Reality

[Matthew]

It's a rock band and predictably, it's what people expect a band to do. To reunite, time and again seems to be an expected event and if it never happens with Journey, they will have failed, imo. If Perry ever agrees it will be the biggest favor he could ever do them but at this stage, I doubt they or the fans that trashed him deserve it. JMO!

They already reunited and it didn't work out.

It did. We got an album from the classic line-up. Who cares about the tour? Not me.

How many more times do they need to try?

One.

[Matthew]

If I was Journey's manager I'd hire that creepy therapist with the terrible jumpers who saved Metallica from a total meltdown and put those three boneheads in a room together and maybe, just maybe they can work their magic one last time before they're all carted off to the old people's home. If that means Journey never tour again, FINE. Just give me ONE LAST PROPER ALBUM WHICH IS WORTHY OF THE JOURNEY NAME.

Well...that was an utterly futile expression of fan rage. But thank you for letting me share.

Truer word were never spoken.
I would support this idea wholeheartedly.

And afterwords, punish them for denying us the last 8 years by sticking them all in the SAME old folks home.

So there.

Great idea.

[maverick218]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

I agree- think about it, with JSS, we get a touring Journey that will also make new music (hopefully) in the near future; and also hopefully, get a new SP studio CD, and maybe a small tour. I want Journey to continue as long as they want to, and I think that reuniting with SP would be a "one off" deal and that would be the end of Journey. I think that having them working, but separately, is the best of both worlds.

[PROPERRY]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

Agreed, then I think all will have the best of both worlds.
Journey being Journey, Perry not wanting to be Journey but out touring his solo records and singing Classic Jrny...

I disagree....a reunion of Perry/Schon/Cain in the recording studio beats every other option by a mile.

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It's a rock band and predictably, it's what people expect a band to do. To reunite, time and again seems to be an expected event and if it never happens with Journey, they will have failed, imo. If Perry ever agrees it will be the biggest favor he could ever do them but at this stage, I doubt they or the fans that trashed him deserve it. JMO!

I don't know if Perry would ever reunite with Journey again, IF HE DID, it would be an AMAZING show that's for sure!! I think it is just terribly sad how some fans have trashed Perry over the years, I just hope he is aware that HE still has TONS OF FANS that have GREAT respect & love for him!!!

Lori

[ohsherrie]

Yes, I know Sherrie - but the last eight years have also resoundingly confirmed just how badly Perry, Schon and Cain need each other.

Anyway, I was responding to the statements from people who said they'd "rather" see Perry work separately from Schon and Cain...that if presented with a choice they'd go for Perry solo and Journey with JSS.

This is just 'making do' for all concerned, I reckon - and Perry, Schon and Cain need to get over themselves and recognise how feeble their records are when they don't record together. No Journey album since 1998 comes remotely close to those which came before...and Perry's solo career is nowhere near as good as his work with Journey either. And anyone with ears knows this is true.

If I was Journey's manager I'd hire that creepy therapist with the terrible jumpers who saved Metallica from a total meltdown and put those three boneheads in a room together and maybe, just maybe they can work their magic one last time before they're all carted off to the old people's home. If that means Journey never tour again, FINE. Just give me ONE LAST PROPER ALBUM WHICH IS WORTHY OF THE JOURNEY NAME.

Well...that was an utterly futile expression of fan rage. But thank you for letting me share.

I hear you Matt and agree with your emtionally, but intellectually I think it's already too late for them to get the magic back. Besides them having personal hard feelings toward each other from the past, the events that have happened since 1997 have just driven them further apart. I would imagine that Steve would like to maintain a distance between the Journey that he was part of and the Journey that played the "Under the Radar" circuit, recorded two CDs that were largely ignored by the industry as well as most of the fans still buying the catalog releases, and then pulled the "tapegate" thing.(No personal dig intended, just the way I think it might look from Steve's perspective given the fears he had about what would happen to the legacy if they "cracked the stone" by going on without him.) The band on the other hand seems to be very happy with Jeff and probably knows they wouldn't be having as much fun with Steve after all that's gone on between them. Now if Jeff can help them regain some of the credibility they've lost, and I think that's a good possibility, there may still be time for some mending of fences, but I don't think it will ever involve a true reunion.

[fred-journeyman]

I don't know if Perry would ever reunite with Journey again, IF HE DID, it would be an AMAZING show that's for sure!! I think it is just terribly sad how some fans have trashed Perry over the years, I just hope he is aware that HE still has TONS OF FANS that have GREAT respect & love for him!!!

