OT: Anna Nicole Smith pronounced dead

[Ms_M]

Dumb as a fox is right. Now granted, this clip is by no means proof positive of her genius, it does show that she was capable of getting into character and acting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzD16V7Gi7M

Interesting clip. I think she was smarter than she let on. She may have trusted the wrong person though.... That Stern guy is looking fishier all the time.

Anna Nicole Smith needed a friend. Period. Everyone else around her enjoyed her celebrity or what they could get out of her and of course would bow down to whatever she demanded. A true friend would never have done that.

It was also very apparent that she absolutely loved and adored her son. ET interviewed John Travolta and told him about a photo ANS had framed in her home in the Bahamas of her and John. He mentioned that when they filmed a recent movie together, all she ever spoke of was her son. So much so, that he said it truly touched him. I'm glad someone finally came out and said something kind about her...regardless of whatever demons she may have been chasing.

I read an article soon after her son Daniel had passed that mentioned how intelligent he actually was. He was in honors classes and doing very well. No doubt that part of Anna Nicole Smith's soul had died along with her son. I also saw the interview that one of her ex-boyfriends described her as "dumb as a fox". She knew when to 'act' dumb to benefit herself; no doubt she had the intelligence to get what she wanted also.

I'm sad that she couldn't have been strong enough to live to raise that beautiful daughter of hers. Hopefully she is finally at peace and the current circus will end.

Peace~

Agreed Liz, where the heck were all her friends and family to rally around her after her son died? Very tragic that either she didn't have any or that that creepy lawyer kept them away.

[Lilla_Forever]

In my opinion, ANS was menatally ill in some way. A story has just broke here, I'm sure you have it in the US as well, that she starved her baby daughter because she wanted her "to look sexy" Jezus Christ in Heaven! In my country, the child would have been taken away by the authorities in a heartbeat if anything like that had surfaced, no matter how rich or famous the mother was.

I think that it is sad that she's dead, death is never pleasant, but in one way, I think it may be for the daughters benefit not to be raised by her...

[Liz22562]

Seems to me that article about her starving her baby is ridiculous. Another person trying to get their 5 minutes of fame by causing a stir. If you have seen any of the recent news clips, the baby looks just fine and is adorable at that.

Albeit ANS may have had some emotional problems, the thought of someone accusing her of undernourishing her baby just goes to show that all the sicko's come out from under the wood work to attract attention to themselves.

It takes all kinds.

[Lilla_Forever]

Seems to me that article about her starving her baby is ridiculous. Another person trying to get their 5 minutes of fame by causing a stir. If you have seen any of the recent news clips, the baby looks just fine and is adorable at that.

Albeit ANS may have had some emotional problems, the thought of someone accusing her of undernourishing her baby just goes to show that all the sicko's come out from under the wood work to attract attention to themselves.

It takes all kinds.

Well, no one really knows for certain if the nanny is an attention seeker or not. I just think that one thing is to go to the media with something, another is to go before a judge, maybe its just a cultural thing, here very few people would involve the legal system without having a genuine complaint.

Anyway, from what I have seen of ANS' behaviour in her reality show, I think anything was possible...

I hope you are right tho!

[msmercury01]

You can never trust the media. Still a very sad story. I feel sad for her daughter most of all because she will never get to know her mother except the parody of what the media has portrayed her to be. I'm not saying the woman was a saint but just that her daughter will never know her real mother.
Teri

[YoungJRNYfan]

Anna Nicole Smith is dead? nuhuh, no way, you kiddin' me? I don't believe it,

wait


Who's Anna Nicole Smith?

[Barb]

Seems to me that article about her starving her baby is ridiculous. Another person trying to get their 5 minutes of fame by causing a stir. If you have seen any of the recent news clips, the baby looks just fine and is adorable at that.

Albeit ANS may have had some emotional problems, the thought of someone accusing her of undernourishing her baby just goes to show that all the sicko's come out from under the wood work to attract attention to themselves.

It takes all kinds.

Well, the nanny's affidavit was recorded in December.

[SteveForever]

Do you guys tend to believe Howard or the other side? I like Howard and believe he loved Anna Nicole, but what kind of lawyer let's a wealthy client go for 7 years without updating their WILL? Even if he didn't think she would die, you still keep your will updated.
They need to get this baby to the real biological parent before it gets too detached from being passed around.

[ohsherrie]

Do you guys tend to believe Howard or the other side? I like Howard and believe he loved Anna Nicole, but what kind of lawyer let's a wealthy client go for 7 years without updating their WILL? Even if he didn't think she would die, you still keep your will updated.
They need to get this baby to the real biological parent before it gets too detached from being passed around.

Exactly. The impression I get of Stern is that he's a manipulative, opportunistic sleeze. Has he ever really practiced law or does he just call himself a lawyer? If he knew what was in that will why didn't he see that it was updated after Daniel died? Maybe it was in his best interest not to for some reason?

[NealIsGod]

How did that video of her drugged up in clown makeup get leaked? Hmmmm...

Pretty obvious Stern is scum.

[SteveForever]

How did that video of her drugged up in clown makeup get leaked? Hmmmm...

