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Postby junky » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:12 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:The Perry part is the intro before the first verse (i.e. the backwards bit.) Your vid starts after that. Some ppl who've heard it live say it's the original intro and I think I read that JSS confirmed it. At any rate, Perry gets paid every time they use it, so it isn't like they're ripping it off w/out permission or anything.

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It is the original intro from TBF. They've used it many times before. What's the big deal now?

JourneyRox, thanks again for the video. It's nice to have another special memory from that night in Hollywood. :D
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Postby fred_journeyman » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:59 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:Fred, you missed the explanation.

Jabberwocky wrote:The Perry part is the intro before the first verse (i.e. the backwards bit.) Your vid starts after that. Some ppl who've heard it live say it's the original intro and I think I read that JSS confirmed it. At any rate, Perry gets paid every time they use it, so it isn't like they're ripping it off w/out permission or anything.

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Guess so. Thanks. :)
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Postby LucyFurr » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:24 am

TVL wrote:Probably Deen on backing vocal's. People trying to stir up another controversy.
I agree on that. Deen sounds sooooo much like Perry when hes backing. Personally, I'm glad to hear they are playing newer stuff. I was weirded out at first too, but then I know what an influence Perry and Cook are to JSS, so it made sense. Hell, I sing Perry-isms in my shower, car, anywhere, every day, so why wouldnt JSS do it too?

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Re: The MOL & IBAWY videos I took...

Postby Moose » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:30 am

JourneyRox wrote:Well I'm a bit pissed. Apparently, my message re: the 11/7 show & my MOL & IBAWY videos are the subject of discussions on Perry boards. I certainly did not post those videos so that people could have a chance to rip them apart.

1. They are ticked off that Jeff included the "Cupid, draw back ur bow" bit in IBAWY. Why? If Perry included that as a tribute to Sam Cooke, why can Jeff not include it as a tribute to Perry & Sam Cooke? He has told us he is a big fan of both & his style was influenced by both of them. I think it was totally cute that he did that. It touched my heart & I'm a Perry loon. I really hope he continues to do it. I just don't get why some cannot get over the fact that Perry is no longer w/Journey & he doesn't want to be w/Journey. He has an open invitation from Neal & Jeff to get on that stage any time he wants. Obviously, he doesn't want to. I have accepted it. I worship Perry & I listen to him every day. But I'm also a Journey fan. & if Perry doesn't want to be w/Journey anymore, I see no reason why the rest of Journey shouldn't go on & play the songs they made famous together.

2. They are claiming that Perry's voice is used in MOL. Where? Are they talking about the echo on "I" because it doesn't sound like it's Perry to me. I always thought I was really good at hearing Perry even in a chorus. What do the rest of u think? Here's my MOL video for reference: http://youtube.com/watch?v=k6sCx0Eeiqg


JSS is absolutely brilliant in that video………..thanx for posting!
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Postby Andrew » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:40 am

Jabberwocky wrote:The Perry part is the intro before the first verse (i.e. the backwards bit.) Your vid starts after that.


That is what I heard at Soundcheck. Just the original backing track intro until the guitar kicks in the band take over.
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Postby tammy » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:44 am

I seem to recall JSS saying something about having watched/listened so much to Journey & obviously SP that it just came naturally to put in the parts that were ingrained into his memory. Like the do-do-do along with Neal's guitar in "I'll be alright without you." At least, that is what I thought myself.
And, even 'tho I'm a major Perry fan too & post on a SP forum doesn't mean I agree with everything they say, just as I don't on BT or MR. I thought JSS in those videos was pretty amazing & at first I thought I was hearing SP singing MOL! I know SP will never be with Journey again & I accept that, but my fave part of the Journey was with SP & always will be.
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Postby EightyRock » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:00 am

Hmm...not sure why they have to use that and not do it themselves w/ JSS singing. I assume you're talking about the "ahhhhhhhhh's" at the beginning and the spoken words, "wicked prophets kill, speaking his name"?? I saw where JSS was asked and he confirmed that they use the Perry voiced intro. Kinda odd, I think. I understand that Perry did not want to be on the Faithfully video at the concert but couldn't stop them from using his voice on the intro to that song. If they are so hell bent on moving on, why don't they prove that and quit using Perry's voice as a crutch? This kinda thing ain't showing anybody that they are doing more than they did with Augeri...EXCEPT JSS is live, not canned, and of course, he's a better vocalist. I guess I'm just tired of them riding almost exclusively on past accomplishments. There's alot of hype with them, but the real substance to back the hype has yet to appear...and they've been hyping for YEARS. Can be frustrating as a fan to see them rely year after year on their 'Perry safety net". I still got the impression from something JSS said that the likelihood of their in-concert song list reflecting any major percentage of new stuff in the future is less than slim. They are too afraid of not having a ticket buying audience, other than a few diehards.
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Postby Lula » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:06 am