Lori

And this is what bugs me. We all know about the Eagles and how much they hated each other during the last few years prior to disbanding. They said they'd get back together when "hell froze over." They finally got together and aptly renamed their tour "The Hell Freezes Over" tour, or something like that. I saw them not long ago and they sounded great for aging rockers. They still had that connection not only with their music, but an obvious new respect for one another.

I have always stated that whether or not Perry got back together with Neal, what was most important for me was for all these guys to bury the hatchet and make up. I STILL think that's more important than them getting together to create more music. At the same time, it would be nice to see Perry get back with the guys to produce more music. Whether or not he ever toured with Journey is a moot point (at least to me). Journey should probably continue on with JSS and see what happens. Yet, as a side project, wouldn't it be cool to have Perry work with Cain and Schon again to create new music? I think so. I'm not holding my breath though.

[ohsherrie]

it would be nice to see Perry get back with the guys to produce more music. Whether or not he ever toured with Journey is a moot point (at least to me). Journey should probably continue on with JSS and see what happens. Yet, as a side project, wouldn't it be cool to have Perry work with Cain and Schon again to create new music? I think so. I'm not holding my breath though.

I can imagine the possibility of fences being mended to that extent if they could get beyond the friction over Journey. I could even possibly envision Perry helping with the writing and producing for Journey if he likes what he sees them doing with Jeff.

[SF-Dano]

Matthew wrote:


Yes, I know Sherrie - but the last eight years have also resoundingly confirmed just how badly Perry, Schon and Cain need each other.

Anyway, I was responding to the statements from people who said they'd "rather" see Perry work separately from Schon and Cain...that if presented with a choice they'd go for Perry solo and Journey with JSS.

This is just 'making do' for all concerned, I reckon - and Perry, Schon and Cain need to get over themselves and recognise how feeble their records are when they don't record together. No Journey album since 1998 comes remotely close to those which came before...and Perry's solo career is nowhere near as good as his work with Journey either. And anyone with ears knows this is true.

If I was Journey's manager I'd hire that creepy therapist with the terrible jumpers who saved Metallica from a total meltdown and put those three boneheads in a room together and maybe, just maybe they can work their magic one last time before they're all carted off to the old people's home. If that means Journey never tour again, FINE. Just give me ONE LAST PROPER ALBUM WHICH IS WORTHY OF THE JOURNEY NAME.

Well...that was an utterly futile expression of fan rage. But thank you for letting me share.

There was quite alot of opinion in there that was stated as fact. IMO TBF was not a stellar effort nor was ROR. I prefer Arrival to either of those two.

[NealIsGod]

it would be nice to see Perry get back with the guys to produce more music. Whether or not he ever toured with Journey is a moot point (at least to me). Journey should probably continue on with JSS and see what happens. Yet, as a side project, wouldn't it be cool to have Perry work with Cain and Schon again to create new music? I think so. I'm not holding my breath though.

I can imagine the possibility of fences being mended to that extent if they could get beyond the friction over Journey. I could even possibly envision Perry helping with the writing and producing for Journey if he likes what he sees them doing with Jeff.

Now THAT would be amazing. I'm sure JSS would love that.

[ohsherrie]

it would be nice to see Perry get back with the guys to produce more music. Whether or not he ever toured with Journey is a moot point (at least to me). Journey should probably continue on with JSS and see what happens. Yet, as a side project, wouldn't it be cool to have Perry work with Cain and Schon again to create new music? I think so. I'm not holding my breath though.

I can imagine the possibility of fences being mended to that extent if they could get beyond the friction over Journey. I could even possibly envision Perry helping with the writing and producing for Journey if he likes what he sees them doing with Jeff.

Now THAT would be amazing. I'm sure JSS would love that.

Yeah, wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall in some of those sessions? I know I would. I'd even cater them.

[yogi]

Journey needs to make a new CD with Steve Perry at the helm.

They then need to do their touring with JSS as the lead man.

One of the main reasons that Steve Perry wont tour is because he is addicted to soap operas. There is an entire story about how he never missed an episode of Loving, All My Children and General Hospital from 1995-2002. When Loving was cancelled he had to seek medical help for depression. He was thinking of ofting himself. That was his favorite soap.

