any DT fans?

by **Chevypv** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:06 am

Just wondering, are there any Dream Theater fans here other than myself? Definitely My 2nd favorite band, possibly the most technically proficient band as a whole on earth....anybody else feelin the Dream Theater?

by **Andrew** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:17 am

Prefer Rush.

Used to love DT - too self indulgent nowdays...LOVE Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity though...

Agree that they are technically amazing players.

by **conversationpc** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:05 pm

Andrew wrote:Prefer Rush.

Used to love DT - too self indulgent nowdays...LOVE Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity though...

Agree that they are technically amazing players.

Nah, they stripped it way back with "Octavarium", in my opinion. Liquid Tension Experiment...Now THAT'S self-indulgent. Then again, I kinda like that every once in a while.

by **The Ghost Rider** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:44 pm

Yes, I am a Dream Theater fan. And, I'm with Andrew...I prefer RUSH. But then again...there's room in my musical world for both. Plus hundreds more.

Does anyone think DT would be a better band if the guys weren't quite so good at their respective instruments? That's not really my opinion, but that seems to be the biggest "knock" on them.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:58 pm

The Confessor wrote:Yes, I am a Dream Theater fan. And, I'm with Andrew...I prefer RUSH. But then again...there's room in my musical world for both. Plus hundreds more.

Does anyone think DT would be a better band if the guys weren't quite so good at their respective instruments? That's not really my opinion, but that seems to be the biggest "knock" on them.

well,, a friend gave me the dvd,,, i was digging it ,, was cleaning my house while listening,, etc... i started to get nervous,, frustrated,, i realized it was the music i was listening too,, it was DT live,, they are so good , they are off the map,, i had to put on "lick it up" to get normal again,, THAT good.....did or do u have that DT montage i put up where they do journey?

by **conversationpc** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:21 pm

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:i had to put on "lick it up" to get normal again,, THAT good.

by **yogi** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:42 am

Love Dream Theatre!!!!!!!!!!!

Triumph meets Styx meets Queensryche = Dream Theatre

by *Laura » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:51 am

Big DT fan here!

Images & Words is my fave album,and the live rendition of "Surrounded" at the Marquee in London back in 1993 never ceases to amaze me. :shock:

Also,Petrucci's guitar solo in "Another Day"...a true masterpiece.Definitely has a place in the top 3 best solos of all time!(at least in my book)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUPgSOwTIAA

However,I agree they would be much more appreciated (read popular) if they weren't SO good.A paradox,but true...
I guess super-skills can kill the human factor.

by **conversationpc** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:09 am

Shania wrote:Also,Petrucci's guitar solo in "Another Day"...a true masterpiece.Definitely has a place in the top 3 best solos of all time!(at least in my book)

Agreed. That's a great solo and song, for that matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUPgSOwTIAA

However,I agree they would be much more appreciated (read popular) if they weren't SO good.A paradox,but true...
I guess super-skills can kill the human factor.

It's all a matter of perception. Some people think that some of the super-technical players don't play with emotion, which is a load of crap. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Malmsteen, he's had the same thing said about him also and it's far from the truth.

by *Laura » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:26 am

conversationpc wrote:It's all a matter of perception. Some people think that some of the super-technical players don't play with emotion, which is a load of crap. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Malmsteen, he's had the same thing said about him also and it's far from the truth.

It sure is all about perception.
At one point I realized that some DT fans couldn't perceive the message of the music,because they were tending to pay more attention to the way the sounds are produced. :lol:

Sorta like a music lesson for them.

I really am fascinated by DT's phenomenal technique,and it's even more mind blowing because ALL of them are masters,but I honestly like their melodic songs more.

Funny,I was a Malmsteen fan too...

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:37 am

I am a HUGE DT fan too! My fave, though, is still their debut, "When Dream and Day Unite". Totally different singer and, sound-wise, cheaply engineered but I love every single song on that album. I remember reading a review about this new band back in 88-89 in RIP magazine that said, "A cross between Rush and Queensryche..." I didn't have to read anymore

And the song "Only a Matter of Time" contains one of my favorite lines; I have this line typed up, framed and hung on my wall at work...

"Likely or not, Its a Dream that we keep
and at odds with our senses we'll climb.
But if faith is the answer
then we've already reached it
and if spirit's a sign
then its only a matter of time..."

Very inspirational for me

by **conversationpc** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:41 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:I am a HUGE DT fan too! My fave, though, is still their debut, "When Dream and Day Unite". Totally different singer and, sound-wise, cheaply engineered but I love every single song on that album. I remember reading a review about this new band back in 88-89 in RIP magazine that said, "A cross between Rush and Queensryche..." I didn't have to read anymore

"When Dream and Day Unite" is a great album but it ranks behind "Images and Words", "Awake", "Metroplis, Pt 2: Scenes from a Memory", and "Train of Thought" for me. The one song that's as good as anything else they've ever done, though, is "Ytse Jam". That instrumental is simply as good as it gets.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:48 am

conversationpc wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:I am a HUGE DT fan too! My fave, though, is still their debut, "When Dream and Day Unite". Totally different singer and, sound-wise, cheaply engineered but I love every single song on that album. I remember reading a review about this new band back in 88-89 in RIP magazine that said, "A cross between Rush and Queensryche..." I didn't have to read anymore

"When Dream and Day Unite" is a great album but it ranks behind "Images and Words", "Awake", "Metroplis, Pt 2: Scenes from a Memory", and "Train of Thought" for me. The one song that's as good as anything else they've ever done, though, is "Ytse Jam". That instrumental is simply as good as it gets.

