Here's a thought on Augeri's situation

[fred_journeyman]

I NEVER said that, Fred. Please be accurate.

Okay, sorry Deano. Someone else said it on the board here, implying that they were quoting you. My bad.

[fred_journeyman]

I didn't say that you made it up,Dean. I'm saying that it would be to the bands best interest if you say that you made it up. You're the only one dragging Augeri's name through the mud and it's making the band look bad.

No, I'll disagree with that, if I may HOTS. What's unfortunately making the band look bad right now is their non-denial denial of the events leading up to Augeri's absence. They really haven't addressed it thoroughly AND they have not (that I know of) said anything about "tape-gate."

[ArnelRox]

What's unfortunately making the band look bad right now is their non-denial denial of the events leading up to Augeri's absence. They really haven't addressed it thoroughly AND they have not (that I know of) said anything about "tape-gate."

Sorry to butt in. But I disagree w/u Fred. The band doesn't look bad right now to most people. They look good. Maybe like heroes even for going on w/out Augeri.

They will never ever ever ever address tapegate. If they confirm it, they look like asses & may well be liable for a class action lawsuit & refunds to fans who paid to see them. If they deny it, people will say they are lying. It's best for the band to ignore it as if it means nothing to them & is just an internet rumor.

They made their official statements on Augeri. 2 of them. They think that's all that is needed so far. The 1st was that he was gone & JSS was stepping in. They had to make another statement w/the announcement of the extended tour. They said he is being monitored by his dr. To most people they look proactive w/these statements. A 2nd statement was warranted. They made it. They've done what was needed. A few here think they look bad. Most think that's all that's needed.

The hard part is when is the right time to say JSS is the new lead singer. They have to time that exactly rite & no matter how they do it someone will be pissed off somewhere. I suspect their efforts are focused on that.

What I'm surprised at is the lack of Augeri-camp participation in anything. If he came out & said thanks for the prayers on BT this would all be more credible to the masses & would shut many up. I'm surprised Journey isnt pushing him to do that. Then again, the augeriheads are sure he has better things to do w/his time. So that would only work for the small % of fans that loved him anyway. When the time comes he will probably release a statement that he cannot go on due to his health. He will tell everyone to support the band w/JSS. And the chapter will end. Next yr "Augeri who? Oh the guy in the red leathers. I remember him sorta. But what about the way JSS hit that note? Have u seen his black leather pants? Damn I love the way he..." JSS appreciation thread on BT...all is well again in Journeyville.

[Rockindeano]

The hard part is when is the right time to say JSS is the new lead singer. They have to time that exactly rite & no matter how they do it someone will be pissed off somewhere. I suspect their efforts are focused on that.

When the time comes he will probably release a statement that he cannot go on due to his health. He will tell everyone to support the band w/JSS. And the chapter will end.

Bingo! We have a winner. They will look up a throat infection on WebMD, get a date or two, calculate that from Frauds' departure, and post it then. It has to be before JSS becomes official obviously, and before the new CD comes out....

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

Dude, Soto is fire...you utilize that fire and strike when the iron is hot. Drag Valory and Cains' bitch asses into the studio..Deen and Neal will already be there. Crank out the tunes. ONE singer, not 5..Put out a fucking RnR album.

I would not in the least be surprised if there was already songs in the can.

[Saint John]

The hard part is when is the right time to say JSS is the new lead singer. They have to time that exactly rite & no matter how they do it someone will be pissed off somewhere. I suspect their efforts are focused on that.

When the time comes he will probably release a statement that he cannot go on due to his health. He will tell everyone to support the band w/JSS. And the chapter will end.

Bingo! We have a winner. They will look up a throat infection on WebMD, get a date or two, calculate that from Frauds' departure, and post it then. It has to be before JSS becomes official obviously, and before the new CD comes out....

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

Dude, Soto is fire...you utilize that fire and strike when the iron is hot. Drag Valory and Cains' bitch asses into the studio..Deen and Neal will already be there. Crank out the tunes. ONE singer, not 5..Put out a fucking RnR album.

