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Postby Monker » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:14 am

Calbear94 wrote:JSS-led Journey is more like Soul Sirkus than any past incarnation of Journey. They could probably tour a few years with Soto, but then people would start to catch on that Journey has changed so significantly. I'd expect that attendance at shows would then start to drop.


And, THAT is exactly why I say I give them two solo tours and then they'll be performing the same venues as Styx.

The current tour is an 'event' and people are there for the nostalgia.
When they tour solo, people will be there to hear JOURNEY. Period.

The tour following the first solo tour will only draw those who have accepted the changes...and despite what so many people think - it won't be as large of an audience as they had with Augeri.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:25 am

Monker wrote:The current tour is an 'event' and people are there for the nostalgia. When they tour solo, people will be there to hear JOURNEY. Period.

The tour following the first solo tour will only draw those who have accepted the changes...and despite what so many people think - it won't be as large of an audience as they had with Augeri.


This is the big problem. Soul SirkUS did not sound like Journey. In spite of Soto's talent as a vocalist and songwriter, it's doubtful that Journey will sound like Journey after a while, unless the guys make a concerted effort to create music along those predefined lines.

I guess the same could be said for aspects of ROR and TBF, however Perry, Smith and Valory were with the band (for the most part), so people will simply say that the sound of the band evolved. It happens with most bands.

I think with the personnel in this band, we'll have a great band, but it won't sound like Journey. I really and honestly think that it would be better for everyone if after this tour, they decided to continue as something else entirely.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:26 am

Calbear94 wrote:Augeri did the best he could with sub-par Journey material.


Sure was subpar. Subpar because Augeri can't write. or sing, but oh, can he sure wiggle!
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:27 am

fred_journeyman wrote:Soul SirkUS did not sound like Journey.

On purpose.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:36 am

JDouglee wrote:
fred_journeyman wrote:Soul SirkUS did not sound like Journey.

On purpose.


Yes, I know that. My point was that since SS did NOT sound like Journey, it might be difficult for them to maintain that Journey sound/style now that JSS is in (if they start writing new material and decide to release a CD with him). Journey will sound more like SS at that point, than Journey, which is why I say that, IMO, they might want to consider putting Journey to bed after this tour...permanently, taking Journey out of retirement ONLY if the originals come back for a reunion concert/tour.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:37 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
Calbear94 wrote:Augeri did the best he could with sub-par Journey material.


Sure was subpar. Subpar because Augeri can't write. or sing, but oh, can he sure wiggle!


I like some of Arrival and Generations and certainly Augeri sang on those. At least he didn't lip-sync to anyone other than himself. :D
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Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:31 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Calbear94 wrote:Augeri did the best he could with sub-par Journey material.


Sure was subpar. Subpar because Augeri can't write. or sing, but oh, can he sure wiggle!


At least he didn't lip-sync to anyone other than himself. :D


Great to see you standing up for high-standards, Fred. :)
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Postby Andrew » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:57 am

Journey will sound like Journey - trust me - I've heard proof! (No, not new tracks or new demos...)

Monker - back to the Styx forum with you...
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:59 am

Andrew wrote:Journey will sound like Journey - trust me - I've heard proof! (No, not new tracks or new demos...)

Monker - back to the Styx forum with you...


Really? Okay, I'll take your word for it, Andrew...for now. :D I want to hear proof too though, dude! :D

You know what I mean by sounding like Journey, right? I'm referring to STYLE...
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:01 am

Matthew wrote:Great to see you standing up for high-standards, Fred. :)


Hey Matt, are you being serious or are you good-naturedly jabbing me? :D
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Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:05 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
Matthew wrote:Great to see you standing up for high-standards, Fred. :)


Hey Matt, are you being serious or are you good-naturedly jabbing me? :D


It was a good-natured jab. :)
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:12 am

Matthew wrote:
fred_journeyman wrote:
Matthew wrote:Great to see you standing up for high-standards, Fred. :)


Hey Matt, are you being serious or are you good-naturedly jabbing me? :D


It was a good-natured jab. :)


Thought I'd check... :) Thanks.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:39 am

Monker wrote:...and despite what so many people think - it won't be as large of an audience as they had with Augeri.



