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fredinator wrote:Yes, Propanolol is for high blood pressure (Inderal) but is used for stage fright and has been found just recently that it dramatically reduces anxiety in post traumatic stress disorder and anxiety disorder... The military is looking into using it for soldiers who are suffering from PTSD.
Badcotune wrote:
Rodgers has sold 125 million albums, still actively tours, still actively sings, and actually sounds better than he did in his youth, and has fronted multiple hit making bands. If that's not fufilling your destiny as a successful singer, what is?
In contrast, the only thing Perry actively does these days/years/decades is pontificates.
Shania wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:I've never met ANY singer that included drinking coffee as part of their warming up regiment.
Did that strike anyone as odd (Jeremy? Nora?)
I do know singers that drink coffee to "open up" their vocal chords.I know one of them who drinks a few mugs of coffee right before the show,says it warms up his voice.
But coffee doesn't work the same on all the singers.Actually,medically speaking,cafeine dehydrates the vocal chords and makes the voice raspy.
I know singers who avoid coffee on concerts days for this very reason.
However,the BEST beverage for singers is water.Plain and plenty.
Badcotune wrote:Matthew wrote:Badcotune wrote:...sure there was a flicker of activity from 94 to 96, but let's be frank -- after the ROR tour -- for reasons we may never know, and isn't our business to know -- he checked out. It all became too difficult -- too emotional -- to do the thing he struggled for so long to be able to make a living at. His dream job fulfilled and perfectly realized became all too much.
He could sing at half speed and still inject his unique cadence and texture into song, and have an audience well into twilight like Sinatra did, and he'd be surrounded by loving fans for the duration. Instead, he's content to sip tea and pontificate on, and continually polish up old treasures. And good for him -- but I don't have to get excited about it. Perry hasn't just let some very productive years get away from him -- he's let DECADES. My respect for him has dwindled proportionately.
Paul Rodgers in contrast, is in top form, and is demonstrating what being a 57 year old power-singer is cabable of -- and that new performance plateaus can still be attained even at that age if but first there is effort and a desire. My respect for him grows daily.
(P.s. please let's not turn this into a Paul vs. Steve thread. They are apples and oranges. The point of the comparison is clearly defined -- effort and desire = results)
~Badcotune
Paul Rogers has wasted decades too. Rogers had so much potential and it was never fulfilled. Whereas Perry has most definitely fulfilled his...
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. Rodgers has sold 125 million albums, still actively tours, still actively sings, and actually sounds better than he did in his youth, and has fronted multiple hit making bands. If that's not fufilling your destiny as a successful singer, what is?
In contrast, the only thing Perry actively does these days/years/decades is pontificates.
Matthew wrote:So it could be argued that Perry's 'golden years' actually lasted longer than the equivalent period for Rodgers.
But yes - Rodgers is still out there performing at a high level and Perry isn't. However, I'm not sure I'd want to see Perry fronting another band who are long past their best...like Boston or Foreigner....or singing hits made famous by a contemporary of his.
You're right to say though that Perry ran into 'emotional' difficulties about recording and touring - even about his own gifts - in a way that Rodgers clearly has not. And if you respect Steady Eddie-type professionals more than troubled geniuses then I can see that Perry can be compared unfavourably to Rodgers.
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Inderal can also cause impotence
So does beer !!!
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Matthew wrote:Badcotune wrote:Matthew wrote:Badcotune wrote:...sure there was a flicker of activity from 94 to 96, but let's be frank -- after the ROR tour -- for reasons we may never know, and isn't our business to know -- he checked out. It all became too difficult -- too emotional -- to do the thing he struggled for so long to be able to make a living at. His dream job fulfilled and perfectly realized became all too much.
He could sing at half speed and still inject his unique cadence and texture into song, and have an audience well into twilight like Sinatra did, and he'd be surrounded by loving fans for the duration. Instead, he's content to sip tea and pontificate on, and continually polish up old treasures. And good for him -- but I don't have to get excited about it. Perry hasn't just let some very productive years get away from him -- he's let DECADES. My respect for him has dwindled proportionately.
Paul Rodgers in contrast, is in top form, and is demonstrating what being a 57 year old power-singer is cabable of -- and that new performance plateaus can still be attained even at that age if but first there is effort and a desire. My respect for him grows daily.
(P.s. please let's not turn this into a Paul vs. Steve thread. They are apples and oranges. The point of the comparison is clearly defined -- effort and desire = results)
~Badcotune
Paul Rogers has wasted decades too. Rogers had so much potential and it was never fulfilled. Whereas Perry has most definitely fulfilled his...
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. Rodgers has sold 125 million albums, still actively tours, still actively sings, and actually sounds better than he did in his youth, and has fronted multiple hit making bands. If that's not fufilling your destiny as a successful singer, what is?
In contrast, the only thing Perry actively does these days/years/decades is pontificates.
