Open letter to Steve Augeri

[Lula]

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

You are WAY off base.

[donnaplease]

I'm sorry, but I'm past all this. I'm looking toward a new Journey now, a great Journey now, a LIVE Journey now.

You and me both!! The whole thing has been a pain in my ass . I did learn a lot about people I thought I knew and am glad for that lesson.... now let's move on!!

Did you say you fell on your ass????? I think I've heard that somewhere before...

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I'm sorry, but I'm past all this. I'm looking toward a new Journey now, a great Journey now, a LIVE Journey now.

You and me both!! The whole thing has been a pain in my ass . I did learn a lot about people I thought I knew and am glad for that lesson.... now let's move on!!

Now that certain people have gotten their way it's time to "move on."

This will NEVER be "over". You can bold and capitalize it all you want but people will NEVER "move on" from this. It's now part of JOURNEY's legacy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

[ArnelRox]

I'm not disagreeing with your assessment regarding Augeri lip-sync'g, but the idea of pulling the mic away from one's mouth while singing. That is also when the singer is going to really BELT out a note and they pull the mic away slightly to ensure that the volume through the mic won't necessarily change that much. Perry did this and even I would not be surprised if JSS does it as well. To hit some of the high notes required for Journey tunes, you really have to reach down and let it flow up and out. In order for that to happen, you almost always need more air, which translates to more volume.

As I say, I'm not disagreeing with you about the lipping, just adding on to your comment about why singers pull the mic away at times. But then again, I jumped in here in the middle of the conversation too. Are you saying that Augeri went through the "act" of doing what every singer does in the normal course of a concert when they're singing LIVE?

Good explanation Fred, thanks. & yes, Augeri DID the above from 1998-2003 & at least part, or most, of 2004. He was then live. In 2005, he STOPPED doing that. The mic stayed at his mouth ALL the time. I don't just mean close to his mouth. I mean touching his lips.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I'm sorry, but I'm past all this. I'm looking toward a new Journey now, a great Journey now, a LIVE Journey now.

You and me both!! The whole thing has been a pain in my ass . I did learn a lot about people I thought I knew and am glad for that lesson.... now let's move on!!

Now that certain people have gotten their way it's time to "move on."

This will NEVER be "over". You can bold and capitalize it all you want but people will NEVER "move on" from this. It's now part of JOURNEY's legacy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Move on from what? Another lead singer switch? All people are going to remember from this is that Steve Augeri could not recover from a "throat infection" and had to be replaced. I don't think it will leave a dark spot on Journey's legacy.

[Carlitto H@kk]

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

If you're gonna talk conspiracies then at least make them "Juicy"
You know, like...
STEVE PERRY fed all the tapegate info to Deano and the others involved because he was so pissed off that the band had moved on and did just fine w/o him. And the real reason that the band has been so nice to Dean is because Perry also fed Dean info about Neal and Jon that would tear us apart if ever brought to light...
Like...
It was actually Jon that pushed Ross and Smitty out of the band because, with all the new synth technology coming out, he felt he could be a one-man-band and Neal actually designed all the outfits for the ROR tour

[Lula]

Now that certain people have gotten their way it's time to "move on."

This will NEVER be "over". You can bold and capitalize it all you want but people will NEVER "move on" from this. It's now part of JOURNEY's legacy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

"Certain people" Fyre?
It is over. A band member was unable to do his job and has been let go. A new singer is on board and can do the job. Yup, moved on. Of course this will always be in the history of Journey, but that does not mean it will be the focus. You have always come across as a negative nellie to me, so I'm not too surprised here. Live in the past all you want, I'm looking forward.

[donnaplease]

I'm sorry, but I'm past all this. I'm looking toward a new Journey now, a great Journey now, a LIVE Journey now.

You and me both!! The whole thing has been a pain in my ass . I did learn a lot about people I thought I knew and am glad for that lesson.... now let's move on!!

Now that certain people have gotten their way it's time to "move on."

This will NEVER be "over". You can bold and capitalize it all you want but people will NEVER "move on" from this. It's now part of JOURNEY's legacy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

You really think people will remember this in a 5 years? A year??? Honestly, if people 'still don't know that Steve Perry left the band', how the hell do you think they'll know or care about this? Especially when JSS is Bringin' It every night on stage. This is but a blip in the radar, soon to be forgotten by most.

[Andrew]

Tapegate has been NOTHING but a hurricane of self-serving hot air released over this forum from a bloated, constipated colon!

For the LAST time - give it a rest.