Since 1995 has has never missed an All My Children or General Hospital show. Steve Perry was actually a major force behind Rick Springfield being brought back as Dr. Noah Drake earlier this year. You can read it all at www.soapoperadigest.com or listen to Steve talk about his soap opera addiction on www.soapnet.org.

If only someone could teach him how to use a VCR,or TVIO his favorite soaps then we may get him back on tour.

[ArnelRox]

I think it is just terribly sad how some fans have trashed Perry over the years, I just hope he is aware that HE still has TONS OF FANS that have GREAT respect & love for him!!!

Ur right Lori, it's amazing that so many people hate Perry as if he'd done something personal to them. I don't get it. He stopped singing. That's all.

[bluejeangirl76]

Journey needs to make a new CD with Steve Perry at the helm.

They then need to do their touring with JSS as the lead man.

One of the main reasons that Steve Perry wont tour is because he is addicted to soap operas. There is an entire story about how he never missed an episode of Loving, All My Children and General Hospital from 1995-2002.

See this is where the internet rumors completely screw everything up. Because I read that is was The Young and the Restless. And As The World Turns too, but only when Meg Ryan was on it.

F**king Perry. If he can produce an entire DVD on his own, he can jolly well learn to work a TiVo.

[fred_journeyman]

it would be nice to see Perry get back with the guys to produce more music. Whether or not he ever toured with Journey is a moot point (at least to me). Journey should probably continue on with JSS and see what happens. Yet, as a side project, wouldn't it be cool to have Perry work with Cain and Schon again to create new music? I think so. I'm not holding my breath though.

I can imagine the possibility of fences being mended to that extent if they could get beyond the friction over Journey. I could even possibly envision Perry helping with the writing and producing for Journey if he likes what he sees them doing with Jeff.

I agree. I think it would be an awesome collaboration.

[ArnelRox]

I can imagine the possibility of fences being mended to that extent if they could get beyond the friction over Journey. I could even possibly envision Perry helping with the writing and producing for Journey if he likes what he sees them doing with Jeff.

I agree. I think it would be an awesome collaboration.

It would, but I don't think it will happen. Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

[heardonthestreet]

it would be nice to see Perry get back with the guys to produce more music. Whether or not he ever toured with Journey is a moot point (at least to me). Journey should probably continue on with JSS and see what happens. Yet, as a side project, wouldn't it be cool to have Perry work with Cain and Schon again to create new music? I think so. I'm not holding my breath though.

I can imagine the possibility of fences being mended to that extent if they could get beyond the friction over Journey. I could even possibly envision Perry helping with the writing and producing for Journey if he likes what he sees them doing with Jeff.

I agree. I think it would be an awesome collaboration.

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I'd rather just hear Perry cover some of his all time favorite songs, paying tribute to his favorite vocalists. His great taste in music is evident and it could only be wonderfull.















Let JSS write the songs. He can reinvent Journey on his own merits, or lack thereof, whatever the case. Let time tell.

[L~L~L]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

[Lula]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

You may very well be confusing bitter with a sense of humor. NOMATA

[ArnelRox]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

It's just a "hunch" I have. Enough said.

[L~L~L]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

You may very well be confusing bitter with a sense of humor. NOMATA

Or vice versa, to each it's own. I don't see Perry forming businesses with names of the likes of "No More Socks"

[Lula]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

You may very well be confusing bitter with a sense of humor. NOMATA

Or vice versa, to each it's own. I don't see Perry forming businesses with names of the likes of "No More Socks"

No bitterness here. As for the socks comment... you must be one of those "Perry only" types.

[bluejeangirl76]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

Really? Did he not produce 2 DVDs?
Did he not just work on the remasters?
I would call that helping Journey since they get a cut on all of that.

I wouldn't rule anything out because anything he does that helps Journey, also helps himself.
Even if it's just continuing to crank out DVDs and another round of reissues in 5 years. He can be the next Pete Townshend. Sell all of Journey's songs to car commercials and make a friggin' mint just doing that.

[L~L~L]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

You may very well be confusing bitter with a sense of humor. NOMATA

Or vice versa, to each it's own. I don't see Perry forming businesses with names of the likes of "No More Socks"

No bitterness here. As for the socks comment... you must be one of those "Perry only" types.

