Journey CBS Early Show performance 2001

[pdsidd]

Still nothing presented to alter my point of view, as Augeri sang

Hold onto your faith and dreams
Look into yourself and believe ....

What did the guy in the film say?

Show me the money, well show me the evidence...

Hey pdsidd

Are you going to any of the UK shows? I'm planning on the the first four minus Glasgow. I was at the Edinburgh pre-party, were you? It'll be interesting if there is any evidence other than that taken by someone's $200 camcorder.[/quote]

In the little pub next door (was it called the Stagelight or something theatre related?) - I was in there for a while but got hacked off after standing at the bar for half an hour and not getting served! Bet we drank them dry, that night!

I'm only doing Nottingham, have got ten tickets for family and friends and it's kind of wiped out any possibility of any of the other dates. Still, I only saw the Edinburgh show last year and that was brilliant. Have a worry that after the glowing reviews I gave to Augeri from last years show my mates are going to be less than impressed with JSS but hey ho we'll see.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because I stood a few feet from him at Edinburgh and if he was cheating then he should f**k singing and play big money poker because he must be as convincing as hell and he could buy microsoft out if he could con that many people that night.

I wasn't in the front row at any of the 2005 shows, but if I were, I would've spotted the lipsynching in a second.
Augeri's on-stage behavior in 2005 is totally incongruous with his former on-stage self and to the very elemental basics of singing.

I'm sure all the nay-sayers are confident in their convictions so give me the video that proves your point.

Go find it yourself.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple.

Another unwiting dupe of "the Steve Augeri Myth".
You obviously have an inflated representation of the man in your mind.
You clearly don't know his range or his on-stage persona.
I'd wager you've never seen him live.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I was also at the Edinburgh and Manchester shows again right up front. I heard SA and I also heard his voice crack on occasion, but I still loved every minute of it. Now the big question, do I think he was lip synching? Absolutely not.

Then you are a fool. No two ways around it.
Here is "Faithfully" from Manchester where Augeri's lip sync tape jams at 1:06 and he flounders to sing even the simplest of notes. Deen eventually pulls double duty and sings the end for him.

http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3

The bootlegs of Manchester and Edinburg are rife with moments like these where you distinctly hear SA's feed stop and his croacky real voice begin.

Were there occasions when his vocals might have been enhanced due to a bad night. Yes, I do believe that now and people can pick and choose which songs they want to rip apart and they have certainly done that on this board. I think the band was prepared to support his vocals if needed as many other bands do today.

Not in 2005. In 2005, EVERY SINGLE song involved tapes except for the LTS encore.

BTW I believe it is common practice for all the videos shown on VH1 to get re-mixed or whatever the termonology is before they are broadcast, but I still love that Faith in the Heartland video as well as Schon's SSB.

It's not even a matter of that. The FITH track used in the VH1 video is the same isolated vocal track used in every show in 2005.
His real voice is even turned on at the same section of the song (4:34 in the video).
The video cuts out before he can sing the low-range ending.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thanks Jeremy I'll give it a shot, but it's going to take a lot to convince me since I felt this show wasn't nearly as great as Manchester or Edinburgh.

LOL.
You heard the same vocal performance THREE times in a row, you dumb deaf blind bastard.

[The_Noble_Cause]

that's not true man... Journey forced him to lipped, lied and later Journey fired the employee Augeri.

As a full equal partner of the band, Neal Schon needed Mngt. to step in and toss Augeri off the tour bus.
If it was as simple as Neal handing him a pink slip, Steve would've been gone by 2003 (if not earlier).

"I'm sick of wasting time with u,
I dont understand how I let u in-in the 1st place
I feel i've been here once before
I shoulda remembered losing my way, no way"

[pdsidd]

To the yahoo that tries to make points but hasn't a clue to what is going on....

"(look the guy behind Deen, the possible tape operator)",.....

---- Um, are you fucking serious? That is Jim Handly, Deen's Drum technician. Kevin Elson is the guy who worked the magic.

I am telling you all right now. If you are this desperate, to NOW come over here, after pretty boy is officially fired, and try to now argue tapegate, forget it already. We already exhausted this shit every way til Sunday. Believe what you want to believe. Hold on to the memories of fag boy, cause that's all you got now, losers. Defend a fraud. that's something to be proud of. Gotta love the Augeri supporters....defending a guy with NO morality at al.