Pretty obvious Stern is scum.

I think that one was stolen from their house in the Bahamas when he was in Miami or Ft. Lauderdale? Why would he leak that one when it incrimates the both of them to poisoning a fetus!
the baby needs drug testing at this point. Its not his baby, it's Larry's. Larry from next door maybe. I agree with you NIG, he's pond scum for enabling her...even if he loved her.

[ohsherrie]

How did that video of her drugged up in clown makeup get leaked? Hmmmm...

Pretty obvious Stern is scum.

I think that one was stolen from their house in the Bahamas when he was in Miami or Ft. Lauderdale? Why would he leak that one when it incrimates the both of them to poisoning a fetus!
the baby needs drug testing at this point. Its not his baby, it's Larry's. Larry from next door maybe.

I thought it was sort of interesting that the baby's birth certificate was also among the stuff that was stolen in that break-in.

[Moon Beam]

How did that video of her drugged up in clown makeup get leaked? Hmmmm...

Pretty obvious Stern is scum.

Haven't seen that video but your thoughts
pretty much reflect my own, the man is
a pond scum sucker.

[larryfromnextdoor]

the judge in the case seems real strange cracking jokes the entire time..

[Moon Beam]

the judge in the case seems real strange cracking jokes the entire time..

I haven't seen that yet, what kind of jokes Larry?

[SusieP]

[quote="ohsherrie
Exactly. The impression I get of Stern is that he's a manipulative, opportunistic sleeze. Has he ever really practiced law or does he just call himself a lawyer? If he knew what was in that will why didn't he see that it was updated after Daniel died? Maybe it was in his best interest not to for some reason?[/quote]

Doesn't a marriage void a Will?
It does here in the UK, I think.
So would Stern become her next of kin on marriage and thus control everything?
If so, by marrying her, he didn't need to have her change the Will.
But maybe it's different in the U.S.

I'd be interested to know, if any of you can explain.

What a mess this all is!

[ohsherrie]

Exactly. The impression I get of Stern is that he's a manipulative, opportunistic sleeze. Has he ever really practiced law or does he just call himself a lawyer? If he knew what was in that will why didn't he see that it was updated after Daniel died? Maybe it was in his best interest not to for some reason?

Doesn't a marriage void a Will?
It does here in the UK, I think.
So would Stern become her next of kin on marriage and thus control everything?
If so, by marrying her, he didn't need to have her change the Will.
But maybe it's different in the U.S.

I'd be interested to know, if any of you can explain.

What a mess this all is!

I don't think marriage voids a will here Susie, but in the event that there is no will or the will become invalid for other reasons, the spouse automatically inherits. What's interesting about Anna's will is that she left everything to her son who died and specified that she intentionally wasn't providing for any future spouse or children in the will. So maybe, by not having the will changed after Daniel's death Stern becomes her heir by default.

[SusieP]

[quote="ohsherrieI don't think marriage voids a will here Susie, but in the event that there is no will or the will become invalid for other reasons, the spouse automatically inherits. What's interesting about Anna's will is that she left everything to her son who died and specified that she intentionally wasn't providing for any future spouse or children in the will. So maybe, by not having the will changed after Daniel's death Stern becomes her heir by default.[/quote]

OMG! This is such a dreadful mess.
I think the sooner they sort out paternity of this child the better.

But you just know the lawyers will drag it out for as long as they can.

[ohsherrie]

I don't think marriage voids a will here Susie, but in the event that there is no will or the will become invalid for other reasons, the spouse automatically inherits. What's interesting about Anna's will is that she left everything to her son who died and specified that she intentionally wasn't providing for any future spouse or children in the will. So maybe, by not having the will changed after Daniel's death Stern becomes her heir by default.

OMG! This is such a dreadful mess.
I think the sooner they sort out paternity of this child the better.

But you just know the lawyers will drag it out for as long as they can.

I agree. The focus should be on the welfare of that baby right now rather than on who will get her money, but sadly doubt that's the case.

[Wally_Hatchet]

Doesn't a marriage void a Will?
It does here in the UK, I think.
So would Stern become her next of kin on marriage and thus control everything?
If so, by marrying her, he didn't need to have her change the Will.

Stern and ANS were NOT married.

They had a "commitment ceremony", but never got legally married.

And as for the Florida case, there is no such thing as common law marriage in Florida.

[SusieP]

[quote="Wally_Hatchet
Stern and ANS were NOT married.

They had a "commitment ceremony", but never got legally married.

And as for the Florida case, there is no such thing as common law marriage in Florida.[/quote]

Oh, right. It's been reported here that they were legally married.
Serves me right for believing what I read.

Any news on DNA/Paternity tests or has nothing been done yet?

[ohsherrie]

Doesn't a marriage void a Will?
It does here in the UK, I think.
So would Stern become her next of kin on marriage and thus control everything?
If so, by marrying her, he didn't need to have her change the Will.

Stern and ANS were NOT married.

They had a "commitment ceremony", but never got legally married.

And as for the Florida case, there is no such thing as common law marriage in Florida.

