Augeri out due to vocal illness, but launching new solo CD?

by **ohsherrie** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:05 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:I probably wouldn't buy his new CD because I'm just not that big a fan of his, but if he wants to do one and is able to I wish him luck with it.

I would've bought it until I heard "Butterfly" and "Believe".
Either Steve has suffered severe mental trauma since penning Tall Stories OR he wasn't the one responsible for its triumphant glory in the first place.

You've got a point there. I've never heard Tall Stories, but according to what some on here have said it must have been a pretty good CD.

by **SteveForever** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:07 am

Jeremey wrote:
steveforever wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Maybe Steve can sing, and maybe he can't - Who here knows? Has anyone heard Steve singing anytime in the past 8 months? So how can anyone say for sure? Recently it's been mentioned that he has his voice back and has been in the studio....But if he truly is recording a solo record, I am sure it will be on his own time, and he will want to make sure he sounds great to dispell all those naysayers out there. Besides, Steve doesn't owe anyone anything. Considering the circumstances surrounding his departure of the band, I wouldn't be surprised if he just needed some time to reconnect with life off the carousel.

I'd be curious to know what kind of PR he's going to spin and do to follow this whole drama? When is he actually going to address his fans? will it be in person or on line or what because if you read other places they are really really really upset!

I dunno. Uncle Joe Benson always seems to work for him. And at least on Fan Asylum Q&As they can screen his questions, so that might work as well. Regardless, I'd be surprised if we actually see this solo record come out next year.

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:35 am

ohsherrie wrote:You've got a point there. I've never heard Tall Stories, but according to what some on here have said it must have been a pretty good CD.

It's not a bad CD. Not great, but not bad either. Bought it a few years ago off of eBay.

by **maverick218** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:46 am

roknroseville wrote:Neal,
So now King Schon is happy? He wasn't too happy with soul sirkus ( He paid for everything he quoted )
Hve you ever notice Neal has more problems with the monitors than anyone else in the world?
I've been in the front row for 5 shows in the last 3 years & everytime he's shouting at the sound guy big time!
Generations was a crap album!! Augeris tunes were the only bright spot on that dark record.
I look forward to Steve Augeris solo cd & Tall Stories...

Actually, I believe that creatively, he was happy with SS, just wasn't happy with footing the bill when they didn't really get off the ground (would you be?)
If Neal is having problems with his monitors or other equipment at a show, how is that his fault?? I've seen the band six times since they reformed, and only noticed him having problems once. Seems to me that you are just grasping and trying to blame Neal for your frustration.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:55 am

zino wrote: What I am trying too say is we hear nothing for five months and then we hear Augeri is working on a solo project. The band or management never said a word about the health of Augeri from July until December. Just thought it would have been better for them to just not mention it at all. I know that lawerys are involved.

That's why I think it's all part of the "spin". Obviously the band was NOT allowed to comment on Augeri's health. Augeri himself didn't comment on it. To me, it's perfectly obvious the mention of the solo CD came from Augeri & it was required that it be included in his exit statement. Whether he is really doing one or not remains to be seen. I just suspect he didn't want to go down as the guy who lipped & lost his voice. So this is his way of assuring his fans he can sing. Not very convincing to me, but I'm not a fan so....

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:59 am

JeremyP wrote:Notice how I didn't mention whether I liked those songs, Susie.

There are about five songs that I don't skip when I listen to Generations...and neither of those are them.

I'm just commenting on a frustration that I've picked up on from Steve A. that his songs were (rightly or wrongly) given second billing as long as he was in Journey.

As to those particular songs....not a fan of them, but that wasn't my point.

And I can't picture you as my grandma!

