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[Monker]

Monker, I have an idea for ya. Everyone here says u know more about Journey history than anyone. Well at least, between u & Froy. So how about this. Why don't u give us some education? Start an interesting topic. Get us going. It's gonna be pretty dead here for the next few days w/everyone in Baltimore. Here is ur big chance to start new topics, get convos going & make this board interesting. Posting threads like this might be funny, but it's nothing new. So let's get w/it, huh?

I'm sure u have so much great stuff to tell us that we don't know & wouldn't know where to go to find. Let's go...

Look, I don't feel like I have anthing to prove. I just do what I do. It's just a forum, not an encyclopedia!

[Monker]

I remember reading your post from the days of the good ol' Journey digest...way back just before Steve Perry left Journey in '98.

Was that Steve Lake's page???
I remember posting there alittle and remember Monker...
Whatever happened to "MEANIE"???
Tat fuckin' guy ALWAYS cracked me up!

Well, Steven didn't maintain the digest, but I think that is where I first found the link to sign up for the digest. I guess this was probably around the time when TBF came out...so I wanted to look up as much info on Journey at that point as I could.

Steve Lake did have a forum for a short while. It didn't last long cuz he didn't have the patience to deal with all of the "stuff" that went along with a Journey forum. He was already spending a lot of time on his website...especialy leading up to TBF. Of course there was also Skylord's forum, and one other. I can't remember who maintained the last one...but it went down for the same reasons...and for selling copies of pictures of Perry without permission. If Lora is lurking, she may know more about that.

[Monker]

I remember reading your post from the days of the good ol' Journey digest...way back just before Steve Perry left Journey in '98.

Was that Steve Lake's page???
I remember posting there alittle and remember Monker...
Whatever happened to "MEANIE"???
Tat f'n guy ALWAYS cracked me up!

I don't remember being able to post on Steven Lake's page. I think Skylord's was the first real forum. Monker, you were a tough guy, but somewhat fair. Dimino (Meanie) was the real jerk. Heard he got nailed for lying & plagiarizing. Don't remember.


later~

LOL...yeah, Meanie said several times that I agreed with most of what he said, but, I was the more "diplomatic" poster.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I remember reading your post from the days of the good ol' Journey digest...way back just before Steve Perry left Journey in '98.

Was that Steve Lake's page???
I remember posting there alittle and remember Monker...
Whatever happened to "MEANIE"???
Tat fuckin' guy ALWAYS cracked me up!

Well, Steven didn't maintain the digest, but I think that is where I first found the link to sign up for the digest. I guess this was probably around the time when TBF came out...so I wanted to look up as much info on Journey at that point as I could.

Steve Lake did have a forum for a short while. It didn't last long cuz he didn't have the patience to deal with all of the "stuff" that went along with a Journey forum. He was already spending a lot of time on his website...especialy leading up to TBF. Of course there was also Skylord's forum, and one other. I can't remember who maintained the last one...but it went down for the same reasons...and for selling copies of pictures of Perry without permission. If Lora is lurking, she may know more about that.

Maybe it was Skylord's page I was thinking about...
I do remember you, Monker, but I always wondered what happenned to 'Meanie' (Mike?).
The dude was a SERIOUS Perry hater, claimed he knew him personally on some level and had some relly juicey stuff on him but never spilled the beans.
Was the mysterious Reardon ever on that page?

[Monker]

Oh Monker my dear. You seem to be back in true form.

Aaaaawwww the old days when we were all crawling from the primordial swamp. You were talking positive about Augeri/Journey and browbeating Perry and his fans. I was talking positive about Perry/Journey and browbeating Augeri and his fans. Now it seems that we have evolved yet again. I'm feeling positive about JSS/Journey and you're resenting him and his fans for much the same reason I resented Augeri and his. The common DNA strain among us in these messageboard worlds which we cohabit is in the Journey gene. We are all ultimately Journey fans of one species or another.

I wish Dan had the old Journey digest archives up. Maybe he does, I haven't checked in a while...

But, I railed on Journey for their silence months after TBF was released, with no sign of a tour, no sign of a future, no sign that Journey even existed. Meanie's twin Jim Rudd was on the digest saying that Journey had disbanded. But, there was NOTHING to say either way.