But yes - Rodgers is still out there performing at a high level and Perry isn't. However, I'm not sure I'd want to see Perry fronting another band who are long past their best...like Boston or Foreigner....or singing hits made famous by a contemporary of his.
You're right to say though that Perry ran into 'emotional' difficulties about recording and touring - even about his own gifts - in a way that Rodgers clearly has not. And if you respect Steady Eddie-type professionals more than troubled geniuses then I can see that Perry can be compared unfavourably to Rodgers.
But equally I reckon Perry was a much more 'emotional' singer than Rodgers - and that many of the characteristcs of Perry's which might frustrate us and make us lose respect for him - the self-condemnation, perfectionism, the tendency to withdraw and isolate, and so on - were the very same characteristics which helped to make him such a phenomenal singer in the first place. I honestly think that if Perry had had a well-adjusted and uncomplicated personality Journey would have been half the band they were - so I guess we have to take the rough with the smooth.
Matthew wrote:But equally I reckon Perry was a much more 'emotional' singer than Rodgers - and that many of the characteristcs of Perry's which might frustrate us and make us lose respect for him - the self-condemnation, perfectionism, the tendency to withdraw and isolate, and so on - were the very same characteristics which helped to make him such a phenomenal singer in the first place. I honestly think that if Perry had had a well-adjusted and uncomplicated personality Journey would have been half the band they were - so I guess we have to take the rough with the smooth.
Badcotune wrote:
You make some good points, but it's not so much that Rodgers is a "stready-eddie" -- if he didn't have that powerful voice it wouldn't matter if he released an album yearly. I have to take exception to the comment about Rodgers only fronting a band past it's prime, though. Since 2000 he's toured repeatedly with Bad Co., his solo Band, with Queen, and Solo again this past summer. Speaking first hand, I caught him at a summer show in Palm Springs and was floored by the soul and emotion in his voice. He's very similar to Perry in that regard, the way he can sell a lyric with honest emotion, and he sounds better today then he did on those old Bad Co. recordings -- which is astonishing to me. I can't think of another artist or athlete in any profession whose operates at this level in thier late 50's. It's surely an exception -- could Perry outperform his younger self -- probably not, but that's not the point -- the point is that he does not seem embolden to even try. The only other singer I've heard live that has comperable projection and emotion to present day Rodgers and older Perry is Celine Dion in Vegas -- doesn't matter if her music if your cup of tea -- the perfomance and vocal stylings are amazing. Will she sound as good at 57?
I agree that Perry's self torture is probably both a blessing and a curse for him musically, but he was only active in journey for 10 years. The rest has been reflecting on it, and I think as an artist he has more to offer his own legacy. Do I feel owed that? No. Would I like to see it? Certainly. But indifference is creeeeeeeepin' in.
P.s. If you haven't seen it, or know about it -- check out the 2002-2003 Bad Co. LIVE dvd shot in Anaheim Ca. NEAL SCHON and SLASH guest on it, and it's an amazing performance. Highest possible recommendation. Seagull is a particular highlight.
Badcotune wrote:Matthew wrote:Badcotune wrote:Matthew wrote:Badcotune wrote:...sure there was a flicker of activity from 94 to 96, but let's be frank -- after the ROR tour -- for reasons we may never know, and isn't our business to know -- he checked out. It all became too difficult -- too emotional -- to do the thing he struggled for so long to be able to make a living at. His dream job fulfilled and perfectly realized became all too much.
He could sing at half speed and still inject his unique cadence and texture into song, and have an audience well into twilight like Sinatra did, and he'd be surrounded by loving fans for the duration. Instead, he's content to sip tea and pontificate on, and continually polish up old treasures. And good for him -- but I don't have to get excited about it. Perry hasn't just let some very productive years get away from him -- he's let DECADES. My respect for him has dwindled proportionately.
Paul Rodgers in contrast, is in top form, and is demonstrating what being a 57 year old power-singer is cabable of -- and that new performance plateaus can still be attained even at that age if but first there is effort and a desire. My respect for him grows daily.
(P.s. please let's not turn this into a Paul vs. Steve thread. They are apples and oranges. The point of the comparison is clearly defined -- effort and desire = results)
~Badcotune
Paul Rogers has wasted decades too. Rogers had so much potential and it was never fulfilled. Whereas Perry has most definitely fulfilled his...
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. Rodgers has sold 125 million albums, still actively tours, still actively sings, and actually sounds better than he did in his youth, and has fronted multiple hit making bands. If that's not fufilling your destiny as a successful singer, what is?
In contrast, the only thing Perry actively does these days/years/decades is pontificates.
But yes - Rodgers is still out there performing at a high level and Perry isn't. However, I'm not sure I'd want to see Perry fronting another band who are long past their best...like Boston or Foreigner....or singing hits made famous by a contemporary of his.
