Here is an Idea for you Journey.

[Matthew]

.........but I think that having three lead vocals would be pushing it.

But nobody said three lead vocals.
We're discussing "vocal trade-offs" and "duets".
Like in the early Perry days.

Jeff would remain the focal point of the album.

Well, duets are trade offs between two different lead vocals...but I take your point.

[Andrew]

The band shouldn't strive to replicate the one singer formula of Escape or any previous succesful template.

They should strive to do whatever comes naturally for the band, and right now, that is clearly having more than one singer.

Agreed, very much agreed and er, maybe...maybe not.

[ohsherrie]

12 great songs.

BIG sound.

1 singer.

= Classic.

Yep. With some real PR featuring Jeff prominently in TV appearances and concert footage.

[donnaplease]

12 great songs.

BIG sound.

1 singer.

= Classic.

Yep. With some real PR featuring Jeff prominently in TV appearances and concert footage.

I would imagine that JSS has the look to definitely attract some younger fans.

[ohsherrie]

12 great songs.

BIG sound.

1 singer.

= Classic.

Yep. With some real PR featuring Jeff prominently in TV appearances and concert footage.

I would imagine that JSS has the look to definitely attract some younger fans.

Exactly! Do some promos like the ones they did for EJ. Concert footage but no sound while a voice talks about Journey but with a new song playing in the background. You've got the Journey name, a great looking kickass frontman doing his high energy frontman thing and great music playing in the background.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Put the fuckin ass biting critics ( froy, McNeil, Aaron and that big bitch Monker)flat on their backs.

How long since a band put out a double album, or double disc?

Yeah, write 20-25 songs, and throw them ALL onto a set of double discs and produce it right this time.

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

You've got to get things straight. I'm the idea guy. The lost genius who's yet to be found. Kind of like that JSS guy.

You can't keep going around stealing my ideas and presenting them as your own. Where's your credibility? Where's your ethics?

This thread is tantamount to lip synching!

[Rockindeano]

Put the fuckin ass biting critics ( froy, McNeil, Aaron and that big bitch Monker)flat on their backs.

How long since a band put out a double album, or double disc?

Yeah, write 20-25 songs, and throw them ALL onto a set of double discs and produce it right this time.

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

You've got to get things straight. I'm the idea guy. The lost genius who's yet to be found. Kind of like that JSS guy.

You can't keep going around stealing my ideas and presenting them as your own. Where's your credibility? Where's your ethics?

This thread is tantamount to lip synching!

Dude, seriously, I sincerely hope you are being sarastic. Seriously.

I think for myself and so help me fucking God, if you are saying to my face that I stole this idea, I will haunt your dreams.


I am awaiting your response with baited breath.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Put the fuckin ass biting critics ( froy, McNeil, Aaron and that big bitch Monker)flat on their backs.

How long since a band put out a double album, or double disc?

Yeah, write 20-25 songs, and throw them ALL onto a set of double discs and produce it right this time.

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

You've got to get things straight. I'm the idea guy. The lost genius who's yet to be found. Kind of like that JSS guy.

You can't keep going around stealing my ideas and presenting them as your own. Where's your credibility? Where's your ethics?

This thread is tantamount to lip synching!

Dude, seriously, I sincerely hope you are being sarastic. Seriously.

I think for myself and so help me fucking God, if you are saying to my face that I stole this idea, I will haunt your dreams.


I am awaiting your response with baited breath.

Seeing you in my dreams would truly be something of a haunting!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

The band shouldn't strive to replicate the one singer formula of Escape or any previous succesful template.

They should strive to do whatever comes naturally for the band, and right now, that is clearly having more than one singer.

Agreed, very much agreed and er, maybe...maybe not.

This is a pretty dynamic situation that generates a lot of questions.

TNC states that the one singer formula shouldn't be used as a template but rather, multiple singers is the way to go similar to what was done on Infinity and Departure as well as what appears to be the current comfortable/natural condition.

Andrew states that one singer is the way to go for various reasons. Again one singer works depending on the desired effect.

One singer or multiple - either way - they're both templates. One is no better than the other. They each have merit and work depending on how they're put together.