I would not in the least be surprised if there was already songs in the can.

JSS will be announced 2 months after the tour ends. I say 2 months because there is NO doubt that someone is going to contact Perry and tell him that this is "last call." He's lost about 25 pounds in the last 2 months and is "practicing scales." He' been seen with some pretty big music execs lately and the speculation is that it's over the re-masters. BULLSHIT. He's plotting making a move. He sees the Journey gravy train has picked up a lot of momentum. He's not going to sit idly by. He's either hopping on or derailing it (again). They'll give him one last chance and then announce Soto. Either way, Perry's doing something this Spring/Summer. Mark my words.

[fred_journeyman]

Sorry to butt in. But I disagree w/u Fred.

No worries. You're not butting in. I appreciate your approach. Thanks.

The band doesn't look bad right now to most people. They look good. Maybe like heroes even for going on w/out Augeri.

Maybe. It's possible.

They will never ever ever ever address tapegate. If they confirm it, they look like asses & may well be liable for a class action lawsuit & refunds to fans who paid to see them. If they deny it, people will say they are lying. It's best for the band to ignore it as if it means nothing to them & is just an internet rumor.

Good points.

They made their official statements on Augeri. 2 of them. They think that's all that is needed so far. The 1st was that he was gone & JSS was stepping in. They had to make another statement w/the announcement of the extended tour. They said he is being monitored by his dr. To most people they look proactive w/these statements. A 2nd statement was warranted. They made it. They've done what was needed. A few here think they look bad. Most think that's all that's needed.

Okay, I'm following you.

The hard part is when is the right time to say JSS is the new lead singer. They have to time that exactly rite & no matter how they do it someone will be pissed off somewhere. I suspect their efforts are focused on that.

What I'm surprised at is the lack of Augeri-camp participation in anything. If he came out & said thanks for the prayers on BT this would all be more credible to the masses & would shut many up. I'm surprised Journey isnt pushing him to do that. Then again, the augeriheads are sure he has better things to do w/his time. So that would only work for the small % of fans that loved him anyway. When the time comes he will probably release a statement that he cannot go on due to his health. He will tell everyone to support the band w/JSS. And the chapter will end. Next yr "Augeri who? Oh the guy in the red leathers. I remember him sorta. But what about the way JSS hit that note? Have u seen his black leather pants? Damn I love the way he..." JSS appreciation thread on BT...all is well again in Journeyville.

All good points. I tend to agree with your assessment. Thanks for pointing them out to me. Feel free anytime.

[Moon Beam]

I'll mark yours and Deano's old words to it.
My ears start to tingle at the very thought.

[fred_journeyman]

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

If THAT happens, and it SOUNDS GREAT and they get to PLAY some of them in concert, then WONDERFUL!

[Saint John]

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

If THAT happens, and it SOUNDS GREAT and they get to PLAY some of them in concert, then WONDERFUL!

It DOES sound good, eh Fred? If they cut an album with JSS, they will play a minimum of 5 songs off of it. Shit, that hasn't happened since ROR.

[Rockindeano]

JSS will be announced 2 months after the tour ends. I say 2 months because there is NO doubt that someone is going to contact Perry and tell him that this is "last call." He's lost about 25 pounds in the last 2 months and is "practicing scales." He' been seen with some pretty big music execs lately and the speculation is that it's over the re-masters. BULLSHIT. He's plotting making a move. He sees the Journey gravy train has picked up a lot of momentum. He's not going to sit idly by. He's either hopping on or derailing it (again). They'll give him one last chance and then announce Soto. Either way, Perry's doing something this Spring/Summer. Mark my words.

I was saying this 3 months ago.

Not anylonger. I see no way Perry returns. I see a JSS fronted band kicking major, unadultered ass....

[RedWingFan]

What's unfortunately making the band look bad right now is their non-denial denial of the events leading up to Augeri's absence. They really haven't addressed it thoroughly AND they have not (that I know of) said anything about "tape-gate."

Sorry to butt in. But I disagree w/u Fred. The band doesn't look bad right now to most people. They look good. Maybe like heroes even for going on w/out Augeri.