I don't get it then. Those were the only 2 songs penned by Augeri during his tenure. He got some credits on other songs as he may have added a touch to them, but they were not his songs really.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:07 am

Jeremey wrote:
steveforever wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Maybe Steve can sing, and maybe he can't - Who here knows? Has anyone heard Steve singing anytime in the past 8 months? So how can anyone say for sure? Recently it's been mentioned that he has his voice back and has been in the studio....But if he truly is recording a solo record, I am sure it will be on his own time, and he will want to make sure he sounds great to dispell all those naysayers out there. Besides, Steve doesn't owe anyone anything. Considering the circumstances surrounding his departure of the band, I wouldn't be surprised if he just needed some time to reconnect with life off the carousel.

I'd be curious to know what kind of PR he's going to spin and do to follow this whole drama? When is he actually going to address his fans? will it be in person or on line or what because if you read other places they are really really really upset!

I dunno. Uncle Joe Benson always seems to work for him. And at least on Fan Asylum Q&As they can screen his questions, so that might work as well. Regardless, I'd be surprised if we actually see this solo record come out next year.

Jeremey I think ur getting ur Steves confused.

by **zino** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:18 am

JourneyRox wrote:
zino wrote: What I am trying too say is we hear nothing for five months and then we hear Augeri is working on a solo project. The band or management never said a word about the health of Augeri from July until December. Just thought it would have been better for them to just not mention it at all. I know that lawerys are involved.

That's why I think it's all part of the "spin". Obviously the band was NOT allowed to comment on Augeri's health. Augeri himself didn't comment on it. To me, it's perfectly obvious the mention of the solo CD came from Augeri & it was required that it be included in his exit statement. Whether he is really doing one or not remains to be seen. I just suspect he didn't want to go down as the guy who lipped & lost his voice. So this is his way of assuring his fans he can sing. Not very convincing to me, but I'm not a fan so....

Very well said ! You said that so much better than I. It did seem as that part of the statement was required too be in by Augeri. Thanks for helping me say what I ment too say !!

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:20 am

zino wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
zino wrote: What I am trying too say is we hear nothing for five months and then we hear Augeri is working on a solo project. The band or management never said a word about the health of Augeri from July until December. Just thought it would have been better for them to just not mention it at all. I know that lawerys are involved.

That's why I think it's all part of the "spin". Obviously the band was NOT allowed to comment on Augeri's health. Augeri himself didn't comment on it. To me, it's perfectly obvious the mention of the solo CD came from Augeri & it was required that it be included in his exit statement. Whether he is really doing one or not remains to be seen. I just suspect he didn't want to go down as the guy who lipped & lost his voice. So this is his way of assuring his fans he can sing. Not very convincing to me, but I'm not a fan so....

Very well said ! You said that so much better than I. It did seem as that part of the statement was required too be in by Augeri. Thanks for helping me say what I ment too say !!

Anytime Zino. I am enjoying ur praise of my posts :-)

Love ya dude!

by **Jeremey** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:25 am

JourneyRox wrote:Jeremey I think ur getting ur Steves confused.

Though if you re-read my original post, I think you'll find that I'm spot-on! The UJB was just to confuse the issue, but the "bit" was that I could have been talking about either guy named Steve.

by **SteveForever** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:25 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveforever wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Maybe Steve can sing, and maybe he can't - Who here knows? Has anyone heard Steve singing anytime in the past 8 months? So how can anyone say for sure? Recently it's been mentioned that he has his voice back and has been in the studio....But if he truly is recording a solo record, I am sure it will be on his own time, and he will want to make sure he sounds great to dispell all those naysayers out there. Besides, Steve doesn't owe anyone anything. Considering the circumstances surrounding his departure of the band, I wouldn't be surprised if he just needed some time to reconnect with life off the carousel.

I'd be curious to know what kind of PR he's going to spin and do to follow this whole drama? When is he actually going to address his fans? will it be in person or on line or what because if you read other places they are really really really upset!

I dunno. Uncle Joe Benson always seems to work for him. And at least on Fan Asylum Q&As they can screen his questions, so that might work as well. Regardless, I'd be surprised if we actually see this solo record come out next year.

Jeremey I think ur getting ur Steves confused.

I believe he's making the comparison here of how similar the situation is....funny boy isn't he?