Same thing is happening today...except there is NO REASON why the BAND can't tell us what is going on. For TBF, it was PERRY who should have been talking - to both the fans AND the band. After all, it was HIS "injury" that was screwing everything up. In this case, it is the band's decision to replace Augeri that has screwed everything up...and they should have been more open about from THE START - whenever the start of that was.

And, I don't 'resent' JSS. It's just at this point, I don't think it matters who is singing for Journey. They are in their final years of existence. That's just a plain fact. In 1998, it wsa obvious to me that Journey had a lot more left in them...and they did.

[Crazie Scarab]

Oh Monker my dear. You seem to be back in true form.

Aaaaawwww the old days when we were all crawling from the primordial swamp. You were talking positive about Augeri/Journey and browbeating Perry and his fans. I was talking positive about Perry/Journey and browbeating Augeri and his fans. Now it seems that we have evolved yet again. I'm feeling positive about JSS/Journey and you're resenting him and his fans for much the same reason I resented Augeri and his. The common DNA strain among us in these messageboard worlds which we cohabit is in the Journey gene. We are all ultimately Journey fans of one species or another.

I wish Dan had the old Journey digest archives up. Maybe he does, I haven't checked in a while...

But, I railed on Journey for their silence months after TBF was released, with no sign of a tour, no sign of a future, no sign that Journey even existed. Meanie's twin Jim Rudd was on the digest saying that Journey had disbanded. But, there was NOTHING to say either way.

Same thing is happening today...except there is NO REASON why the BAND can't tell us what is going on. For TBF, it was PERRY who should have been talking - to both the fans AND the band. After all, it was HIS "injury" that was screwing everything up. In this case, it is the band's decision to replace Augeri that has screwed everything up...and they should have been more open about from THE START - whenever the start of that was.

And, I don't 'resent' JSS. It's just at this point, I don't think it matters who is singing for Journey. They are in their final years of existence. That's just a plain fact. In 1998, it wsa obvious to me that Journey had a lot more left in them...and they did.

Hey Monker.. Journey has their own special way of getting through shit. It is totally incomprehensible, at best, to all of us, dude.

[Monker]

Maybe it was Skylord's page I was thinking about...
I do remember you, Monker, but I always wondered what happenned to 'Meanie' (Mike?).
The dude was a SERIOUS Perry hater, claimed he knew him personally on some level and had some relly juicey stuff on him but never spilled the beans.
Was the mysterious Reardon ever on that page?

I don't know what happened to Meanie. He was on BT when it first started. In a way, he was the first 'casualty' of the censorship type rules there. He could never adapt to that forum...

He did show up on the VH1 forum...at least I think it was him. He made a "You guys are still arguing about the same old crap?" type msg and railed on OhSherrie and HOTS for a few posts, and then disapeared again.

No, Reardon didn't show up until BT, where he was repeatedly kicked off. Sky's forum had Towanda instead....just as bad, LOL!

[ohsherrie]

But, I railed on Journey for their silence months after TBF was released, with no sign of a tour, no sign of a future, no sign that Journey even existed.

You've told me this before and I never doubted your word.

Same thing is happening today...except there is NO REASON why the BAND can't tell us what is going on. For TBF, it was PERRY who should have been talking - to both the fans AND the band. After all, it was HIS "injury" that was screwing everything up. In this case, it is the band's decision to replace Augeri that has screwed everything up...and they should have been more open about from THE START - whenever the start of that was.

But Monker, Augeri could have come out and admitted that he couldn't do it anymore just like Perry could have been more candid about his problems back then. If it was the band that wouldn't let Augeri do so then you're right, it's on all of them. Perry may have let a lot of people down with his lack of candor, but he didn't go out there and try to dupe people into thinking he could still do it when he couldn't. Perry chose his way and Augeri chose his. Whacha gonna do with these guys?

And, I don't 'resent' JSS. It's just at this point, I don't think it matters who is singing for Journey. They are in their final years of existence. That's just a plain fact. In 1998, it wsa obvious to me that Journey had a lot more left in them...and they did.