They will never ever ever ever address tapegate. If they confirm it, they look like asses & may well be liable for a class action lawsuit & refunds to fans who paid to see them. If they deny it, people will say they are lying. It's best for the band to ignore it as if it means nothing to them & is just an internet rumor.

You think that paragraph makes them LOOK GOOD?

[Rockindeano]

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

If THAT happens, and it SOUNDS GREAT and they get to PLAY some of them in concert, then WONDERFUL!

It DOES sound good, eh Fred? If they cut an album with JSS, they will play a minimum of 5 songs off of it. Shit, that hasn't happened since ROR.

Technically, ROR only had 4 songs played regularly.

Girl Can't Help It
Be Good To Yourself
I'll Be Alright Without You
and either Suzanne or Raised on Radio...

I did see Positive Touch at Mountain Aire and it sucked. Friga, prancin around like Richard Simmons in that ridiculous smock...I forgive friga now, but what in THE Fuck was he thinking? Probably about the 10 million he was making.

[Saint John]

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

If THAT happens, and it SOUNDS GREAT and they get to PLAY some of them in concert, then WONDERFUL!

It DOES sound good, eh Fred? If they cut an album with JSS, they will play a minimum of 5 songs off of it. Shit, that hasn't happened since ROR.

Technically, ROR only had 4 songs played regularly.

Girl Can't Help It
Be Good To Yourself
I'll Be Alright Without You
and either Suzanne or Raised on Radio...

I did see Positive Touch at Mountain Aire and it sucked. Friga, prancin around like Richard Simmons in that ridiculous smock...I forgive friga now, but what in THE Fuck was he thinking? Probably about the 10 million he was making.

What are the odds of us EVER hearing Augeri-era Journey tunes after he is "officially" relieved? Oh wait, they don't even play them now. Good riddance. I'd like to see the numbers on Generations. I'm going with 4,000 copies sold.

[Rockindeano]

They sold 17,000 first week.

I don't mind the CD at all. The music is top notch on the first 4 songs....It's just that stench that is Augeri all over it..I cannot even listen to it.....

[Saint John]

They sold 17,000 first week.

I don't mind the CD at all. The music is top notch on the first 4 songs....It's just that stench that is Augeri all over it..I cannot even listen to it.....

Vocals are muddy and the songs just don't have that catchy chorus. Never have with Augeri. No in-your-face Perry-like vocals. Chemistry just wasn't there for these guys. The Higher Place chorus was close and the ending is cool...that's it. Other than that, only Kiss Me Softly LIVE sounded good to me. Red 13 is the biggest cluster fuck of music they've ever written. Talk about shitty writing and muddy vocals...wow, that was bad. What did that sell? 10,000 total

[ArnelRox]

I say 2 months because there is NO doubt that someone is going to contact Perry and tell him that this is "last call." He's lost about 25 pounds in the last 2 months and is "practicing scales." He' been seen with some pretty big music execs lately and the speculation is that it's over the re-masters. BULLSHIT. He's plotting making a move. He sees the Journey gravy train has picked up a lot of momentum. He's not going to sit idly by. He's either hopping on or derailing it (again). They'll give him one last chance and then announce Soto. Either way, Perry's doing something this Spring/Summer. Mark my words.

I don't think Perry would even consider ever returning & I don't think Journey would even ask him anymore. I think Neal & Co wouldn't want to jeopardize the momentum they have with JSS by inviting Perry back rite now. JSS could walk away & do his thing. This tour w/Journey has brought him exposure he didn't have. If Perry ever returned it would be 1 album. Neal wants more than that.

Perry won't do it anyway. He can do whatever he wants by himself & he knows it. He doesn't need Journey. He has a huge amount of people waiting for him. If he does something he'll do it his way exactly as he wants it w/the handpicked people he wants to perform with. He probably thinks Journey is a mockery of itself & who could blame him for that? He'll do his thing. Journey will do theirs. Hopefully both will have some success in their own rite. End of story.

