Which frontman (w/out Perry/Rolie/Fleischman)

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:55 am

Personne wrote:I voted!

Terence Hill???

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:00 am

donnaplease wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
Perhaps they should incorporate the talking to the coat thing Perry did on his FLOPSOME tour, how cool was that....

As much as I love Steve Perry, that was pretty damned funny!! FLOPSOME...

He'll be here all week, folks!!!

NoMoreTails conjures up the bastardized titles in his sleep.

by **ohsherrie** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:56 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:I just want a singer who can bring the Journey sound without imitating the Perry voice. That would be Jeff for me. Perryesque is fine, Perry imitation isn't.

Here's what I don't get...hypocracy doesn't exactly apply, but something along those lines....Augeri is brow beaten for naturally sounding similar to Perry tone-wise, yet using relatively few "Perryisms". But Jeff is revered while using very many Perryisms and Perry's enunciation most of the time. I don't have a problem with the way Jeff is doing the material based on the recent boots and know that Perry was a big influence on him and he will naturally sing the songs the way he knows them from memory. I think it could easily be said that he was the one, not Augeri, trying to copy Perry. Augeri just had the "misfortune" of having a natural Perry-ish sound. Again, a disclaimer, I like what I've heard from JSS recently and think he is doing the songs the way they should be done. But I don't feel that he's bringing anymore of his own thing to them than SA did.

I wish I knew how to explain it better NMT. I guess it's just a feeling I have about the way Jeff does the classics as opposed to the way Augeri did. I just didn't like the way Augeri did the material. I never thought he sounded like Perry, but like a thin, pale imitation of him. I don't think Jeff sounds like Perry, but incorporates some Perryisms into his performances. I don't mind the Perryisms because he doesn't sound like he's singing in a Perry type voice. He sounds like himself with a few Perry flourishes. I think of those flourishes as a sort of tribute to Steve, not as trying to imitate him.

by **ArnelRox** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:36 am

ohsherrie wrote:I wish I knew how to explain it better NMT. I guess it's just a feeling I have about the way Jeff does the classics as opposed to the way Augeri did. I just didn't like the way Augeri did the material. I never thought he sounded like Perry, but like a thin, pale imitation of him. I don't think Jeff sounds like Perry, but incorporates some Perryisms into his performances. I don't mind the Perryisms because he doesn't sound like he's singing in a Perry type voice. He sounds like himself with a few Perry flourishes. I think of those flourishes as a sort of tribute to Steve, not as trying to imitate him.

I think u described it just about perfectly. [applause]

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:05 am

ohsherrie wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:I just want a singer who can bring the Journey sound without imitating the Perry voice. That would be Jeff for me. Perryesque is fine, Perry imitation isn't.

Here's what I don't get...hypocracy doesn't exactly apply, but something along those lines....Augeri is brow beaten for naturally sounding similar to Perry tone-wise, yet using relatively few "Perryisms". But Jeff is revered while using very many Perryisms and Perry's enunciation most of the time. I don't have a problem with the way Jeff is doing the material based on the recent boots and know that Perry was a big influence on him and he will naturally sing the songs the way he knows them from memory. I think it could easily be said that he was the one, not Augeri, trying to copy Perry. Augeri just had the "misfortune" of having a natural Perry-ish sound. Again, a disclaimer, I like what I've heard from JSS recently and think he is doing the songs the way they should be done. But I don't feel that he's bringing anymore of his own thing to them than SA did.

I wish I knew how to explain it better NMT. I guess it's just a feeling I have about the way Jeff does the classics as opposed to the way Augeri did. I just didn't like the way Augeri did the material. I never thought he sounded like Perry, but like a thin, pale imitation of him. I don't think Jeff sounds like Perry, but incorporates some Perryisms into his performances. I don't mind the Perryisms because he doesn't sound like he's singing in a Perry type voice. He sounds like himself with a few Perry flourishes. I think of those flourishes as a sort of tribute to Steve, not as trying to imitate him.

I appreciate your thoughts on JSS, and tend to agree with it. As for Augeri, fine if you didn't like him, but I still don't see it as an imitation, as it was SA's natural voice.
The problem I did have with Journey w/SA was that on the new material they were slow to come around to having him use his own style, as some (ballads) of Arrival was tailored to be the way Perry might have done it.

by **Citygirl** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:09 am

I still think there are similarities between SA and Rod Stewart.

Plus Perry, Augeri and JSS all sound totally different from each other IMO. There might be the odd similarity if they're singing the same tunes but they're all different.

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:13 am

Citygirl wrote:I still think there are similarities between SA and Rod Stewart.

Plus Perry, Augeri and JSS all sound totally different from each other IMO. There might be the odd similarity if they're singing the same tunes but they're all different.

Agree, I've noticed a little Rod Stewart influence going all the way back to Tall Stories, SA has said he was a fan of Stewart's.

by **ArnelRox** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:49 am

NoMoreTails wrote: As for Augeri, fine if you didn't like him, but I still don't see it as an imitation, as it was SA's natural voice.