Well if you're exhausted why not politely back off and save your energy. If it was so easy to convince that it was a tape why do people still not accept it. Where's the close up vid that proves beyond doubt that a tape was used? Simple fact is that if Augeri was using a tape it's certainly not the 2001 arrival tape because it's not that good so that argument gets blown out of the water early on. He supposedly start using a big mic in 2005 but it's the same as the one in 2001 so that's not a solid argument. Can see that in the Faithfully.mp3 that someone's posted that's supposed to be from Manchester that his voice goes after about a minute and a half but it was that brilliant leading upto that point if it was tape it wasn't that good a tape. And let's face it the guy was losing his voice and was fourteen/fifteen songs in at this point after doing Edinburgh, Monsters of rock in the space of four days - it seems to me the possibility exists that maybe he had problems with his voice that hit a wall at that point - he does try to carry on and yes Deen steps in - that's a band sticking together or maybe his mike failed at 1:06 or whatever.

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell but am not the only one in the world who doesn't agree with the character assassination of Augeri -
see http://www.getreadytorock.com/reviews/journey_gig2.htm

[donnaplease]

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell but am not the only one in the world who doesn't agree with the character assassination of Augeri -
see http://www.getreadytorock.com/reviews/journey_gig2.htm

Well, P. Siddy...

#1) That review was obviously written by a "Wiggler", and
#2) If you want to take on Deano, you better watch out, cause you're out of your league!! RIP.

[pdsidd]

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell but am not the only one in the world who doesn't agree with the character assassination of Augeri -
see http://www.getreadytorock.com/reviews/journey_gig2.htm

Well, P. Siddy...

#1) That review was obviously written by a "Wiggler", and
#2) If you want to take on Deano, you better watch out, cause you're out of your league!! RIP.

#1. Written by a bloke called Ian Harvey who probably isn't normally called a 'wiggler' but am sure you're right. Folks on here seem to know all the facts so you'll probably know him personally.

#2. Not taking him on just saying if he's exhausted by it all then he don't need to get involved. If someone can just post up a video that PROVES beyond reasonable doubt the tapegate thing then let's see it.

How hard can it be?

[donnaplease]

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell but am not the only one in the world who doesn't agree with the character assassination of Augeri -
see http://www.getreadytorock.com/reviews/journey_gig2.htm

Well, P. Siddy...

#1) That review was obviously written by a "Wiggler", and
#2) If you want to take on Deano, you better watch out, cause you're out of your league!! RIP.

#1. Written by a bloke called Ian Harvey who probably isn't normally called a 'wiggler' but am sure you're right. Folks on here seem to know all the facts so you'll probably know him personally.

#2. Not taking him on just saying if he's exhausted by it all then he don't need to get involved. If someone can just post up a video that PROVES beyond reasonable doubt the tapegate thing then let's see it.

How hard can it be?

Well, I for one don't know any 'facts', but I can read between the lines on that one. And regarding Deano, how can he not get involved?? He is responsible for exposing the whole incident, leading to the current change in circumstances of the band. Mr. Augeri is still yet to make any type of announcement (on any subject). How hard can that be? I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you, but I'm starting to get a little irritated by the whole thing.

[Rockindeano]

Well if you're exhausted why not politely back off and save your energy.

By using the word, "exhausted" I was trying to tell explain that we have run through the entire episode (s) more than once. I am not doing it again. Some others can do it, but I'm done trying to explain this to you.

He wasn't lipping Arrival 2001. he sang that night live. I was there, and IMO, he sounded damned good. However, when that DVD went to stores, his vocals were replaced by studio vocals.

Last time-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour.
3) I started catching on about two months later
4) I was convinced of what is now fact, once the 30th tour ended. I told a few here that if they pull this shit again for next years' tour, it is getting ugly...it sure did.
5) Yep, they lipped again. neal however, was worried and knew about the internet. It was only a matter of time,, and Neal knew it.
6) BT vs MR was in full force. Of course MR won and MR was correct the entire time.
7) Jeff Scott Soto rides in and saves their asses.
JSS gets better.
9) JSS gets real good, improving once he learns the catalogue and rythm of the show.
10) Announcement made. Some HogTalkers refuse to believe. they threaten to leave. We cheer loudly. They are a slow bunch, that's for sure.
11) Everything is fucking perfect.