[Saint John]

I say 2 months because there is NO doubt that someone is going to contact Perry and tell him that this is "last call." He's lost about 25 pounds in the last 2 months and is "practicing scales." He' been seen with some pretty big music execs lately and the speculation is that it's over the re-masters. BULLSHIT. He's plotting making a move. He sees the Journey gravy train has picked up a lot of momentum. He's not going to sit idly by. He's either hopping on or derailing it (again). They'll give him one last chance and then announce Soto. Either way, Perry's doing something this Spring/Summer. Mark my words.

I don't think Perry would even consider ever returning & I don't think Journey would even ask him anymore. I think Neal & Co wouldn't want to jeopardize the momentum they have with JSS by inviting Perry back rite now. JSS could walk away & do his thing. This tour w/Journey has brought him exposure he didn't have. If Perry ever returned it would be 1 album. Neal wants more than that.

Perry won't do it anyway. He can do whatever he wants by himself & he knows it. He doesn't need Journey. He has a huge amount of people waiting for him. If he does something he'll do it his way exactly as he wants it w/the handpicked people he wants to perform with. He probably thinks Journey is a mockery of itself & who could blame him for that? He'll do his thing. Journey will do theirs. Hopefully both will have some success in their own rite. End of story.

Odds are, you're right. However, together they will enjoy small/fair success. Together, they could make some serious noise. Imagine Perry comes back and teams with Bon Jovi for a 25 city stadium tour next summer. You're looking at 40,000+ per night. 2 sometimes 3 gigs a week with non-grueling sets because you have 2 huge names. Tour of the year without a doubt. I know, I'm dreaming but it's sure fuckin' fun!!!!

[ArnelRox]

Odds are, you're right. However, together they will enjoy small/fair success. Together, they could make some serious noise. Imagine Perry comes back and teams with Bon Jovi for a 25 city stadium tour next summer. You're looking at 40,000+ per night. 2 sometimes 3 gigs a week with non-grueling sets because you have 2 huge names. Tour of the year without a doubt. I know, I'm dreaming but it's sure fuckin' fun!!!!

I was never a Bon Jovi fan but I get where ur coming from. As long as we're dreaming...we need to have Rolie in the mix dueting w/Perry, along w/Cain however that would work on keys, Smitty & Castronovo on the drums and WTH Aynsley too. Oh the hell w/it let Augeri wiggle in the red leathers too for a few songs. Wait Randy needs to come out w/the pink spotted bass as well. Then can we put JSS fronting Queen w/the ghost of Freddie doing special appearances alongside him? Aww fuck it. Dream show. Maybe it's time I was dreaming. I'm really getting silly now.

[McNeil]

I say 2 months because there is NO doubt that someone is going to contact Perry and tell him that this is "last call." He's lost about 25 pounds in the last 2 months and is "practicing scales." He' been seen with some pretty big music execs lately and the speculation is that it's over the re-masters. BULLSHIT. He's plotting making a move. He sees the Journey gravy train has picked up a lot of momentum. He's not going to sit idly by. He's either hopping on or derailing it (again). They'll give him one last chance and then announce Soto. Either way, Perry's doing something this Spring/Summer. Mark my words.

I don't think Perry would even consider ever returning & I don't think Journey would even ask him anymore. I think Neal & Co wouldn't want to jeopardize the momentum they have with JSS by inviting Perry back rite now. JSS could walk away & do his thing. This tour w/Journey has brought him exposure he didn't have. If Perry ever returned it would be 1 album. Neal wants more than that.

Perry won't do it anyway. He can do whatever he wants by himself & he knows it. He doesn't need Journey. He has a huge amount of people waiting for him. If he does something he'll do it his way exactly as he wants it w/the handpicked people he wants to perform with. He probably thinks Journey is a mockery of itself & who could blame him for that? He'll do his thing. Journey will do theirs. Hopefully both will have some success in their own rite. End of story.

What is this perceived momentum with JSS? Can someone explain it to me factually??