If I'm not mistaken, you only saw the Augeri lineup once? Twice at best?
I really don't think you're qualified to make that sort of statement.
I've been to multiple shows (though many have me beat) and I can assure you NOBODY CARES.
Oh sure, there are a few Augeri-only fans, but they are largely insignificant.
People come for the catalog, you plebeian asswipe.
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Postby Liam » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:40 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:you plebeian asswipe.


I don't know why but that was the funniest thing I've read all day. :lol:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:42 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
Monker wrote:The current tour is an 'event' and people are there for the nostalgia. When they tour solo, people will be there to hear JOURNEY. Period.

The tour following the first solo tour will only draw those who have accepted the changes...and despite what so many people think - it won't be as large of an audience as they had with Augeri.


This is the big problem. Soul SirkUS did not sound like Journey. In spite of Soto's talent as a vocalist and songwriter, it's doubtful that Journey will sound like Journey after a while, unless the guys make a concerted effort to create music along those predefined lines.

I guess the same could be said for aspects of ROR and TBF, however Perry, Smith and Valory were with the band (for the most part), so people will simply say that the sound of the band evolved. It happens with most bands.

I think with the personnel in this band, we'll have a great band, but it won't sound like Journey. I really and honestly think that it would be better for everyone if after this tour, they decided to continue as something else entirely.



The Schon/Soto collaboration "Believe in Me" sounded pretty Journey-esque.
In fact, some wondered why Neal didn't reserve it for "Generations".
I think with some tinkering many SS songs could be Journey songs.
After all, Neal wrote the music for "Out of Harm's Way" and "Faith in the Heartland" initially for PlanetUS/Sirkus.
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:45 am

"Coming Home". 8)
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:46 am

Calbear94 wrote:On Generations, Neal took advantage of complaints by fans over Arrival and Red 13, to merge the creative direction of Journey with that of Soul Sirkus.


That's pattently false.
Neal is even on record stating he created Sirkus so that he could rock hard "over there" and keep the Journey sound separate.
Many Journey fans complained "Red 13" rocked too hard.
The last thing Neal wanted to do was push their hard rock threshold even further to the extreme.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:46 am

JDouglee wrote:"Coming Home". 8)


Another good example.
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Postby Distant Voice » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:47 am

Escape79 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:you plebeian asswipe.


I don't know why but that was the funniest thing I've read all day. :lol:




This place is just full of laughs :lol: :roll:
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Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:47 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
Monker wrote:The current tour is an 'event' and people are there for the nostalgia. When they tour solo, people will be there to hear JOURNEY. Period.

The tour following the first solo tour will only draw those who have accepted the changes...and despite what so many people think - it won't be as large of an audience as they had with Augeri.


I really and honestly think that it would be better for everyone if after this tour, they decided to continue as something else entirely.


I'm coming round to this view as well...

Journey can - I reckon - continue to make money on the nostalgia circuit with JSS just as well - if not better - than they did with Augeri. And a new album with JSS is likely to be an improvement on "Arrival", "Red 13" and "Generations".

But nothing they do now can compare to their glorious achievements in the past. So why bother? To keep cashing-in on the 'brand name' despite the diminishing returns...to keep playing the same old songs night after night to casual fans who don't even know that Perry has left the band...to record an album without the support of a proper record company....I just can't imagine this was the vision for the band Schon and Cain had in mind when they were younger...and perhaps prouder than they are now.

I'm all for a JSS/Schon/Cain album - but maybe it's just too late for Journey? Maybe the Journey name has been damaged too much in the last eight years? Maybe it's time to let it go...and let the reissues and the DVDs and the classic rock radio playlists represent the band's music from now on?