I think some parts of SA's voice sounded similar to Perry. When I heard Wild On The Run, I could see similarities & why he was described as being too Perryesque. But it was more his high range. He didn't have the rich soulfulness or the deep low parts Perry's voice had. Augeri showed his own style on Sister of Mercy which IMHO was an awesome song. I'm sorry he didn't have success w/Tall Stories. He might have had some great stuff inside him that we never got to hear. & it's sad this all ended up the way it did really. I'm still wondering why he didn't quit when he was ahead w/Journey. I'm still waiting for Tall Stories 2 as I wonder if some more of what he had was there?

On Arrival, I thought he put some of his own style into Kiss Me Softly. That was more his thang. It was a great song but not really Journeyesque. I'm just not sure that was the direction Journey wanted to go in at that time. They were trying to prove they could exist w/out Perry, I think & pushing to do the big style of songs from the Perry-era.

I don't know if the band pushed Augeri to be more like Perry or perhaps he pushed himself to do that as he tried to appeal to the Perry fans. Those were big shoes to step into. Maybe b/c of the failure of Tall Stories, Augeri's drive was beaten down & he just wanted his opportunity to prove he could be a rock & roll singer. So he didn't push enough to bring his own style to the music or to make new music that better suited him. Maybe he wasn't a great songwriter & did better just contributing a bit here & there to a song. B/c of that & him being more of a laid back fella who didn't want to push someone like Neal & Jon to do what was right for him, he just kinda followed their lead & didn't speak up. Maybe the band started out full of hope for him & realized his voice wasn't going to hold up hitting those high notes.Maybe b/c Augeri's dreams were smashed when TS didn't make it even tho he was "this" close. He gave music up for a while. I know Perry did too but he was younger, unattached, & music was a whole different climate back then. Not just in terms of what was popular but also the way bands got a chance. That all changed in the 90s. & Perry was more of a leader to begin w/& loved challenging himself & everyone he worked w/. By the time the Journey opportunity came around for Augeri, I think he was just damn excited to have the chance to be a frontman & live the dream he'd thought was part of his past. His personality wasn't that of a leader & maybe performing w/Neal & Jon intimidated him. So, he just went along for the ride, saying "yes" to them when he should have tried to inject himself. They needed a guy to play an active role. They might have thought they didn't at the time. Maybe they chose Augeri b/c they thought he'd be easier than Perry to deal w/. But they needed that "oomph" to really go forward.

W/Jeff, who has a proven track record as a songwriter, & who seems to be more of the kind of person who will assert himself, I believe he will influence songs & the direction of future Journey music. He also has a songwriting chemistry & history w/Neal & maybe that gives him more of an equal footing than Augeri ever had or perceived he had, if u know what I mean. Jeff has a soulfullness to his voice in the same league as Perry did although not in a copycat way. He has that power & richness to his pipes that Augeri just lacked. Also, Jeff never gave up music. He kept on trying. He had success in many ways but not in the US, his home, where he still really wants it. He hadn't gotten to the point of giving up on that yet. He might have thought about it. In fact, his new Talisman lyric notes suggest he did think of throwing in the towel once or twice. But it was just a fleeting thought. He still believes it will happen for him. Just fronting a classic rock band singing 80s songs isn't enough for Jeff. He'll want to make his own songs w/the band & put his stamp on it. He created a band w/Neal before Journey & he has a lot of respect amongst musicians even if he wasn't a household name to us yet. Therefore, he's not going to just "go along". He's going to want to inject himself into the creativity that ensues. He won't sacrifice his 20+ yrs of singing just to front Journey playing classic songs. He'll do it his way & put Jeff Scott Soto & everything he is into new songs that come out. He'll pump up Neal & Jon. He already is & u can hear it in the boots. He's what they always needed. I'm not sure they would have seen that in '98 if they'd met Jeff then. I think they wanted a follower then. Jeff has the "oomph" they need & I think they know they need it now.

by **Citygirl** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:56 am

I agree with you about Kiss Me Softly. That was more suited to his voice.

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:06 am

While I liked SA's lower voice well enough on Sister of Mercy and Kiss Me Softly, I always felt that his more natural sound was to be found on Wild On The Run, Out of Harms Way, Better Together.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:19 am

Citygirl wrote:I agree with you about Kiss Me Softly. That was more suited to his voice.