Don't label me, I am who I am and I call it as I see it. Unless you know something I don't. And from your "nomota" humor comment you must be a "Schon rules" only

[Lula]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

You may very well be confusing bitter with a sense of humor. NOMATA

Or vice versa, to each it's own. I don't see Perry forming businesses with names of the likes of "No More Socks"

No bitterness here. As for the socks comment... you must be one of those "Perry only" types.

Don't label me, I am who I am and I call it as I see it. Unless you know something I don't. And from your "nomota" humor comment you must be a "Schon rules" only

Nope, not me. Though I do love the talent Neal brings, I am a fan of Journey- past and present. I do think Neal is a hell of a lot nicer than Steve, but of course that is only my opinion.

[L~L~L]

Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

How do you figure that? Maybe it is the other way around, I mean look at their business name *NOMOTA* = no more tails.
Who's the bitter one?

You may very well be confusing bitter with a sense of humor. NOMATA

Or vice versa, to each it's own. I don't see Perry forming businesses with names of the likes of "No More Socks"

No bitterness here. As for the socks comment... you must be one of those "Perry only" types.

Don't label me, I am who I am and I call it as I see it. Unless you know something I don't. And from your "nomota" humor comment you must be a "Schon rules" only

Nope, not me. Though I do love the talent Neal brings, I am a fan of Journey- past and present. I do think Neal is a hell of a lot nicer than Steve, but of course that is only my opinion.

Ahhh there it is, it is only your opinion and not fact. Now go argue with Fyrewyngs, Good day.

[ArnelRox]

Really? Did he not produce 2 DVDs?
Did he not just work on the remasters?
I would call that helping Journey since they get a cut on all of that.

I wouldn't rule anything out because anything he does that helps Journey, also helps himself.
Even if it's just continuing to crank out DVDs and another round of reissues in 5 years. He can be the next Pete Townshend. Sell all of Journey's songs to car commercials and make a friggin' mint just doing that.

You're confusing preserving the legacy of the Journey he was a part of w/helping the Journey of the present & future, which is what was being called for here. He will always preserve the legacy he was a part of, even if the rest of the "corp" gets a cut of that. But he won't help them progress by writing for them. To him, the legacy is everything.

[L~L~L]

Really? Did he not produce 2 DVDs?
Did he not just work on the remasters?
I would call that helping Journey since they get a cut on all of that.

I wouldn't rule anything out because anything he does that helps Journey, also helps himself.
Even if it's just continuing to crank out DVDs and another round of reissues in 5 years. He can be the next Pete Townshend. Sell all of Journey's songs to car commercials and make a friggin' mint just doing that.

You're confusing preserving the legacy of the Journey he was a part of w/helping the Journey of the present & future, which is what was being called for here. He will always preserve the legacy he was a part of, even if the rest of the "corp" gets a cut of that. But he won't help them progress by writing for them. To him, the legacy is everything.

With all due respect, it is their duty to maintain themselves not Perry's. They didn't want him in the band then why should they want him helping them right songs now. Wouldn't that be considered the mother of all admissions that they can't move forward without him.

[ohsherrie]

Really? Did he not produce 2 DVDs?
Did he not just work on the remasters?
I would call that helping Journey since they get a cut on all of that.

I wouldn't rule anything out because anything he does that helps Journey, also helps himself.
Even if it's just continuing to crank out DVDs and another round of reissues in 5 years. He can be the next Pete Townshend. Sell all of Journey's songs to car commercials and make a friggin' mint just doing that.

You're confusing preserving the legacy of the Journey he was a part of w/helping the Journey of the present & future, which is what was being called for here. He will always preserve the legacy he was a part of, even if the rest of the "corp" gets a cut of that. But he won't help them progress by writing for them. To him, the legacy is everything.

I think you're right about that with conditions being what they are at the present time JRox. I was talking earlier about what I could imagine could happen if they all ever got over the animosity. I think if Jeff's presence can help the band regain some credibility, and given that Steve already recognizes Jeff's talent I think that could happen, Steve may get over some of his resentment of what's happened over the last few years. I don't think he'll ever share his stage with another singer, but he might try to help them by giving his magic touch to some of their music if he was to come to respect their efforts.

[fred_journeyman]

It would, but I don't think it will happen. Perry's bitter about this still. He'll never do anything that will help Journey.

That's my feeling as well.

[fred_journeyman]

...I do think Neal is a hell of a lot nicer than Steve, but of course that is only my opinion.

Could be, but I'm beginning to think that Steve knows how to wrap his intelligence around a decision better than Neal.

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