Let's face it...only a Perry renuion will restore Journey to the level they deserve to be at now...and that isn't going to happen...so maybe it is time to call it a day?
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Postby Distant Voice » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:50 am

Matthew wrote:
fred_journeyman wrote:
Monker wrote:The current tour is an 'event' and people are there for the nostalgia. When they tour solo, people will be there to hear JOURNEY. Period.

The tour following the first solo tour will only draw those who have accepted the changes...and despite what so many people think - it won't be as large of an audience as they had with Augeri.


I really and honestly think that it would be better for everyone if after this tour, they decided to continue as something else entirely.


I'm coming round to this view as well...

Journey can - I reckon - continue to make money on the nostalgia circuit with JSS just as well - if not better - than they did with Augeri. And a new album with JSS is likely to be an improvement on "Arrival", "Red 13" and "Generations".

But nothing they do now can compare to their glorious achievements in the past. So why bother? To keep cashing-in on the 'brand name' despite the diminishing returns...to keep playing the same old songs night after night to casual fans who don't even know that Perry has left the band...to record an album without the support of a proper record company....I just can't imagine this was the vision for the band Schon and Cain had in mind when they were younger...and perhaps prouder than they are now.

I'm all for a JSS/Schon/Cain album - but maybe it's just too late for Journey? Maybe the Journey name has been damaged too much in the last eight years? Maybe it's time to let it go...and let the reissues and the DVDs and the classic rock radio playlists represent the band's music from now on?

Let's face it...only a Perry renuion will restore Journey to the level they deserve to be at now...and that isn't going to happen...so maybe it is time to call it a day?



Bravo... :wink:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:53 am

Distant Voice wrote:This place is just full of laughs :lol: :roll:


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Postby Deb » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:43 am

[quote="The_Noble_Cause]

The Schon/Soto collaboration "Believe in Me" sounded pretty Journey-esque.
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Exactly, very Journey sounding.........love it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwZJ5HgcLss
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Postby Andrew » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:49 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
You know what I mean by sounding like Journey, right? I'm referring to STYLE...


Jeff has LOVED Journey forever....why would he (if given the chance) want to change their style/formula/winning ways?

Sure, they can update their sound a little, add a few new tricks, but the soul and essence of Journey will never be messed with - not by Jeff or anyone else in the band.
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Postby Marabelle » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:52 am

TNC if you're going to call some one a ho at least spell the name correctly...ho..not hoe..skank...hot mess...the list goes on and on
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Postby Andrew » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Distant Voice wrote:This place is just full of laughs :lol: :roll:


While the chronic vaginal dryness and hot flashes which accompany menopause can make most women edgy, I really wish you would cheer up, HOTS.
Scraggly flea-bitten old hoe.


Now now...let's not get *too* descriptive there.
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Postby RPM » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:53 am

If given the offer, would Jeff want the job permanently??
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Postby Moon Beam » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:55 am

Andrew wrote:
fred_journeyman wrote:
You know what I mean by sounding like Journey, right? I'm referring to STYLE...


Jeff has LOVED Journey forever....why would he (if given the chance) want to change their style/formula/winning ways?

Sure, they can update their sound a little, add a few new tricks, but the soul and essence of Journey will never be messed with - not by Jeff or anyone else in the band.


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Postby jestor92 » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:38 pm

The thing I liked about JSS compared to Augeri is if the music weren't so loud, you might be able to fall asleep watching a Steve Augeri Journey led performance, when I saw JSS with Soul SirkUS and he was a real treat to watch. He has the rock n roll stage presence that Augeri doesn't have, the presence that Perry had.
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Postby AR » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:42 pm

you might be able to fall asleep watching a Steve Augeri Journey led performance


Bullshit. You have a right to your opinion, but thousands of others prove you are full of shit.

It's time for Jeff to take the reigns and recent events suck. However you are just off base with that comment.
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