Augeri and Schon singing into the same mic.

by **Deb** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:39 am

JourneyRox wrote:W/Jeff, who has a proven track record as a songwriter, & who seems to be more of the kind of person who will assert himself, I believe he will influence songs & the direction of future Journey music. He also has a songwriting chemistry & history w/Neal & maybe that gives him more of an equal footing than Augeri ever had or perceived he had, if u know what I mean. Jeff has a soulfullness to his voice in the same league as Perry did although not in a copycat way. He has that power & richness to his pipes that Augeri just lacked. Also, Jeff never gave up music. He kept on trying. He had success in many ways but not in the US, his home, where he still really wants it. He hadn't gotten to the point of giving up on that yet. He might have thought about it. In fact, his new Talisman lyric notes suggest he did think of throwing in the towel once or twice. But it was just a fleeting thought. He still believes it will happen for him. Just fronting a classic rock band singing 80s songs isn't enough for Jeff. He'll want to make his own songs w/the band & put his stamp on it. He created a band w/Neal before Journey & he has a lot of respect amongst musicians even if he wasn't a household name to us yet. Therefore, he's not going to just "go along". He's going to want to inject himself into the creativity that ensues. He won't sacrifice his 20+ yrs of singing just to front Journey playing classic songs. He'll do it his way & put Jeff Scott Soto & everything he is into new songs that come out. He'll pump up Neal & Jon. He already is & u can hear it in the boots. He's what they always needed. I'm not sure they would have seen that in '98 if they'd met Jeff then. I think they wanted a follower then. Jeff has the "oomph" they need & I think they know they need it now.

I agree with ya JRox, I got that impression too, right from the start........I think he has the balls, like Perry, to push back if need be.

by **Cheska** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:23 am

Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

by **ohsherrie** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:24 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
I appreciate your thoughts on JSS, and tend to agree with it. As for Augeri, fine if you didn't like him, but I still don't see it as an imitation, as it was SA's natural voice.
The problem I did have with Journey w/SA was that on the new material they were slow to come around to having him use his own style, as some (ballads) of Arrival was tailored to be the way Perry might have done it.

I understand that it's his natural voice. It's not that I actually think he was exactly, personally trying to impersonate Steve Perry. I do think the band was trying to use that natural similarity of range and tone to imitate the sound they had with Perry. That's why I've called Augeri an imitation Perry.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:00 am

Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

by **Cheska** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:30 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

by **Vladan** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:31 am

Jeff Scott Soto

by **somethingtohide** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:14 pm

I have nothing against Augeri, but I have to vote for JSS.

With JSS the band feels like a living thing to me again.

by **NoMoreTails** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:56 pm

Cheska wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

Mikey Thomas is more wimpy than Perry, and possibly more full of himself.

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:33 pm

NoMoreTails wrote:
Cheska wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

Mikey Thomas is more wimpy than Perry, and possibly more full of himself.

I do love Starship, though.

by **NealIsGod** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:36 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
Cheska wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

Mikey Thomas is more wimpy than Perry, and possibly more full of himself.

I do love Starship, though.

pre-"We Built This City" Starship.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:39 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
Cheska wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

Mikey Thomas is more wimpy than Perry, and possibly more full of himself.

I do love Starship, though.

pre-"We Built This City" Starship.

As you would say, NIG, "True Dat"

For some reason one of my faves was "Nuclear Furniture"...
Don't ask why....

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:45 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
Cheska wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

Mikey Thomas is more wimpy than Perry, and possibly more full of himself.

I do love Starship, though.

pre-"We Built This City" Starship.

Nah...the above is one of my favorites....maybe for the memories it yields than the song quality itself....5th grade basketball practice @Wyncote Elementary.

by **squirt1** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:25 am

JSS ,unless you know who shows,then he better hand over the mike like he said in one of his posts. Next time they are in town ,I am going to get in the up front wc section,somehow.

by **Stumpflower** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:18 am

No one has ever taken Perry's place like Augeri. I have to go with him. Jeff Scott Soto is awesome, but he's just not the Journey type of guy.

by **Lula** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:33 am

Stumpflower wrote:No one has ever taken Perry's place like Augeri. I have to go with him. Jeff Scott Soto is awesome, but he's just not the Journey type of guy.

What the hell does this mean, the Journey type of guy??

by **Moose** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:37 am

Lula wrote:
Stumpflower wrote:No one has ever taken Perry's place like Augeri. I have to go with him. Jeff Scott Soto is awesome, but he's just not the Journey type of guy.

What the hell does this mean, the Journey type of guy??

Maybe Jeff is too masculine?

:cry:

by **Lula** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:40 am

Moose wrote:
Lula wrote:
Stumpflower wrote:No one has ever taken Perry's place like Augeri. I have to go with him. Jeff Scott Soto is awesome, but he's just not the Journey type of guy.

What the hell does this mean, the Journey type of guy??

Maybe Jeff is too masculine?

by **Deb** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:53 am

Moose wrote:
Lula wrote:
Stumpflower wrote:No one has ever taken Perry's place like Augeri. I have to go with him. Jeff Scott Soto is awesome, but he's just not the Journey type of guy.

What the hell does this mean, the Journey type of guy??

Maybe Jeff is too masculine?

Moose, who is that in your avatar?

by **Cheska** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:47 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
Cheska wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Cheska wrote:Mickey Thomas would fit the bill fine

I hope ur being funny. I love Mickey. But fronting Journey, no way.

I'm totally serious Mickey has a great voice

Mikey Thomas is more wimpy than Perry, and possibly more full of himself.

Do you know that for a fact or is that your personal opinion????

MR

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