[Carlitto H@kk]

This will NEVER be "over". You can bold and capitalize it all you want but people will NEVER "move on" from this. It's now part of JOURNEY's legacy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

This will never be over in "Our Little Internet Universe" because peeps like
you will be complaining about for years to come.
The average Joe-Concertgoer or Jane-Musicbuyer probably has NO IDEA
what TapeGate is...
Just drop it already.

[Mark H]

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

If you're gonna talk conspiracies then at least make them "Juicy"
You know, like...
STEVE PERRY fed all the tapegate info to Deano and the others involved because he was so pissed off that the band had moved on and did just fine w/o him. And the real reason that the band has been so nice to Dean is because Perry also fed Dean info about Neal and Jon that would tear us apart if ever brought to light...
Like...
It was actually Jon that pushed Ross and Smitty out of the band because, with all the new synth technology coming out, he felt he could be a one-man-band and Neal actually designed all the outfits for the ROR tour

I like the way your going with this, but I was gonna save that take for either the end of series 1 or the start of series 2. Damn..you beat me to the punch...you're not a scriptwriter are you?

[Mark H]

This will NEVER be "over". You can bold and capitalize it all you want but people will NEVER "move on" from this. It's now part of JOURNEY's legacy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

This will never be over in "Our Little Internet Universe" because peeps like
you will be complaining about for years to come.
The average Joe-Concertgoer or Jane-Musicbuyer probably has NO IDEA
what TapeGate is...
Just drop it already.

Agree completely....this place is just a pimple on a gnats arse in the wider Journey universe.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Tapegate has been NOTHING but a hurricane of self-serving hot air released over this forum from a bloated, constipated colon!

For the LAST time - give it a rest.

Did Deano "give it a rest" when he was whipping the Tapegate wagon train?

Absolutely not.

According to Deano he whipped the wagon train until he single-handedly affected change. Today there's people like myself who question things and we're requested to "give it a rest".

I LOVE the double standard!

As moderator and owner here you can squelch me and others who question BUT Tapegate has bruised the JOURNEY legacy and it will forever be their blackeye in the vein of Milli Vanilli. It will forever be a subject of controversy just as it is with Steve Perry.

Supporters of Tapegate want to claim consumer fraud and have hung it all on SA. They say he should've done this and he should've done that. I say that NO ONE here is in a position to know ALL of the details as to WHY things were done so it's entirely impossible and out of line to say what should've been done. Instead of squelching voices now it seems to me that certain voices should've been squelched before that big blast of hot gas exploded.

[Lula]

Tapegate has been NOTHING but a hurricane of self-serving hot air released over this forum from a bloated, constipated colon!

For the LAST time - give it a rest.

Did Deano "give it a rest" when he was whipping the Tapegate wagon train?

Absolutely not.

According to Deano he whipped the wagon train until he single-handedly affected change. Today there's people like myself who question things and we're requested to "give it a rest".

I LOVE the double standard!

As moderator and owner here you can squelch me and others who question BUT Tapegate has bruised the JOURNEY legacy and it will forever be their blackeye in the vein of Milli Vanilli. It will forever be a subject of controversy just as it is with Steve Perry.

Supporters of Tapegate want to claim consumer fraud and have hung it all on SA. They say he should've done this and he should've done that. I say that NO ONE here is in a position to know ALL of the details as to WHY things were done so it's entirely impossible and out of line to say what should've been done. Instead of squelching voices now it seems to me that certain voices should've been squelched before that big blast of hot gas exploded.

You really don't know when to stop, do you? Dean left the board and started a blog to continue with his allegations out of respect for Andrew. If you are so bent on asking questions of your own and know of others that have questions, start your own blog to do it. Many of us have moved on with the desire to see Journey do something. You seem to harbor bitterness. You also seem to know what so many are thinking. Take it to a place you can control and seek those answers to the many questions you might have.

[Liz22562]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

[Lula]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

The debate? Relative questions? Right, okay. Whether or not he believes is not the issue, the issue is "give it a rest" or simply take it elsewhere.

[whocares]

Fyre, I know Monker, YOU sir, are NO Monker. Stop acting like him.

[Matthew]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

I have to say I agree with Liz here - even though Fyre is like a dog with a bone when it comes to his two favourite subjects (I daren't even mention the other one) I think he puts up a good fight against the status quo here.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

That's a hole-in-one post right there.

The fact that I'm being pressed to "give it a rest" actually speaks VOLUMES about those who are doing the pressing.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

I have to say I agree with Liz here - even though Fyre is like a dog with a bone when it comes to his two favourite subjects (I daren't even mention the other one) I think he puts up a good fight against the status quo here.

Hey - ease up on that "other" subject. It's a long lost dream by now and I'm not sure I'll ever recover.

[Matthew]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

That's a hole-in-one post right there.