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:29 am

Jeremey wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:Jeremey I think ur getting ur Steves confused.

Though if you re-read my original post, I think you'll find that I'm spot-on! The UJB was just to confuse the issue, but the "bit" was that I could have been talking about either guy named Steve.

U ass!

Merry Christmas baby. Where's my audio clip of Good Morning Girl? That's what I want for Christmas but Santa hasn't shown up w/that gift yet.

by **JeremyP** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:39 am

JourneyRox wrote:
I don't get it then. Those were the only 2 songs penned by Augeri during his tenure. He got some credits on other songs as he may have added a touch to them, but they were not his songs really.

I'm sure Journey doesn't have a Lennon/McCartney agreement where they put their names on songs no matter who wrote them.

I have to assume that if he got a co-writing credit on a song that his input was significant enough to alter that song and necesitate the co-writing credit for him.

A vague clue as to how much each person contributed is to look at the order in which their names are listed in the writing credits. I haven't looked at all the songs that Steve A's been involved with, but I know his name is first on "Live And Breathe" followed by Neal and Jon. Therefore I'm guessing that he must have been the originator of the song.

On "Beyond The Clouds" it's just Neal and him. I'm guessing Neal wrote the music and Augeri came up with the lyrics and vocal melody. That's just a guess though.

The fact that he's been talking about a solo album since 2001 and saying things like this: (quote from Andrew's Generations interview)

it went from several songs of mine that were being considered, to you know…the usual…

and

Just so you know, the fact of the matter is – whether anybody cares to listen to it or not – when we get off the road I am planning to get some of those songs together and putting together a record and releasing a solo record.

He sounds frustrated to me.

by **Jeremey fan forever** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:45 am

Chevypv wrote:
JeremyP wrote:I get the feeling that he felt a little creatively stifled in Journey. It'll be interesting to see how his music stands on it's own. I hope it rocks.

hehe...haha....HAHA.......sorry, the concept of Augeri creatively stifled is hilarious, especially since the only 2 songes he penned on his own are two of the worst Journey songs ever....butterfly...*shudder*...

In Journey he probably felt he had to be something other than himself which he couldn't. He wrote great stuff in Tall Stories. I think he just can't write in the mode Journey wanted, and he probably isn't strong enough against some of the strong personalities and talent in Journey. I'll bet he felt intimidated too much to just relax and be one of the band and fight for his own musical ideas.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:52 am

I'm sure Journey doesn't have a Lennon/McCartney agreement where they put their names on songs no matter who wrote them.

I've heard the precise opposite - especially when it concerns Perry's name almost always being at the forefront of every track.
I have also heard the same thing about Neal on ROR. That Neal's guitar parts were actually ghost written.

Before professional hand wringers like Red 13 pipe in, let me just say I DO NOT KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN.
Its only what some asshole told me.

I haven't looked at all the songs that Steve A's been involved with, but I know his name is first on "Live And Breathe" followed by Neal and Jon. Therefore I'm guessing that he must have been the originator of the song.

Yup, and the song sucks. It reminds me of "Butterfly" is some respects. No strong chorus and meandering .

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:53 am

rap_still_sucks wrote:In Journey he probably felt he had to be something other than himself which he couldn't. He wrote great stuff in Tall Stories. I think he just can't write in the mode Journey wanted, and he probably isn't strong enough against some of the strong personalities and talent in Journey. I'll bet he felt intimidated too much to just relax and be one of the band and fight for his own musical ideas.

I think you may be right. If anyone might not have felt like he was "part of the band," it was probably Augeri, but no one forced him to accept the role of lead singer either. He obviously wanted it badly. I never thought he was the greatest fit from the beginning and stated that on numerous occasions way back when. He wasn't bad, but not the greatest fit. I always thought that the new singer should have had a much harder edge to his voice than Augeri did.