Rock on, and don't look back.

[brywool]

I don't think Jeff ever sucked.

Listen to the Charolotte boot. "Only the Young" was especially bad. Worse than any karaoke singer I've ever heard and worse than Augeri ever was.
He's singing and all the sudden his voice sounds like a keebler elf. He also missed a ton of pitches throughout the show and the following ones. He was strainy and forced and I couldn't believe Journey chose him.

THEN he had some weeks off, came out and smoked.

The point is, anybody can have a bad night...even... GASP! Steve Perry.

I heard early boots of some songs where Jeff wasn't perfect & he sang sharp a lot. But I still don't think Jeff sucked for the performances I heard. I don't have the particular one ur talking about tho.

I've honestly never yet heard Perry sing off pitch on any of the boots I've heard. What he seems to do is when he's having an off-nite, instead of going for the note, he makes a little melody thing out of it. Brilliant move. But then, he knew those songs really well & his own voice.

It wasn't off pitch or flat, it was like some total other voice came out of him. It was SO weird. But as somebody mentioned, he didn't have monitors and he started the tour already nearly baked. After the break, he got a lot better.

[ohsherrie]

I would like to hear one of these delusional disbelievers explain why they think Augeri is no longer in the band. If tapegate was all a lie why couldn't Augeri sing when the allegations forced them to stop using the tapes? If it was just a temporary illness, do they really think this equal partner in the corporation could be ousted permanently for no other reason than a temporary illness?

You know, I bet they think Kermit the Frog and Elmo do their own singing too.

[pdsidd]

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell but am not the only one in the world who doesn't agree with the character assassination of Augeri -
see http://www.getreadytorock.com/reviews/journey_gig2.htm

Well, P. Siddy...

#1) That review was obviously written by a "Wiggler", and
#2) If you want to take on Deano, you better watch out, cause you're out of your league!! RIP.

#1. Written by a bloke called Ian Harvey who probably isn't normally called a 'wiggler' but am sure you're right. Folks on here seem to know all the facts so you'll probably know him personally.

#2. Not taking him on just saying if he's exhausted by it all then he don't need to get involved. If someone can just post up a video that PROVES beyond reasonable doubt the tapegate thing then let's see it.

How hard can it be?

Well, I for one don't know any 'facts', but I can read between the lines on that one. And regarding Deano, how can he not get involved?? He is responsible for exposing the whole incident, leading to the current change in circumstances of the band. Mr. Augeri is still yet to make any type of announcement (on any subject). How hard can that be? I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you, but I'm starting to get a little irritated by the whole thing.

I agree Augeri has made no announcment on the subject but then again neither have Journey on the tapegate subject. Let's drop it then - am sure at some point a video will be made available that clearly illustrates the lip syncing issue until then I'll stick with my belief that a guy is innocent until proven guilty. Thanks for taking the time. Have a good Xmas.

[pdsidd]

I would like to hear one of these delusional disbelievers explain why they think Augeri is no longer in the band. If tapegate was all a lie why couldn't Augeri sing when the allegations forced them to stop using the tapes? If it was just a temporary illness, do they really think this equal partner in the corporation could be ousted permanently for no other reason than a temporary illness?

You know, I bet they think Kermit the Frog and Elmo do their own singing too.

I have no idea why Augeri is no longer in the band and Journeys press statement gives no reason as far as I can tell. Think it can be largely put down to Neal running the show and he's always been more rock-orientated - but that's an assumption on my deluded disbelieving part.

Certainly don't think there are any equal partners in the corp. as you put it, Neal and Co. is probably the case.

As to it being a temporary illness - we don't know there's not been an announcement on that however there's little doubt that when push came to shove SA's voice could meet the demands that JRNYs live schedule were putting on it and it's likely that in the tail-end of their career JRNY are going to want to keep to a hectic schedule to maximise their revenue stream.

I always thought Elmo did his own vocals but Kermit started using a big microphone in 2003 and that's always a sure sign I'm led to believe!