As I see it, curiousity is creating a slight buzz, which will soon return to normal. also each band (Lep Journey) is feeding off of each others fan base, to create "phoney" audience figures. What has improved for Journey..are they receiving big headlines in the general music press? airplay on mainstream radio?

Jeez...we have an article in Guitar magazine in the UK this week.. with Neil Schon..... nowhere does it mention JSS, or the replacement of Augeri...and the article whines on about the tracks on "Arrival" !!!! that about sums it up!!

[ArnelRox]

What is this perceived momentum with JSS? Can someone explain it to me factually??

As I see it, curiousity is creating a slight buzz, which will soon return to normal. also each band (Lep Journey) is feeding off of each others fan base, to create "phoney" audience figures. What has improved for Journey..are they receiving big headlines in the general music press? airplay on mainstream radio?

Didnt u used to be neilmaccalookalike or something?

Ok critics here in the US are saying stuff like Journey's replacement for the replacement is doing a great job. Some say Journey steals the show. Yes Journey & DL are feeding off each other. Some smart cookie w/a marketing degree dreamed up the idea for that reason. It wasn't just like "lets put Journey & DL together" "yeah cool dude" "hey man". It was thought out & planned to be a success. That's the way things work here in the good ole USA.

The critics saying nice stuff about JSS & Journey PLUS the extended tour dates = momentum.

I dunno if it will last. But any musician knows u make hay while the sun shines.

Journey hasn't made BIG headlines or airplay on mainstream radio since WYLAW. Most likely they never will again. It would be nice if they did. But they're mainly a nostalgia band on tour now. Lets not get too excited here Neil. The momentum & notice they're getting now is much better than they got for the last 8 years.

Do u get it now? Or do I need to make it simpler 1,2,3?

[fred_journeyman]

It DOES sound good, eh Fred? If they cut an album with JSS, they will play a minimum of 5 songs off of it. Shit, that hasn't happened since ROR.

If they do that, I'm there...I can't say it enough...the classic tunes have gotten boring live, and frankly I don't care who's singing them. Give me something freakin' NEW!

[NealIsGod]

If they do that, I'm there...I can't say it enough...the classic tunes have gotten boring live, and frankly I don't care who's singing them. Give me something freakin' NEW!

I feel that away about the band and this forum.

[fred_journeyman]

As I see it, curiousity is creating a slight buzz, which will soon return to normal. also each band (Lep Journey) is feeding off of each others fan base, to create "phoney" audience figures. What has improved for Journey..are they receiving big headlines in the general music press? airplay on mainstream radio?

It would return to normal IF there is no new music forthcoming. IF Journey puts out a new CD with JSS and it ROCKS, then they will continue to build the momentum.

Jeez...we have an article in Guitar magazine in the UK this week.. with Neil Schon..... nowhere does it mention JSS, or the replacement of Augeri...and the article whines on about the tracks on "Arrival" !!!! that about sums it up!!

When was the article actually written and submitted? Was it by an "in house writer" or "freelancer?" Normally, magazine issues are done three, four, or even six months BEFORE they're published. I published a magazine for 12 years and in order to get things on time, you would need at least one issue completely in the can and ready to go while working on the next and mine was only a quarterly. If it's a monthly, it pushes it back even further.

[fred_journeyman]

I feel that away about the band and this forum.

This forum ROCKS! It's a work of art...always changing.

[McNeil]

As I see it, curiousity is creating a slight buzz, which will soon return to normal. also each band (Lep Journey) is feeding off of each others fan base, to create "phoney" audience figures. What has improved for Journey..are they receiving big headlines in the general music press? airplay on mainstream radio?

It would return to normal IF there is no new music forthcoming. IF Journey puts out a new CD with JSS and it ROCKS, then they will continue to build the momentum.

Jeez...we have an article in Guitar magazine in the UK this week.. with Neil Schon..... nowhere does it mention JSS, or the replacement of Augeri...and the article whines on about the tracks on "Arrival" !!!! that about sums it up!!