I love them all, its so hard for me to even rank them. Metropilos and the album dedicated to that tune/story are both phenominal. I love all of Awake. I thought losing Kevin Moore would hurt, songwriting wise, but Shenerrian filled in without a hitch and had some killer moments on "Falling/Infinity". I even love "6 Degrees of Sep"... Some people just don't get them. I've always said that, to really appreciate a band like DT, you have to be a musician yourself. Being a musician and hearing what they can do is half of it for me...
Would you not love to hear Neal and Petrucci duel on one of those rollcoaster ride, 8 minute DT masterpieces?

by **conversationpc** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:53 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:I love them all, its so hard for me to even rank them. Metropilos and the album dedicated to that tune/sory are both phenominal. I even love "6 Degrees of Sep"... Some people just don't get them. I've always said that, to really appreciate a band like DT, you have to be a musician yourself. Being a musician and hearing what they can do is half of it for me...

I'm not a musician, but I've played guitar some over the course of my life and I actually know more ABOUT playing guitar than any skill that I may actually have in playing. Anyway, I do GET DT. The first album I had of theirs was "Awake" and I was floored. Then I got "Images and Words" and was even more impressed. This was at about the same time that I was such a huge Malmsteen fan. My love for his music kinda faded away but I remain a big DT fan.

That being said, I was disappointed with "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence". "Train of Thought" was a huge step back in the right direction for me. Then I was disappointed again with "Octavarium". I think I've only listened to it once, perhaps twice.

Would you not love to hear Neal and Petrucci duel on one of those rollcoaster ride, 8 minute DT masterpieces?

I think something done by those two guys would be incredible. They're somewhat similar, though Petrucci's playing is more grounded in the technical side, while Neal's tends to lean towards the melodic side. I think their styles would sound good together.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:58 am

conversationpc wrote:"Train of Thought" was a huge step back in the right direction for me. Then I was disappointed again with "Octavarium". I think I've only listened to it once, perhaps twice.

Totally agreed

I think something done by those two guys would be incredible. They're somewhat similar, though Petrucci's playing is more grounded in the technical side, while Neal's tends to lean towards the melodic side. I think their styles would sound good together.

Would that not be an excellent G3 tour... Vai or Satch, Petrucci and Neal... For the Love of God, somebody put this shit together before I die!!!

by **conversationpc** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:09 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Would that not be an excellent G3 tour... Vai or Satch, Petrucci and Neal... For the Love of God, somebody put this shit together before I die!!!

Well, Petrucci has already been on the G3 tour once, so they'd probably be more likely to pick someone else.

by **whocares** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:15 am

I agree, Images and Words and Falling into Infinity are my faves too. Not so big a Malmsteen or Rush fan though. I just like what I like, and DT is one of those bands that I like a lot. Though they lost me a bit in the last few years.

by **caboshooter** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:57 pm

HUGE DT fan....love them, love them, love them. Rush - eh, not so much.

Would that not be an excellent G3 tour... Vai or Satch, Petrucci and Neal... For the Love of God, somebody put this shit together before I die!!!

A-FREAKING-MEN!!!

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:12 am

I love Dream Theater!!! "Images & Words" is one of my favorite cds, I play it pretty often.

I was in front row for one of their concerts, one of the only females - LOL They're GREAT in concert!!

I was given the set list from that night and a handful of guitar picks!

I just ordered their latest CD & DVD "Score: 20th Anniversary World Tour Live with the
Octavarium" I'm looking forward to receiving both in the mail!!

As for Rush, I LOVE Rush!! I've seen them quite a few times in concert since the 80's! I'm looking forward to their 2112 World Tour in 2007 !! I just joined the about Rush forum too, thanks for the link!! :wink:

Oh and of course I love the other mentioned on here, Styx, Queensryche & Triumph!!!

by **Big J** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:47 am

Love DT, not a Rush fan hardly at all.

I agree that DT can get a little too experimental and self-indulgent. Not as bad now as it was for awhile.

How's James LaBrie's voice in a live setting nowadays? He's incredible on album and every concert I've ever heard he's been unbearable.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:52 am

Big J wrote:Love DT, not a Rush fan hardly at all.

I agree that DT can get a little too experimental and self-indulgent. Not as bad now as it was for awhile.

How's James LaBrie's voice in a live setting nowadays? He's incredible on album and every concert I've ever heard he's been unbearable.