[ohsherrie]

I would like to hear one of these delusional disbelievers explain why they think Augeri is no longer in the band. If tapegate was all a lie why couldn't Augeri sing when the allegations forced them to stop using the tapes? If it was just a temporary illness, do they really think this equal partner in the corporation could be ousted permanently for no other reason than a temporary illness?

You know, I bet they think Kermit the Frog and Elmo do their own singing too.

I have no idea why Augeri is no longer in the band and Journeys press statement gives no reason as far as I can tell. Think it can be largely put down to Neal running the show and he's always been more rock-orientated - but that's an assumption on my deluded disbelieving part.

Certainly don't think there are any equal partners in the corp. as you put it, Neal and Co. is probably the case.

Um, no, if Neal was running the show Augeri probably would have been out at least 3 yrs ago. The reason Andrew had to hold off the interviews he got in the first half of Nov until the last half of Dec is because Augeri was a full partner and his demands had to be met. That's also the reason neither his nor the band's statements clarify the real situation.

As to it being a temporary illness - we don't know there's not been an announcement on that however there's little doubt that when push came to shove SA's voice could meet the demands that JRNYs live schedule were putting on it and it's likely that in the tail-end of their career JRNY are going to want to keep to a hectic schedule to maximise their revenue stream.

So, are you saying here that you think he could or couldn't have kept up with the touring schedule? If he could, why didn't he, and if he couldn't why didn't he, the equal partner, step in and say I've got to have more time off to get my voice healed? I can tell you why. It's because he never had the chops to do it in the first place. His voice wasn't going to heal to the point where he could tour. He's totally shot his voice trying to imitate a singer that he just never measured up to.

I always thought Elmo did his own vocals but Kermit started using a big microphone in 2003 and that's always a sure sign I'm led to believe!

Well than that damn lipper Kermit needs to get an new puppeteer. Something needs to be done. Could you start a blog about that Dean.

[Granny]

I would like to hear one of these delusional disbelievers explain why they think Augeri is no longer in the band. If tapegate was all a lie why couldn't Augeri sing when the allegations forced them to stop using the tapes? If it was just a temporary illness, do they really think this equal partner in the corporation could be ousted permanently for no other reason than a temporary illness?

You know, I bet they think Kermit the Frog and Elmo do their own singing too.

I have no idea why Augeri is no longer in the band and Journeys press statement gives no reason as far as I can tell. Think it can be largely put down to Neal running the show and he's always been more rock-orientated - but that's an assumption on my deluded disbelieving part.

Certainly don't think there are any equal partners in the corp. as you put it, Neal and Co. is probably the case.

Um, no, if Neal was running the show Augeri probably would have been out at least 3 yrs ago. The reason Andrew had to hold off the interviews he got in the first half of Nov until the last half of Dec is because Augeri was a full partner and his demands had to be met. That's also the reason neither his nor the band's statements clarify the real situation.

As to it being a temporary illness - we don't know there's not been an announcement on that however there's little doubt that when push came to shove SA's voice could meet the demands that JRNYs live schedule were putting on it and it's likely that in the tail-end of their career JRNY are going to want to keep to a hectic schedule to maximise their revenue stream.

So, are you saying here that you think he could or couldn't have kept up with the touring schedule? If he could, why didn't he, and if he couldn't why didn't he, the equal partner, step in and say I've got to have more time off to get my voice healed? I can tell you why. It's because he never had the chops to do it in the first place. His voice wasn't going to heal to the point where he could tour. He's totally shot his voice trying to imitate a singer that he just never measured up to.

I always thought Elmo did his own vocals but Kermit started using a big microphone in 2003 and that's always a sure sign I'm led to believe!

Well than that damn lipper Kermit needs to get an new puppeteer. Something needs to be done. Could you start a blog about that Dean.

Loved your reply, Sherrie!LOL and so very true.....P DIDDY, u need to go and search for urself and see the vids and hear the boots....its a shame he damaged his voice, but it was his own doing, we all have control over our own bodies but he chose to continure when he should have stepped down...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Certainly don't think there are any equal partners in the corp. as you put it, Neal and Co. is probably the case.