You're right to say though that Perry ran into 'emotional' difficulties about recording and touring - even about his own gifts - in a way that Rodgers clearly has not. And if you respect Steady Eddie-type professionals more than troubled geniuses then I can see that Perry can be compared unfavourably to Rodgers.
But equally I reckon Perry was a much more 'emotional' singer than Rodgers - and that many of the characteristcs of Perry's which might frustrate us and make us lose respect for him - the self-condemnation, perfectionism, the tendency to withdraw and isolate, and so on - were the very same characteristics which helped to make him such a phenomenal singer in the first place. I honestly think that if Perry had had a well-adjusted and uncomplicated personality Journey would have been half the band they were - so I guess we have to take the rough with the smooth.
You make some good points, but it's not so much that Rodgers is a "stready-eddie" -- if he didn't have that powerful voice it wouldn't matter if he released an album yearly. I have to take exception to the comment about Rodgers only fronting a band past it's prime, though. Since 2000 he's toured repeatedly with Bad Co., his solo Band, with Queen, and Solo again this past summer. Speaking first hand, I caught him at a summer show in Palm Springs and was floored by the soul and emotion in his voice. He's very similar to Perry in that regard, the way he can sell a lyric with honest emotion, and he sounds better today then he did on those old Bad Co. recordings -- which is astonishing to me. I can't think of another artist or athlete in any profession whose operates at this level in thier late 50's. It's surely an exception -- could Perry outperform his younger self -- probably not, but that's not the point -- the point is that he does not seem embolden to even try. The only other singer I've heard live that has comperable projection and emotion to present day Rodgers and older Perry is Celine Dion in Vegas -- doesn't matter if her music if your cup of tea -- the perfomance and vocal stylings are amazing. Will she sound as good at 57?
I agree that Perry's self torture is probably both a blessing and a curse for him musically, but he was only active in journey for 10 years. The rest has been reflecting on it, and I think as an artist he has more to offer his own legacy. Do I feel owed that? No. Would I like to see it? Certainly. But indifference is creeeeeeeepin' in.
P.s. If you haven't seen it, or know about it -- check out the 2002-2003 Bad Co. LIVE dvd shot in Anaheim Ca. NEAL SCHON and SLASH guest on it, and it's an amazing performance. Highest possible recommendation. Seagull is a particular highlight.
Badcotune wrote:You make some good points, but it's not so much that Rodgers is a "stready-eddie" -- if he didn't have that powerful voice it wouldn't matter if he released an album yearly.
I have to take exception to the comment about Rodgers only fronting a band past it's prime, though. Since 2000 he's toured repeatedly with Bad Co., his solo Band, with Queen, and Solo again this past summer.
I can't think of another artist or athlete in any profession whose operates at this level in thier late 50's.
It's surely an exception -- could Perry outperform his younger self -- probably not, but that's not the point -- the point is that he does not seem embolden to even try.
I agree that Perry's self torture is probably both a blessing and a curse for him musically, but he was only active in journey for 10 years. The rest has been reflecting on it, and I think as an artist he has more to offer his own legacy. Do I feel owed that? No. Would I like to see it? Certainly. But indifference is creeeeeeeepin' in.
P.s. If you haven't seen it, or know about it -- check out the 2002-2003 Bad Co. LIVE dvd shot in Anaheim Ca. NEAL SCHON and SLASH guest on it, and it's an amazing performance. Highest possible recommendation. Seagull is a particular highlight.
No I haven't seen that, Badcotune. As you can probably tell...my Rodgers collection stops in 1974...but I'll definitely check that out. It'll be great to see Rodgers and Schon together on stage....
strungout wrote:Matthew wrote:
But equally I reckon Perry was a much more 'emotional' singer than Rodgers - and that many of the characteristcs of Perry's which might frustrate us and make us lose respect for him - the self-condemnation, perfectionism, the tendency to withdraw and isolate, and so on - were the very same characteristics which helped to make him such a phenomenal singer in the first place. I honestly think that if Perry had had a well-adjusted and uncomplicated personality Journey would have been half the band they were - so I guess we have to take the rough with the smooth.
Wow, good point Matt.
Matthew wrote:It's strange...I was sure I'd be pissed off if Perry's Q+A didn't resolve anything. However when I read it I felt totally accepting about the situation. Maybe it's indifference creeping in...but I doubt it. There was something different about the tone of Perry's answers this time. He sounded genuinely contented to me....he didn't seem defensive or uptight...and was talking warmly about Schon...and so on.
I don't know...I just got a good feeling from the Q+A...and to be honest...if I was a multi-millionaire strolling along the beach each morning drinking my latte I might not want to return to a career that - for all its joys and triumphs - didn't make me happy in the end.
79) You seem to really admire Neal Schon and you guys are magic together. Would you consider working with him outside of Journey?
SP: Well he is and will always be a guitar genius and we were very good together that's for sure. There are many, many old relationships I would like to go back to but after they've run their course- sometimes only love is left...... without the desire to go back. Neal and I could be in that place.
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