I knew resent was the wrong word as soon as I posted it. I know you have no personal resentment towards Jeff. I just meant that you're feeling the same thing about Augeri being replaced as I did about Perry being replaced. The reasons for our feelings may be a little different, but basically we're feeling the same sense of betrayal. You don't like having Augeri vilified and I didn't like Perry being vilified. That's why I feel like you're fighting the same battle now that I did back then.

Yes Journey had a lot more to give back in '98 and they have a lot more to give now. I think they now have a frontman that can help them give it. Why not give them one more chance? If I can I know you sure as hell can.

[fred_journeyman]

I think it's pretty cool that this thread hasn't burned down the house yet! Nice.

[ohsherrie]

He did show up on the VH1 forum...at least I think it was him. He made a "You guys are still arguing about the same old crap?" type msg and railed on OhSherrie and HOTS for a few posts, and then disapeared again.

I don't think railed quite covers it. (strange how that happened)

[ohsherrie]

I think it's pretty cool that this thread hasn't burned down the house yet! Nice.

Yeah, maybe some of us grew up a bit in our midlives.

[fred_journeyman]

Yeah, maybe some of us grew up a bit in our midlives.

I still have relapses...every once in a while...

[ohsherrie]

Yeah, maybe some of us grew up a bit in our midlives.

I still have relapses...every once in a while...

Don't we all?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Same thing is happening today...except there is NO REASON why the BAND can't tell us what is going on. For TBF, it was PERRY who should have been talking - to both the fans AND the band. After all, it was HIS "injury" that was screwing everything up. In this case, it is the band's decision to replace Augeri that has screwed everything up...and they should have been more open about from THE START - whenever the start of that was.

Those of us that have accepted the use of tapes know fully well WHY the band can't acknowledge a word, though I understand where benighted assholes like you are coming from.
Don't u get it, gelatin brain?
The past 8 years have been a french charade! A farce!

In 1998, it wsa obvious to me that Journey had a lot more left in them...and they did.

Neal gets better every year and I think the writing triumvirate of Soto, Schon & Cain will prove to be a fruitful relationship. There is more life in the band now than in 1998.

[heardonthestreet]

It's never safe to build on a rotten foundation, Noble.

Fruitful as in a lot of Lemon's?

[Greg]

Neal gets better every year and I think the writing triumvirate of Soto, Schon & Cain will prove to be a fruitful relationship. There is more life in the band now than in 1998.

I agree. I have a very good feeling about this lineup. A bands' success has alot to do with their chemistry and ability to write music as well as perform it...I've followed JSS in his other projects and the man knows how to write music --- Journey type of songs...

[Monker]

[quote="heardonthestreet"]It's never safe to build on a rotten foundation, Noble.
[quote]

They broke the chans and found an answer and built on every stone
But, on the way they lost the dreamtime out in the great unknown.
Men of great vision but alone in this land
They have a mission to do all that they can.

What will it mean to future generations?
How will it feel when they come face to face?
There's only one way to save this situation.
These years ahead, LIKE THE PAST, must be embraced

So, lead the way and tell the story
All in the name of your own glory
Brake the chans and find an answer
Build on every stone
Look to find another dreamtime
Out in the great unknown.

[Schon Rules All]

It's never safe to build on a rotten foundation, Noble.

Fruitful as in a lot of Lemon's?

Why do you post here? What the hell was the point of that comment? I don't even care for Soto's vocals,and thought that was a real bitchy thing to say..

[Crazie Scarab]

Neal gets better every year and I think the writing triumvirate of Soto, Schon & Cain will prove to be a fruitful relationship. There is more life in the band now than in 1998.

I agree. I have a very good feeling about this lineup. A bands' success has alot to do with their chemistry and ability to write music as well as perform it...I've followed JSS in his other projects and the man knows how to write music --- Journey type of songs...

And, I agree with both of you. Then they should take the new music and perfect it, lay it down in tracks, package & promote it the right way, get it out to the fans, radio stations, etc., and finally, get it PLAYED out there. Then, after it has been out there a little while, begin a tour and promote it there as well.