One of Deen Castronovo's relatives confirmed that every member is an EQUAL partner.
This was later verified by the very CEO of this website, Andrew McNeice.
If you've never taken someone at their word, THIS would be the time.
Deano is 100% correct.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Simple fact is that if Augeri was using a tape it's certainly not the 2001 arrival tape because it's not that good so that argument gets blown out of the water early on.

When Augeri sang in the UK, certain songs were not off the Vegas dvd (Dead or Alive, Keep on Running, Edge of the Blade). In the UK he was hitting stratospheric high notes that would've been out of his reach in his prime. What a farce you witnessed. Aside from the above mentioned songs, everything else was 100% off of Vegas.

He supposedly start using a big mic in 2005 but it's the same as the one in 2001 so that's not a solid argument.

The one in 2001 was an outside performance. In 2005, Augeri had a windscreen mic, firmly pressed up against his lips, during both indoors and outdoors.From the way you post it's very apparent to me that you never witnessed Augeri live. And if you did, it was already after tapes were in effect. Singing the way he did during '05 was wholly unnatural.

The only portion of this song that is live is at 4:34. Same spot they'd open up his mic every night. From 4:46 onwards the tapes are back on. Augeri also sings the low range ending, but the video cuts out before that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfhkXhyz ... %20augerie

Can see that in the Faithfully.mp3 that someone's posted that's supposed to be from Manchester that his voice goes after about a minute and a half but it was that brilliant leading upto that point if it was tape it wasn't that good a tape.

Sorry. Yet again you show your verdancy.
Up until 1:06 (when the tape shorts out) "Faithfully" is a 100% isolated vocal off the Vegas dvd.Same as it was every single night of the '05 tour.

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell

Yes, yes, you are. Just the way Steve Augeri likes it.

[ohsherrie]

Loved your reply, Sherrie!LOL and so very true.....P DIDDY, u need to go and search for urself and see the vids and hear the boots....its a shame he damaged his voice, but it was his own doing, we all have control over our own bodies but he chose to continure when he should have stepped down...

Thanks Carol. What can you do with these people.

I'm honestly sorry that a good singer lost his voice, but damn, he just wasn't good enough to replace Steve Perry. Jeff has got what it takes to sing Journey and these people need to either get on board or got to Augeriville and hold prayer circles.

[fredinator]

I finally worked up the nerve to watch this video and dang!! the quality of the music just shines right through SA's hollering at the end of Don't Stop Believing... (I also kind of liked Neal's hair. There is really no other band like Journey (IMO, of course)...

[Chevypv]

http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3

The bootlegs of Manchester and Edinburg are rife with moments like these where you distinctly hear SA's feed stop and his croacky real voice begin.

Wow, if anyone can still try and debate wether SA used tapes after hearing this they are either deaf or the stuidest person i have ever met...that was fucking awful....

plus, its SO obvious in that VH1 video when his vocals are live and when they are taped....its awful....

[pdsidd]

Simple fact is that if Augeri was using a tape it's certainly not the 2001 arrival tape because it's not that good so that argument gets blown out of the water early on.

When Augeri sang in the UK, certain songs were not off the Vegas dvd (Dead or Alive, Keep on Running, Edge of the Blade). In the UK he was hitting stratospheric high notes that would've been out of his reach in his prime. What a farce you witnessed. Aside from the above mentioned songs, everything else was 100% off of Vegas.

He supposedly start using a big mic in 2005 but it's the same as the one in 2001 so that's not a solid argument.

The one in 2001 was an outside performance. In 2005, Augeri had a windscreen mic, firmly pressed up against his lips, during both indoors and outdoors.From the way you post it's very apparent to me that you never witnessed Augeri live. And if you did, it was already after tapes were in effect. Singing the way he did during '05 was wholly unnatural.

The only portion of this song that is live is at 4:34. Same spot they'd open up his mic every night. From 4:46 onwards the tapes are back on. Augeri also sings the low range ending, but the video cuts out before that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfhkXhyz ... %20augerie

Can see that in the Faithfully.mp3 that someone's posted that's supposed to be from Manchester that his voice goes after about a minute and a half but it was that brilliant leading upto that point if it was tape it wasn't that good a tape.

Sorry. Yet again you show your verdancy.
Up until 1:06 (when the tape shorts out) "Faithfully" is a 100% isolated vocal off the Vegas dvd.Same as it was every single night of the '05 tour.