What is the desired effect for the next album? I think that's the question that needs to be asked and answered. Once that's resolved then a whole new line of questions develop.

[RedWingFan]

Put the fuckin ass biting critics ( froy, McNeil, Aaron and that big bitch Monker)flat on their backs.

How long since a band put out a double album, or double disc?

Yeah, write 20-25 songs, and throw them ALL onto a set of double discs and produce it right this time.

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

You've got to get things straight. I'm the idea guy. The lost genius who's yet to be found. Kind of like that JSS guy.

You can't keep going around stealing my ideas and presenting them as your own. Where's your credibility? Where's your ethics?

This thread is tantamount to lip synching!

Dude, seriously, I sincerely hope you are being sarastic. Seriously.

I think for myself and so help me fucking God, if you are saying to my face that I stole this idea, I will haunt your dreams.


I am awaiting your response with baited breath.

Deano, you stole his idea???? Dude that is like lip synching!! Taking credit for things you didn't do. You shouldn't claim this idea as your own anyway, it's horrible. They made that crappy Generations album, then giving it away "free" at the shows to us fans. What I want to know is if you think they should do the same with the next cd??? You know make us buy it for coming to the show whether we want it or not? Before you say yes, remember "YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE!!!!" Shouldn't we get to choose?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Put the fuckin ass biting critics ( froy, McNeil, Aaron and that big bitch Monker)flat on their backs.

How long since a band put out a double album, or double disc?

Yeah, write 20-25 songs, and throw them ALL onto a set of double discs and produce it right this time.

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

You've got to get things straight. I'm the idea guy. The lost genius who's yet to be found. Kind of like that JSS guy.

You can't keep going around stealing my ideas and presenting them as your own. Where's your credibility? Where's your ethics?

This thread is tantamount to lip synching!

Dude, seriously, I sincerely hope you are being sarastic. Seriously.

I think for myself and so help me fucking God, if you are saying to my face that I stole this idea, I will haunt your dreams.


I am awaiting your response with baited breath.

Seems more like your baiting than waiting.

I make no apologies. I don't bite. I mean what I say and say what I mean.

I asked a QUESTION. I didn't make a STATEMENT or accuse you of something. I followed that up with the statement that if it's true then it's tantamount to lip synching.

You said you think for yourself. Fine. But you really never answered directly.

[NoMoreTails]

I know the next album WILL be a classic.

Of course it will be.
One of the most pivotal ingredients to being a rock band has finally returned: songwriting chemistry.

I agree there is reason to be optimistic, we've seen evidence of the Schon/Soto chemistry (though many MR folks didn't care for it...), but what do we know about the chemistry between JSS and JC at this point? My listing Jon after Jeff here may reflect a bit of a feeling that Jon may be pushed to the background at least a bit. Possibly similar to the way Neal was the odd man out on the Cain/Perry efforts, even upon Cain's first joining and writing Escape.

[Matthew]

I know the next album WILL be a classic.

Of course it will be.
One of the most pivotal ingredients to being a rock band has finally returned: songwriting chemistry.

I agree there is reason to be optimistic, we've seen evidence of the Schon/Soto chemistry (though many MR folks didn't care for it...), but what do we know about the chemistry between JSS and JC at this point? My listing Jon after Jeff here may reflect a bit of a feeling that Jon may be pushed to the background at least a bit. Possibly similar to the way Neal was the odd man out on the Cain/Perry efforts, even upon Cain's first joining and writing Escape.

I agree that it's too early to know whether or not the song-writing chemistry has returned. But is it true that Schon used to be the odd man out back in the 1980s? Just wondering if this is one of those myths about Journey. Take ROR - which is often cited as the ultimate example of Schon being marginalized. Most of the preparatory work for ROR was done by Schon and Cain.

I guess my point is that Schon and Cain have the most enduring and consistent relationship out of any of the past and present Journey members. They've been working almost constantly together for twenty five years. Even the SS CD was recorded at Cain's house, wasn't it? So I'd be surprised if Cain gets pushed to the background on this next album.

[wildone]

I know the next album WILL be a classic.

Of course it will be.
One of the most pivotal ingredients to being a rock band has finally returned: songwriting chemistry.

