "sugar," don't you? It was late last year when you were playing him and others on this very board?)...........if he was instead substituting the name with "Perry," exposing your purrfect beloved for something he had done?

Just curious......

Of course she can't say, because that would never happen!!!!!!!! PERRY ALWAYZ SINGSZ LIVE!!!