I know that cause I went to the Edinburgh show and couldn't tell from close up that it was miming I'm obviously dumb as hell

Yes, yes, you are. Just the way Steve Augeri likes it.

Yes, I'm green and dumb as hell so am going to check out more boots. I guess the problem I have is that if it's true it's done so unbelievably well that it's hard to detect but at least I know that if I compare 'Faithfully' on a number of boots and they're all the same that what you're saying is true. Many thanks for the pointer.

[pdsidd]

Well if you're exhausted why not politely back off and save your energy.

By using the word, "exhausted" I was trying to tell explain that we have run through the entire episode (s) more than once. I am not doing it again. Some others can do it, but I'm done trying to explain this to you.

He wasn't lipping Arrival 2001. he sang that night live. I was there, and IMO, he sounded damned good. However, when that DVD went to stores, his vocals were replaced by studio vocals.

Last time-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour.
3) I started catching on about two months later
4) I was convinced of what is now fact, once the 30th tour ended. I told a few here that if they pull this shit again for next years' tour, it is getting ugly...it sure did.
5) Yep, they lipped again. neal however, was worried and knew about the internet. It was only a matter of time,, and Neal knew it.
6) BT vs MR was in full force. Of course MR won and MR was correct the entire time.
7) Jeff Scott Soto rides in and saves their asses.
JSS gets better.
9) JSS gets real good, improving once he learns the catalogue and rythm of the show.
10) Announcement made. Some HogTalkers refuse to believe. they threaten to leave. We cheer loudly. They are a slow bunch, that's for sure.
11) Everything is fucking perfect.

Rock on, and don't look back.

Hi Dean

Thanks for pointing me to the song that he's been lipsyncing on the longest:-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. <<Which'd be mid-Nov 05?>>


Dec 2005 <<Four weeks into 30th Ann. tour>>
At 00:28 fourth line of Faithfully he sings "You're on my mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc4luNaMuKg


Manchester June 2006 at 00:27ish He drops the word "You're" and sings only "On my mind"
http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


How's that work then??

Still investigating...

[maverick218]

ummm...wow. HAHA. I just watched the Higher Place clip. Did SA just wake up? Because it seems like he's in a yawn and has nothing to his voice. He barely goes for the high notes, and makes no attemp to raise his voice so you can hear him. I'm dissapointed in this clip because I backed him on many occasions. Either that or quality for sound on the clip is a bit lacking, but overall, not impressed.

Here's one I found of them performing Liberty. Never saw this. If anyone wants to take a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ID_Y4lmdE&mode=related&search=

It was early (8:30 am eastern)- on CBS' early morning show and it looked cold outside. I remember the performance wasn't real good, but always felt like cutting them some slack under the circumstances.

[JeremyP]

Hi Dean

Thanks for pointing me to the song that he's been lipsyncing on the longest:-

1) He started lippin in 2003, most notably on faithfully.
2) He started lipping full time the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. <<Which'd be mid-Nov 05?>>


Dec 2005 <<Four weeks into 30th Ann. tour>>
At 00:28 fourth line of Faithfully he sings "You're on my mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc4luNaMuKg


Manchester June 2006 at 00:27ish He drops the word "You're" and sings only "On my mind"
http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3


How's that work then??

Still investigating...

I think the first part of that song is live on the Manchester boot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think the first part of that song is live on the Manchester boot.

No wonder Journey got away with this as long as they did.
You are all fucking braindead.
Up until 1:06 on Manchester (when the tape fails) you are listening to a 100% isolated vocal straight off the Vegas dvd.
Don't you hear Augeri's raspy guttural voice that starts from that point onwards?
That was his voice for the duration of the '05 tour (US and UK).

Differentiating the pristine glass-shatering high tenor of the tapes from his blown out voice is easy as can be.

[amaron]

Wow... I thought all this tapegate shit was over with.

[Clasicrockldy]

amaron......... there is always someone who is a day late.................

[Red13JoePa]

Wow... I thought all this tapegate shit was over with.

It is, unless you don't roll with the OFFICIAL UNOFFICIAL version of it. If you form your own different conclusion Then you get what Jeremy got for his trouble.