EightyRock wrote:Hmm...not sure why they have to use that and not do it themselves w/ JSS singing. I assume you're talking about the "ahhhhhhhhh's" at the beginning and the spoken words, "wicked prophets kill, speaking his name"?? I saw where JSS was asked and he confirmed that they use the Perry voiced intro. Kinda odd, I think. I understand that Perry did not want to be on the Faithfully video at the concert but couldn't stop them from using his voice on the intro to that song. If they are so hell bent on moving on, why don't they prove that and quit using Perry's voice as a crutch? This kinda thing ain't showing anybody that they are doing more than they did with Augeri...EXCEPT JSS is live, not canned, and of course, he's a better vocalist. I guess I'm just tired of them riding almost exclusively on past accomplishments. There's alot of hype with them, but the real substance to back the hype has yet to appear...and they've been hyping for YEARS. Can be frustrating as a fan to see them rely year after year on their 'Perry safety net". I still got the impression from something JSS said that the likelihood of their in-concert song list reflecting any major percentage of new stuff in the future is less than slim. They are too afraid of not having a ticket buying audience, other than a few diehards.


I'm confused here. The song being discussed is Message of Love, not One More. What is this about the Faithfully video and Perry? And, last question- when/what comment by Jeff leads you to believe new songs performed during future shows are slim?
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:10 am

EightyRock wrote:Hmm...not sure why they have to use that and not do it themselves w/ JSS singing. I assume you're talking about the "ahhhhhhhhh's" at the beginning and the spoken words, "wicked prophets kill, speaking his name"?? I saw where JSS was asked and he confirmed that they use the Perry voiced intro. Kinda odd, I think. I understand that Perry did not want to be on the Faithfully video at the concert but couldn't stop them from using his voice on the intro to that song. If they are so hell bent on moving on, why don't they prove that and quit using Perry's voice as a crutch? This kinda thing ain't showing anybody that they are doing more than they did with Augeri...EXCEPT JSS is live, not canned, and of course, he's a better vocalist. I guess I'm just tired of them riding almost exclusively on past accomplishments. There's alot of hype with them, but the real substance to back the hype has yet to appear...and they've been hyping for YEARS. Can be frustrating as a fan to see them rely year after year on their 'Perry safety net". I still got the impression from something JSS said that the likelihood of their in-concert song list reflecting any major percentage of new stuff in the future is less than slim. They are too afraid of not having a ticket buying audience, other than a few diehards.


EightyRock, you're confused about the song in question, but the sentiment of your post is the same no matter what the song is. I agree that they need to stop relying on the Perry years to maintain them. If they're going to be viable they need to do some new stuff that will be recognized and accepted. I don't know where Jeff ever said there wouldn't be new songs performed in shows though. It must be an interview that I haven't read.

I can understand why Steve didn't want to be in any way involved with the promotion of the band after he was no longer with them and, therefore, didn't want to be in the Faithfully video they showed at the concerts. I'm glad he didn't acknowledge them during the Augeri years considering how it turned out.

Maybe Steve doesn't mind them using his vocals on the intro to MOL with JSS at the front. It would be like icing on the cake if he were to approve of JSS fronting the band. There's a lot more chance of that with Jeff than there was with Augeri.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:13 am

ohsherrie wrote: There's a lot more chance of that with Jeff than there was with Augeri.


Yes, that's right :D
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:16 am

Andrew wrote:
ohsherrie wrote: There's a lot more chance of that with Jeff than there was with Augeri.


Yes, that's right :D


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Postby EightyRock » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:37 pm

You both (Lula and Sherrie) are correct. I was thinking One More, Not MOL. :shock: Other than the song confusion on my part, the rest of the sentiment in my post stands. I saw a post on another website where the person had asked JSS those questions and those were his answers. I wasn't really surprised to know that they basically fear losing the audience when they stray more than a song or two from the dirty dozen They may come out with a new CD, but material at live shows is not going to change, unfortunately. I'll be the first to say how wrong I am in 2007, if they do otherwise.
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Postby EightyRock » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:48 pm

Sherrie said: "It would be like icing on the cake if he were to approve of JSS fronting the band. There's a lot more chance of that with Jeff than there was with Augeri."