I've never been a huge fan of LaBrie's voice but he sounds OK on the "Scenes from New York" live DVD that I have. Not great but not bad, either. I've never heard any boots of DT so I can't comment on those.

by **Chevypv** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:54 am

Big J wrote:
How's James LaBrie's voice in a live setting nowadays? He's incredible on album and every concert I've ever heard he's been unbearable.

Ive heard some clips from "Score" and He sounds great, alot of people dont realize he ruptured a vocal chord back i believe right after the scenes tour....he got food poisoning really bad and vomitted too hard, thats why on most recent live stuff he sounded terrible, but i guess he has fully recovered now, i heard him singing "Under a Glass Moon" from images and he sounded just like the recording.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:55 am

Chevypv wrote:
Big J wrote:
How's James LaBrie's voice in a live setting nowadays? He's incredible on album and every concert I've ever heard he's been unbearable.

Ive heard some clips from "Score" and He sounds great, alot of people dont realize he ruptured a vocal chord back i believe right after the scenes tour....he got food poisoning really bad and vomitted too hard, thats why on most recent live stuff he sounded terrible, but i guess he has fully recovered now, i heard him singing "Under a Glass Moon" from images and he sounded just like the recording.

Wow! Hadn't heard about that. That must've been one heckuva vomit! :shock:

by **heardonthestreet** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:14 am

Did anybody mention James LaBrie's cover of Lovin Touchin Squeezin from DT's Big Medley? I just listened to it and was amazed at how fantastic it was. Sorry to bring this thread back but I didn't see the song mentioned.

by **X factor** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:26 am

Andrew wrote:Prefer Rush.

Used to love DT - too self indulgent nowdays...LOVE Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity though...

Agree that they are technically amazing players.

I agree, Andrew. I saw them back in the 90's and it was just a bit too masterbatory for my tastes...the certainly have chops, though.
If I'm in the mood for that feel, I listen to Savatage instead...

by **Chevypv** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:15 am

X factor wrote:
Andrew wrote:Prefer Rush.

Used to love DT - too self indulgent nowdays...LOVE Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity though...

Agree that they are technically amazing players.

I agree, Andrew. I saw them back in the 90's and it was just a bit too masterbatory for my tastes...the certainly have chops, though.
If I'm in the mood for that feel, I listen to Savatage instead...

If there was ever a terrible vocalist it was that guy from savatage, honestly, they dont hold a candle to DT musically, IMO

by **conversationpc** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:27 am

X factor wrote:If I'm in the mood for that feel, I listen to Savatage instead...

Savatage blows DT away in every category, except musicianship, and they are no slouches themselves.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:29 am

Andrew wrote:Used to love DT - too self indulgent nowdays...LOVE Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity though...

It's funny that a lot of rock & rollers have that whole "sex, drugs, rock & roll attitude" (not speaking of you) and then they turn around and say stuff like progressive rock is too "self indulgent". I'm like, huh? The "sex, drugs, rock & roll" thing is as self-indulgent as it can possibly get. Give me a break!

by **X factor** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:52 am

Chevypv wrote:
X factor wrote:
Andrew wrote:Prefer Rush.

Used to love DT - too self indulgent nowdays...LOVE Images & Words and Falling Into Infinity though...

Agree that they are technically amazing players.

I agree, Andrew. I saw them back in the 90's and it was just a bit too masterbatory for my tastes...the certainly have chops, though.
If I'm in the mood for that feel, I listen to Savatage instead...

If there was ever a terrible vocalist it was that guy from savatage, honestly, they dont hold a candle to DT musically, IMO

You think? I dig him...but you're right about the musicianship...no question there. Although the guys in Savatage are hardly novices...

by **conversationpc** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:08 pm

Chevypv wrote:If there was ever a terrible vocalist it was that guy from savatage, honestly, they dont hold a candle to DT musically, IMO

You must be talking about Jon Oliva, the original rhythm guitarist and lead singer. Yeah, he is an "acquired" taste, to put it lightly. His voice was good for what it was, a high shrieking, screamer. That was what the music called for back then and that's what he did. I always thought he sounded like Geddy Lee while on a thorazine withdrawal trip.

Anyway, Zachary Stevens became the lead singer after Criss Oliva died (killed in a car accident in Florida, caused by a drunk driver, which eventually led to the death of Criss' wife, Dawn

). Stevens was a much better singer and I prefer that era of Savatage. Actually, everything from "Gutter Ballet" through now has been pretty good, in my opinion.

Jon Oliva became lead singer again after Stevens bowed out. He doesn't shriek so much anymore but actually sounds very good, somewhat operatic, when he simply sings in chest voice. They have another new lead singer now, Damond Janiya, but I've yet to hear him, so it should be interesting to see what they come up with.

Anyway, yes DT are better musicians, technically speaking. Compositionally, though? Not necessarily. Savatage are still very accomplished musicians. Al Pitrelli is one of the better guitarists in the business and can play anything. Unfortunately, since Criss Oliva is no longer with us, or we'd still have another great guitar talent to listen to. That guy was phenomenal in his time.

MR

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