When was the article actually written and submitted? Was it by an "in house writer" or "freelancer?" Normally, magazine issues are done three, four, or even six months BEFORE they're published. I published a magazine for 12 years and in order to get things on time, you would need at least one issue completely in the can and ready to go while working on the next and mine was only a quarterly. If it's a monthly, it pushes it back even further.

your right Fred... prob submitted around the time of the UK gigs... thought maybe they might have added a lil something late on...but ..no!

[Matthew]

My money says you will definitely see a new Journey, Soto fronted CD next year. Their chemistry is just too good. Fuck, be like Springsteen, JSS/Neal, release two CD's at once......Just overload people with kick ass tunes.

If THAT happens, and it SOUNDS GREAT and they get to PLAY some of them in concert, then WONDERFUL!

It DOES sound good, eh Fred? If they cut an album with JSS, they will play a minimum of 5 songs off of it. Shit, that hasn't happened since ROR.

Technically, ROR only had 4 songs played regularly.

Girl Can't Help It
Be Good To Yourself
I'll Be Alright Without You
and either Suzanne or Raised on Radio...

I did see Positive Touch at Mountain Aire and it sucked. Friga, prancin around like Richard Simmons in that ridiculous smock...I forgive friga now, but what in THE Fuck was he thinking? Probably about the 10 million he was making.

By the way...did they bring on a guy to play the sax part on "Positive Touch"? Or did Neal do a solo?

[Moon Beam]

I am submitting for a copyright on the term

"WIGGLER"

or any other form of this word used on this forum. If you would like to use it in any further posts, I will accept $.25/per post via PayPal or you can just pay $10 up front for a full year's worth of unlimitted use. Thanks...

Coffee spewed on that one......thanks

[Carlitto H@kk]

Ok critics here in the US are saying stuff like Journey's replacement for the replacement is doing a great job. Some say Journey steals the show. Yes Journey & DL are feeding off each other. Some smart cookie w/a marketing degree dreamed up the idea for that reason. It wasn't just like "lets put Journey & DL together" "yeah cool dude" "hey man". It was thought out & planned to be a success. That's the way things work here in the good ole USA.

I just read an interview with Neal and the DL Guitar Duo that was done before this tour started. Neal said that he had been toying with the idea of touring w/ DL for 4 years (he has always admired Viv). He finally called Viv and that is what got the ball rolling on this tour. Even though they were interviewed seperately, Viv pretty much confirmed what Neal had said.
So I guess that is one more thing we can add to Neal's VAST resume - "One Smart Cookie"

[Deb]

I say 2 months because there is NO doubt that someone is going to contact Perry and tell him that this is "last call." He's lost about 25 pounds in the last 2 months and is "practicing scales." He' been seen with some pretty big music execs lately and the speculation is that it's over the re-masters. BULLSHIT. He's plotting making a move. He sees the Journey gravy train has picked up a lot of momentum. He's not going to sit idly by. He's either hopping on or derailing it (again). They'll give him one last chance and then announce Soto. Either way, Perry's doing something this Spring/Summer. Mark my words.

I don't think Perry would even consider ever returning & I don't think Journey would even ask him anymore. I think Neal & Co wouldn't want to jeopardize the momentum they have with JSS by inviting Perry back rite now. JSS could walk away & do his thing. This tour w/Journey has brought him exposure he didn't have. If Perry ever returned it would be 1 album. Neal wants more than that.

Perry won't do it anyway. He can do whatever he wants by himself & he knows it. He doesn't need Journey. He has a huge amount of people waiting for him. If he does something he'll do it his way exactly as he wants it w/the handpicked people he wants to perform with. He probably thinks Journey is a mockery of itself & who could blame him for that? He'll do his thing. Journey will do theirs. Hopefully both will have some success in their own rite. End of story.

At this point, you're right. Couldn't agree with ya more JourneyRox.

[A Fire Inside]

All the Tape-Gate and who's in/who's out speculations aside, has anyone ever considered that...

Maybe Augeri was ready to step-down, for whatever reason he might have, and this turned out to be the perfect opportunity???

That simply doesn't make any sense. If Augeri was "ready" to step down, there would have been a better and more dignified way to do it than a tape scandal that ends up making him look like a fraud.