Things in Journey will likely be a lot different with JSS since he has a pre-existing working relationship/friendship with Neal. Those two guys have worked together before and created some great music in SS. IF this can be extended to Journey, with the inclusion of Cain sharing songwriting abilities, then their next CD just might be something that gets notice...unless of course they wind up NOT supporting it in concert.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:56 am

JeremyP wrote:The fact that he's been talking about a solo album since 2001 and saying things like this: (quote from Andrew's Generations interview)

it went from several songs of mine that were being considered, to you know…the usual…

and

Just so you know, the fact of the matter is – whether anybody cares to listen to it or not – when we get off the road I am planning to get some of those songs together and putting together a record and releasing a solo record.

He sounds frustrated to me.

Good Lord Jeremy are u suggesting Augeri ACTUALLY has an ego (something so vehemently denied by his fans)?

by **JeremyP** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:07 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Good Lord Jeremy are u suggesting Augeri ACTUALLY has an ego (something so vehemently denied by his fans)?

I'd hope so. I'd like to think that those of us who are his fans are listening to a normal human being.

by **ohsherrie** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:19 am

Jeremey wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:Jeremey I think ur getting ur Steves confused.

Though if you re-read my original post, I think you'll find that I'm spot-on! The UJB was just to confuse the issue, but the "bit" was that I could have been talking about either guy named Steve.

'Swhat I thought when I read it. More of your dry, ironic humor. :wink:

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:20 am

JeremyP wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
Good Lord Jeremy are u suggesting Augeri ACTUALLY has an ego (something so vehemently denied by his fans)?

I'd hope so. I'd like to think that those of us who are his fans are listening to a normal human being.

Oh no. He's a GOD, he is humble, wonderful, kindest man alive. What are u thinking?

That's it, ur getting ousted from the fan club :-)

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:31 am

JourneyRox wrote:Oh no. He's a GOD, he is humble, wonderful, kindest man alive. What are u thinking?

That's it, ur getting ousted from the fan club

by **JeremyP** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:37 am

JourneyRox wrote:
Oh no. He's a GOD, he is humble, wonderful, kindest man alive. What are u thinking?

That's it, ur getting ousted from the fan club

Aw shucks!

by **Jason 980** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:01 am

I knew there was a problem when they came out with the Generations cd, and Neal said that they wanted to have more than one lead singer. Augeri was awesome on Arrival, it is too bad he wasn't allowed to be the lead singer on Generations.

by **roknroseville** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:03 pm

who cares...
do you take shots at everything?
i make a comment about jrny playing the superbowl & your whining about over owrking them etc..
it's just a thought... don't have a breakdown about it.....
Steve Augeri stepped into some huge shoes to fill & did his thing...
whether you liked him or not He deserves alot of credit!
journey on the morning show? i don't remember that --- maybe... maybe not....

by **JeremyP** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:41 pm

I'm gonna youtube the Journey CBS Early Show thing as soon as I find the VHS that it's on.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:23 am

JeremyP wrote:I'm gonna youtube the Journey CBS Early Show thing as soon as I find the VHS that it's on.

Jeremy, please do this. I've never seen it. A lot of people haven't. I will bug u until u do it! :-)

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:36 am

JourneyRox wrote:
JeremyP wrote:I'm gonna youtube the Journey CBS Early Show thing as soon as I find the VHS that it's on.

Jeremy, please do this. I've never seen it. A lot of people haven't. I will bug u until u do it!

I have never seen it either. Hope you find it.

by AR » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:38 am

NealIsGod wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:
JeremyP wrote:I'm gonna youtube the Journey CBS Early Show thing as soon as I find the VHS that it's on.

Jeremy, please do this. I've never seen it. A lot of people haven't. I will bug u until u do it!

I have never seen it either. Hope you find it.

And me to the list of those who have never seen it.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:50 am

Wow. I'm surprised at who hasn't seen it. I thought u guys had everything.

The heat is on, Jeremy :-)

by **JeremyP** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:35 am

I'm looking for it, and I WILL find it. Not to worry.

MR

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