I agree there is reason to be optimistic, we've seen evidence of the Schon/Soto chemistry (though many MR folks didn't care for it...), but what do we know about the chemistry between JSS and JC at this point? My listing Jon after Jeff here may reflect a bit of a feeling that Jon may be pushed to the background at least a bit. Possibly similar to the way Neal was the odd man out on the Cain/Perry efforts, even upon Cain's first joining and writing Escape.

I agree that it's too early to know whether or not the song-writing chemistry has returned. But is it true that Schon used to be the odd man out back in the 1980s? Just wondering if this is one of those myths about Journey. Take ROR - which is often cited as the ultimate example of Schon being marginalized. Most of the preparatory work for ROR was done by Schon and Cain.

I guess my point is that Schon and Cain have the most enduring and consistent relationship out of any of the past and present Journey members. They've been working almost constantly together for twenty five years. Even the SS CD was recorded at Cain's house, wasn't it? So I'd be surprised if Cain gets pushed to the background on this next album.

we just hope it doesn't turn into a S.S thing we all know how that ended!

[NoMoreTails]

I know the next album WILL be a classic.

Of course it will be.
One of the most pivotal ingredients to being a rock band has finally returned: songwriting chemistry.

I agree there is reason to be optimistic, we've seen evidence of the Schon/Soto chemistry (though many MR folks didn't care for it...), but what do we know about the chemistry between JSS and JC at this point? My listing Jon after Jeff here may reflect a bit of a feeling that Jon may be pushed to the background at least a bit. Possibly similar to the way Neal was the odd man out on the Cain/Perry efforts, even upon Cain's first joining and writing Escape.

I agree that it's too early to know whether or not the song-writing chemistry has returned. But is it true that Schon used to be the odd man out back in the 1980s? Just wondering if this is one of those myths about Journey. Take ROR - which is often cited as the ultimate example of Schon being marginalized. Most of the preparatory work for ROR was done by Schon and Cain.

I guess you have to be reading through Perry-colored glasses to interpret everything Anit-Perry as a "Journey Myth."
Go back and count Neal's songwriting credits even on Escape and Frontiers. He wrote on the majority, sure, but not on all tunes as SP and JC did, did he write on as great a percentage as he had through Departure?
I think by ROR he definitely was the odd man out, his influence is barely there. The "preparatory" work they did was probably mostly stuff that Perry left behind in pursuit of his ROR "vision". Neal's and Jon's initial work was probably for the (should have been) Freedom.

I guess my point is that Schon and Cain have the most enduring and consistent relationship out of any of the past and present Journey members.

Obviously, Perry is out of the picture.
Furthermore, Jon and Neal have had a friendship along with a working relationship which I doubt would have ever been the case with SP and JC, SP being the ass that we was...oh, sorry, yet another "Journey myth".

Even the SS CD was recorded at Cain's house, wasn't it? So I'd be surprised if Cain gets pushed to the background on this next album.

So? A number of Neal's solo/side projects have been recorded at Jon's studio or with Jon's help to varying degrees. Recording a Schon-Soto written Journey album at Jon's studio would have Cain's customary input?

However, to clarify, I'm not saying Jon will have no input, just wondering if he'll be in the third position, as Neal used to be in the 80s. If this is the case, I'm not even saying it would be a bad thing, as new material should include few ballads and sentimental material in favor of more rockers.

[Matthew]

I guess you have to be reading through Perry-colored glasses to interpret everything Anit-Perry as a "Journey Myth."

No - not "everything" - but there's a lot of whining seems pretty inaccurate to me.

Go back and count Neal's songwriting credits even on Escape and Frontiers. He wrote on the majority, sure,

Exactly. He was hardly 'in the cold' or the 'odd man out'.

I think by ROR he definitely was the odd man out, his influence is barely there. The "preparatory" work they did was probably mostly stuff that Perry left behind in pursuit of his ROR "vision". Neal's and Jon's initial work was probably for the (should have been) Freedom.

According to the 1986 interview at the Hard Rock Cafe (posted recently in another thread), the initiative for the change of direction came from Schon and Cain. This idea that Journey were all set to record a hard rocking album until Perry 'hijacked' the project is ridiculous.

