Doesn't it speak volumes......

[Carlitto H@kk]

One thing that may have been missing from Augeri era Journey is songs of misery,

Or, aside from HP, FITH and 1 or 2 others, how about the PURE JOURNEY MAGIC that spewed out of Schon, Cain and Perrys' asses like Niagra Falls back in the day? THAT'S what was missing the most...

...And yes, I think Jeff can conjure up that magic with Neal and Jon.

Aare you calling that "magic" shit?
Seriously, I think there's alot more than a few from the Augeri era.

If it takes a magic terd to get great Journey songs written... SHIT AWAY, BOYS

[jrnyman28]

By that logic Perry really WAS the reason for all of Journey's success since his name was always listed first!

Perhaps you feel that way. I don't.
It does show that he was integrally involved in the creative process.
As it should be.

You just said that because Neal and Jon were listed first that they must have contributed the most...but now you say you don't feel that way when Perry's name is listed first?

Fuck you and your pathetic attempt to bog me down in weasel words.
If Perry's name came first it can be assumed that he had a degree of creative involvement (though I have heard accounts that reute that.)
Regardless of the name order, one man is not responsible for all of Journey's success.

I am not trying to bog you down. On the one hand you say there is an order which dictates the amount of creative input and on the other you say not....

[The_Noble_Cause]

I am not trying to bog you down. On the one hand you say there is an order which dictates the amount of creative input and on the other you say not....

But your initial post didn't say "amount of creative input", it said "the reason for all of Journey's success".
HUGE difference there.
When you want to have an honest spirited debate let me know.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Or, aside from HP, FITH and 1 or 2 others, how about the PURE JOURNEY MAGIC that spewed out of Schon, Cain and Perrys' asses like Niagra Falls back in the day? THAT'S what was missing the most...

Every album has it's highs and lows, even way back when with Perry.
They might've had a higher hit to miss ratio back then.
I think every album has its strong points, even the abominable ROR.

[Marabelle]

I wished someone would start it up! I enjoy a little frolic through MelodicRock woods! LOL! Conversation Pic where are you when I need you?

[Monker]

I am not trying to bog you down. On the one hand you say there is an order which dictates the amount of creative input and on the other you say not....

But your initial post didn't say "amount of creative input", it said "the reason for all of Journey's success".
HUGE difference there.
When you want to have an honest spirited debate let me know.

He cornered you, and you know it....on an argument I have been making for 15yrs or more.

The order means nothing...never has and never will. For all we know, Augeri may have been listed last BECAUSE Perry was listed first and the band was sick of fans giving him too much credit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

He cornered you, and you know it

No, I don't.
If that was the case, I would've conceded my error.
I have done so several times and I don't feel I am above admitting when I am wrong on an issue.
Maybe you should crib a page from your red leathered god's playbook and learn some humility.

[jrnyman28]

I am not trying to bog you down. On the one hand you say there is an order which dictates the amount of creative input and on the other you say not....

But your initial post didn't say "amount of creative input", it said "the reason for all of Journey's success".
HUGE difference there.
When you want to have an honest spirited debate let me know.

So it is such a big stretch in the argument from 'Steve Perry's name came first therefore he had the largest amount of creative input' to 'because Steve Perry had the largest amount of creative input he is most responsible for all of Journey's success'???

You know where I stand on the point so you know what I was driving at. And I am as honest as it gets...I am just not insulting or vulgar...

[Big J]

How many songs are listed "Cain/Schon"?

Exactly.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So it is such a big stretch in the argument from 'Steve Perry's name came first therefore he had the largest amount of creative input' to 'because Steve Perry had the largest amount of creative input he is most responsible for all of Journey's success'???

Again you are being two faced.
You didn't say "most responsible", you said ""the reason for all of Journey's success."
HUGE difference.
No single member is responsible for ALL of Journey's success.
As for whether Perry is MOST responsible for Journey's success, that is an entiriely different question.
The band certainly wouldn't be what it is today without the combination of his voice and other contributions.
Based solely on writing credits (factual or not) he does appear to be the MVP.

...I am just not insulting or vulgar...

Is that supposed to be a good thing

[The_Noble_Cause]

So it is such a big stretch in the argument from 'Steve Perry's name came first therefore he had the largest amount of creative input' to 'because Steve Perry had the largest amount of creative input he is most responsible for all of Journey's success'???

You are also equating "creative control" with success.
Writing great music is only half the battle (probably less).
So many other factors to consider when it comes to Journey's success.
Not the least of which being Herbie's shrewd managing skills.