Ya think you'll live to see that, eh? :lol: :lol: He didn't willingly hand over those Harley keys, so he ain't gonna smile and wave as they ride off into the sunset with what he perceives as a stolen vehicle. :lol:
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Re: The MOL & IBAWY videos I took...

Postby Tom Jrnyfn » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:59 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
AR wrote:I think they just can't get over the fact that Deen is equally as good as Perry.



You lost me there, AR. Deen is good...Even REALLY good! I was shocked at how great Deen sounded the first time I heard the guy sing. I think he's good enough to front a band (assuming he has the stamina to pull it off for more than just a couple of songs). That said, Deen isn't Perry, and I think he'd be the first one to tell you that!


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I agree, Deen is very good, but Perry was sick..Straight up freak. No man should be able to sing like that..
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:14 pm

It is the Trial By Fire CD they use to open the song.......I guess that would in fact Perry.
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Re: The MOL & IBAWY videos I took...

Postby cyndy! » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:14 pm

Tom Jrnyfn wrote:
I agree, Deen is very good, but Perry was sick..Straight up freak. No man should be able to sing like that..


i like that description! :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:17 pm

By the way, I too agree Perry was filthy (it's a good thing), and AR, you forget, Perry was in fact a drummer. I bet you my right ass cheek he could drum Mother Father and sing it too.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:31 pm

Rockin'Deano wrote:By the way, I too agree Perry was filthy (it's a good thing), and AR, you forget, Perry was in fact a drummer. I bet you my right ass cheek he could drum Mother Father and sing it too.


Yep. He often provided musical direction for Moyes when he (Steve) wanted a certain sound or style on FTLOSM.
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Re: The MOL & IBAWY videos I took...

Postby donnaplease » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:35 pm

cyndy wrote:
Tom Jrnyfn wrote:
I agree, Deen is very good, but Perry was sick..Straight up freak. No man should be able to sing like that..


i like that description! :lol:


True dat. 8)
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:08 pm

EightyRock wrote:Sherrie said: "It would be like icing on the cake if he were to approve of JSS fronting the band. There's a lot more chance of that with Jeff than there was with Augeri."


Ya think you'll live to see that, eh? :lol: :lol: He didn't willingly hand over those Harley keys, so he ain't gonna smile and wave as they ride off into the sunset with what he perceives as a stolen vehicle. :lol:



You've got a point there, and good analogy. :lol: But maybe now that it's been stolen and ridden through the dirt track circuit he doesn't want it any more, but wouldn't mind having a new rider clean it up and put it on the highway again. :wink:
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:20 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
EightyRock wrote:Sherrie said: "It would be like icing on the cake if he were to approve of JSS fronting the band. There's a lot more chance of that with Jeff than there was with Augeri."


Ya think you'll live to see that, eh? :lol: :lol: He didn't willingly hand over those Harley keys, so he ain't gonna smile and wave as they ride off into the sunset with what he perceives as a stolen vehicle. :lol:



You've got a point there, and good analogy. :lol: But maybe now that it's been stolen and ridden through the dirt track circuit he doesn't want it any more, but wouldn't mind having a new rider clean it up and put it on the highway again. :wink:


I'm hoping that would be the case. Certainly he has an interest in what's happening with the band, even though he's not their lead singer anymore. If for no other reason, than for the $$$ that he continues to make every time they set foot on a stage. I don't happen to believe that is the only thing though...because every time they step foot on the stage, they continue to be compared to their 'ride' with him, and he has a big ego (he's earned it). And obviously he still feels pride in the work they did together, otherwise he wouldn't have worked on the reissues.

Wounded ego aside, I think he's a big enough man to see things for what they are...and that is a much better Journey with JSS aboard than with Augeri. JMO. :wink:
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Postby Jeremey » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:42 am

That Perry vocal in the beginning of Message of Love is more of a sound effect than a vocal line. It's not like they're using a ghost vocal of Perry on a backup melody or something. Besides, it's not integral to the song itself, the song could easily be started with the snare/kick lead in, or even come out of another number right into MOL. As for Jeff singing the "Cupid" line - It's a throwaway line at the end of the song. He's not doing the Perry breakdown like on the FTLOSM tour, it's a simple throwback/acknowledgement to Perry at the end of the tune. Seems like a bit of nitpicking on both issues to me.
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