Why is it so hard for Schon's die-hard fan base to accept that Schon wasn't a victim? That he was as just responsible for Journey's career and direction as Perry?

But by all means...carry on feeling sorry for Schon...I'm sure he appreciates your pity.

Furthermore, Jon and Neal have had a friendship along with a working relationship which I doubt would have ever been the case with SP and JC, SP being the ass that we was...oh, sorry, yet another "Journey myth".

It's true - Perry had a professional relationship with Schon and Cain. Do you cosy up with your colleagues after work the whole time?

So? A number of Neal's solo/side projects have been recorded at Jon's studio or with Jon's help to varying degrees. Recording a Schon-Soto written Journey album at Jon's studio would have Cain's customary input?

I'm not sure what you're taking issue with here.

However, to clarify, I'm not saying Jon will have no input, just wondering if he'll be in the third position, as Neal used to be in the 80s. If this is the case, I'm not even saying it would be a bad thing, as new material should include few ballads and sentimental material in favor of more rockers.

Another myth....that Cain is the "ballad and sentimental material" guy who doesn't know how to write a rocker. Sure, Cain wrote "Faithfully" and co-wrote "Open Arms" - but he also co-wrote "Edge of the Blade" and many other of Journey's heaviest songs.

And equally...Schon is capable of producing light, romantic music. His solo albums are rarely heavy...and are full of instrumental cover vesions of massively commercial ballads.

And even JSS himself gets bugged when he is pigeon-holed as a rocker...and he too has recorded a load of ballads.

So it seems to me there's no reason at all for a conflict of interests on the next album.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

Me and Deano were both bouncing around album ideas online.
I suggested a double-album, he suggested doing something like Springsteen, and then he went ahead and wrote this thread.

There was no stealing from you, FYRE.

U have to understand that most people simply aren't interested in your TexMex-inspired ramblings.
We want JSS and Neal to rock, not do the fucking merengue.

[NoMoreTails]

Exactly. He was hardly 'in the cold' or the 'odd man out'.

I don't think I wrote that he was left out in the cold but he certainly was the odd man of the three left out of a number of tunes, granted he probably was glad to be left out of some.
I'm saying that perhaps Cain, who wrote on all songs 1981-86,1995(6), may find that its JSS and NS who write on every song, while he's left off the odd song here and there.

According to the 1986 interview at the Hard Rock Cafe (posted recently in another thread), the initiative for the change of direction came from Schon and Cain.".

BS and Spin, like all the other interviews and promo surrounding ROR...and much of Journey's history before and since.

Why is it so hard for Schon's die-hard fan base to accept that Schon wasn't a victim? That he was as just responsible for Journey's career and direction as Perry?.".

Schon was more a victim of his own greed than he was of Perry, Cain too.

But by all means...carry on feeling sorry for Schon...I'm sure he appreciates your pity..".

Perry is the one who's made a life of wallowing in the pity of his fans.

It's true - Perry had a professional relationship with Schon and Cain. Do you cosy up with your colleagues after work the whole time? ."

I'm not in a band and on the road with my co-workers, but I get along with them more than Perry and Schon did.

Another myth....that Cain is the "ballad and sentimental material" guy who doesn't know how to write a rocker. Sure, Cain wrote "Faithfully" and co-wrote "Open Arms" - but he also co-wrote "Edge of the Blade" and many other of Journey's heaviest songs.."

Cain's being the ballad and sentiment guy is not a myth....as for the second part of that sentence, I never said he didn't know how to write a rocker. However, I believe that the harder rockers tended to have greater input from Neal, from a musical standpoint.

So it seems to me there's no reason at all for a conflict of interests on the next album.

Thanks, you've convinced me that Cain and JSS will work together every bit as well as Cain and Perry ever did.
I had hoped to hear what TNC's view might be as he sometimes seems to have an "in"sight, but I feel more at ease now.

[Matthew]

I'm saying that perhaps Cain, who wrote on all songs 1981-86,1995(6), may find that its JSS and NS who write on every song, while he's left off the odd song here and there.

Yes - I'd agree with that.

BS and Spin, like all the other interviews and promo surrounding ROR...and much of Journey's history before and since.