The fact that I'm being pressed to "give it a rest" actually speaks VOLUMES about those who are doing the pressing.

Well, I've pressing you to answer my question (which I'm not going to ask for the fourth time) but I've decided to give that a rest.

[Lula]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

That's a hole-in-one post right there.

The fact that I'm being pressed to "give it a rest" actually speaks VOLUMES about those who are doing the pressing.

I just can't seem to figure out why? Why now? Did you not participate in this topic while it was the only thing being discussed? Do you simply want to keep it alive? In all sincerity, I'm just trying to understand.

[Matthew]

Fyre didn't bring the topic up, he's merely adding to the debate. He isn't doing anything different than anyone else other than asking relative questions. But of course, because he chooses to believe something different, he's a trouble maker.

Par for the course....

I have to say I agree with Liz here - even though Fyre is like a dog with a bone when it comes to his two favourite subjects (I daren't even mention the other one) I think he puts up a good fight against the status quo here.

Hey - ease up on that "other" subject. It's a long lost dream by now and I'm not sure I'll ever recover.

You'll be back in action soon enough, Fyre....

[Big J]

Are we done yet......cos even I'm gettin bored now.

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

Nah, I don't think the band has any clue that Deano is who he is when he's met them.

[Matthew]

Are we done yet......cos even I'm gettin bored now.

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

Nah, I don't think the band has any clue that Deano is who he is when he's met them.

I find that very hard to believe....but I guess it would explain why Journey seem to show no resentment whatsoever about his blog...

[Big J]

Are we done yet......cos even I'm gettin bored now.

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

Nah, I don't think the band has any clue that Deano is who he is when he's met them.

I find that very hard to believe....but I guess it would explain why Journey seem to show no resentment whatsoever about his blog...

That mess gave Neal a headache. There's no way he pals up to the guy in the photos we've seen posted.

They've got no clue. JSS probably knows...but Neal? No way.

[ArnelRox]

Is this thread STILL going?

Fyre, start ur own board to discuss Journey Tapegate. It's been talked about here for 5 months. Talking about it isn't resolving anything & it's really really really boring. Most of us here are done w/it.

As for those who think the band doesn't know who Dean is, come on! Get a grip people.

I really hope Andrew locks this thread. It's way past time.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Is this thread STILL going?

I really hope Andrew locks this thread. It's way past time.

Hell No...
Let this fucker keep rolling!!!

I ain't seen so many misguided, diluted fucktards all
in the same place since the PMRC trials

Maybe they'll get so hung up on thier conspiracies that they
won't have anytime to invade other, more promising threads...
'Cept you, Matty...
But you are running with a lame crowd these days

[Granny]

Are we done yet......cos even I'm gettin bored now.

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

Nah, I don't think the band has any clue that Deano is who he is when he's met them.

I find that very hard to believe....but I guess it would explain why Journey seem to show no resentment whatsoever about his blog...

That mess gave Neal a headache. There's no way he pals up to the guy in the photos we've seen posted.

They've got no clue. JSS probably knows...but Neal? No way.

Well, sir, I need to tell u this...We were out at the busses after the concert and my daughter and I saw Neal and we started waving at him, he waved back and then closed the door inside the bus...Deano told the driver to tell him Deano was there, which he did and Neal came running out and hugged Deano and Lula...sure looked like he knew them...I will be mature and not call u any names...but please wise up and get with the program...Deano knows him very well...

[MCC620]

Are we done yet......cos even I'm gettin bored now.

As i sit here on my grassy knowl, blowing smoke rings outa my arse and watchin the Xfiles, I leave you with this scenario.........

Just suppose that Deano was fed the tapegate information by a Journey insider and asked to give it wings so that Steve's position would be untenable and the door would be open for Jeff... would sure explain why Deano is still in good books with the band after an event that may well have cost the band a couple of million in payoff.

I sure hope I am way off base with this but wondered if the thought had crossed anyone else's mind.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory........ (pass the asbestos....full suit i think)

Nah, I don't think the band has any clue that Deano is who he is when he's met them.

I find that very hard to believe....but I guess it would explain why Journey seem to show no resentment whatsoever about his blog...

That mess gave Neal a headache. There's no way he pals up to the guy in the photos we've seen posted.

They've got no clue. JSS probably knows...but Neal? No way.

He knows who Dean is. Even Lula said,

My latest claim to fame was in Vegas and Neal asked if I was RockinDeano's girlfriend .... I was afraid Somehow the band knew I was involved with Dean and it was not from Jeff, he assured me. Neal said Deen told him

here's the link to the thread in case you think I made that quote up. http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/sea ... de=results

Neal knows everything about his band and what's being said. For anyone to think otherwise is quite naive.