It's true that there have been many statements from the band which we musn't take at face value.

Schon was more a victim of his own greed than he was of Perry, Cain too.

Agai I agree...

Perry is the one who's made a life of wallowing in the pity of his fans.

He can indeed be a little molly-coddled by his fan base.

I'm not in a band and on the road with my co-workers, but I get along with them more than Perry and Schon did.

Maybe for a while - but for years on end tensions would develop. That's why 99% of bands break up. Plus the tension between the two 'voices' of Journey was part of the chemistry which made the music so special.

Cain's being the ballad and sentiment guy is not a myth....as for the second part of that sentence, I never said he didn't know how to write a rocker. However, I believe that the harder rockers tended to have greater input from Neal, from a musical standpoint.

That's true - but left to his own devices Schon rarely lets rip. The vast majority of his releases have been a bit 'soft' no matter who he works with.

Thanks, you've convinced me that Cain and JSS will work together every bit as well as Cain and Perry ever did.

I doubt that...

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Are you sure this is your idea or did you pinch this one from my Dream JOURNEY Project just like you did the duet idea with a hot female singer?

Me and Deano were both bouncing around album ideas online.
I suggested a double-album, he suggested doing something like Springsteen, and then he went ahead and wrote this thread.

There was no stealing from you, FYRE.

U have to understand that most people simply aren't interested in your TexMex-inspired ramblings.
We want JSS and Neal to rock, not do the fucking merengue.

You're wrong. Almost NOBODY is interested in my TexMex-inspired ramblings. It's obvious JOURNEY has ZERO interest in them. So what? Do you think I lose sleep at night?

My reason behind the double disc is simply because they've never done a studio release in this format. I figured it's long overdue. It lends itself to being sequenced in some interesting ways. It's hardly an idea that's inherently part of the Latin rhtythm genre nor was it intended to be!

You know, you and a few others here and at BT have some GREAT ideas and thoughts. I include myself in that group despite the fact that I don't have the personality or ego to properly express myself. Why isn't JOURNEY contacting us and taking us on as their creative consultants?

[SteveForever]

Dear Journey, no matter what happens down the road fans from MR will come here and talk about the band and post and support Andrew, no matter what!
But....could you please look at Def Leppard's website and either get a new website and keep the old or make significant changes!!!!!! Why does Journey have to be such a mystery? Why do we have to sift thru mounds of garbage to find one piece of new information? We love you and we are fanatics.....we give you our money and our attention, we'd buy a song from you that was the rock version of the multiplication tables=where's the love? Def Leppard's site is totally easy to navigate, the music and videos are upbeat and there is actual news on there daily, not just about new swag.
Communicate with us----not thru just one fan--please SURPRISE US!!!!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

[quote="Matthew"]


I just wanted to say that that's always been one of my favorite pics of KISS!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Dear Journey, no matter what happens down the road fans from MR will come here and talk about the band and post and support Andrew, no matter what!
But....could you please look at Def Leppard's website and either get a new website and keep the old or make significant changes!!!!!! Why does Journey have to be such a mystery? Why do we have to sift thru mounds of garbage to find one piece of new information? We love you and we are fanatics.....we give you our money and our attention, we'd buy a song from you that was the rock version of the multiplication tables=where's the love? Def Leppard's site is totally easy to navigate, the music and videos are upbeat and there is actual news on there daily, not just about new swag.
Communicate with us----not thru just one fan--please SURPRISE US!!!!

BRAVO! The JOURNEY website is truly a turn-off. It's a MESS.

[ArnelRox]

I would imagine that JSS has the look to definitely attract some younger fans.

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I'll say! & then some.

[yulog]

you mean like 35 yr olds?

[jrnyman28]

10 Kick Ass tracks sung by JSS. One bonus track at the end of the disc with Deen singing lead (but still use JSS vocals heavily in the harmony).

[ArnelRox]

you mean like 35 yr olds?

No. He looks like he's in his 20s. That will attract people from teens up.

[donnaplease]

you mean like 35 yr olds?

[donnaplease]

you mean like 35 yr olds?

[yulog]

you mean like 35 yr olds?