Hmmm, I didn't know that. So, that baby may be his only tie to the money. Oh what a tangled web.

[larryfromnextdoor]

the judge in the case seems real strange cracking jokes the entire time..

I haven't seen that yet, what kind of jokes Larry?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/ne ... 744203.htm

BROWARD CIRCUIT COURT
Snappy judge is star of this Anna Nicole reality showThe critics have spoken: Judge Larry Seidlin's 15 minutes of fame just might become a half-hour TV show.
BY ROBERTO SANTIAGO
rsantiago@MiamiHerald.com

EMILY MICHOT / MIAMI HERALD STAFF
STAR POWER: Broward Circuit Judge Larry Seidlin greets members of the media Tuesday as he prepares to resume presiding over the marathon legal tug of war over Anna Nicole Smith's cadaver.
More photosMove over, Judge Judy.

Your next competitor could be a former New York City cab-driver-turned-Broward-Circuit-judge who some say has what it takes to be a daytime-TV star.

Ironically, Larry Seidlin is almost as flamboyant as the TV star who is the subject of what could be his career-making case: Anna Nicole Smith.

Seidlin, who has been on the bench for 29 years, has to decide who will get custody of Smith's body, which continues to decompose in the Broward Medical Examiner's refrigerated storage room.

And he's made it clear he intends to move the hearing along swiftly, often ignoring or dismissing objections raised by the contingent of lawyers in the courtroom.

The balding, 56-year-old Bronx-born jurist made heads turn last week when he referred to Smith's corpse as ''that baby,'' declaring that her body ``belongs to me now.''

Though he has since regretted those comments, his courtroom demeanor is nevertheless one part Bronx cowboy, one part preacher.

''He is not as pretty as Judge Judy, but he is cut from the same tooth,'' said Vinnie Politan, co-host of CourtTV's weekday morning show, Bloom & Politan. ``We here at CourtTV love him. This is going to put him on the map, and he knows it.''

`RELAX, TEXAS'

In court on Tuesday, he coined a nickname for one of the attorneys representing Smith's estranged mother, dubbing him ``Texas.''

''Relax, Texas,'' sniffed Seidlin, who told the attorney several times to stop slowing the hearing with objections.

Smith's estranged mother, Virgie Arthur, and Smith's former lover, Larry Birkhead, want Smith to be buried in her native Texas.

But Smith's longtime companion and attorney, Howard K. Stern, wants her to be buried in the Bahamas, alongside her late son, Daniel.

Stern told Seidlin on Tuesday that he represented Smith in her high-profile legal fight for a chunk of the $500 million estate of her late tycoon husband, J. Howard Marshall.

Seidlin said he didn't know anything about the case.

And he repeatedly mispronounced Birkhead's last name until he was corrected by an attorney.

DOESN'T READ STORIES

At one point during the proceeding, Seidlin said: ``You're assuming I know stuff. I haven't read anything about this. This is an area the other side of my family reads about.''

But Seidlin's not-ready-for-prime-time theatrics have not endeared him to everyone.

One lawyer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, was mystified that Seidlin is getting national attention.

''One of the worst judges in Broward County could wind up becoming a TV star,'' said the lawyer.

And that attorney is not alone. In the 2004 Broward County Bar Poll, 22 percent of lawyers responding to the survey said Seidlin was not qualified -- putting him near the bottom of the pack of judges. And the blog found on the website for the Justice Advocacy Association of Broward, jaablaw.com, had several hostile statements about Seidlin, calling him some names that can't be published in a family newspaper.

But his supporters say that Seidlin, while controversial, has a no-nonsense approach that works. Fort Lauderdale attorney Bradford Cohen, who has had cases before Seidlin, has nothing but praise for him, describing the judge as fair and smart.

He insists Seidlin's behavior has no negative impact on his job.

LOTS OF PERSONALITY

''If judges don't have personalities, it would be a pretty boring world,'' said Cohen. ``Critics think he is not taking the case seriously due to his demeanor, but look at how he controls the courtroom. Look at the decisions he has made. His skill speaks for itself.''

Seidlin was elected a County Court judge in 1978, becoming one of the youngest at age 28. He was appointed circuit judge in 1989. Prior to that, he worked as a Broward prosecutor. He put himself through college by driving a taxi in New York City. Public records show he has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

''Larry has no problem expressing his feelings and is unconcerned with public opinion,'' said Fort Lauderdale attorney Gary Ostrow, who has known Seidlin for 20 years. ``He calls it like he sees it. His primary concern is making the appropriate ruling at the appropriate time on the appropriate issue.''

And so does William Gelin, an outspoken critic of the Broward judiciary.

''Seidlin is known for saying controversial things, but that is just his personality,'' said Gelin, founding member of Jaablaw.com. ``He has an old-style mediator approach and when it comes to justice being served, he always tries to get the best possible results.''

Still, some in the TV business think Seidlin could use a little more spit and polish.

''Looks-wise, he is not a Clark Gable,'' said Randy Douthit, executive producer for Judge Judy. ``I wish his posture was a little better. If he sat up straight, I would feel better about him.''

Miami Herald

[SusieP]

[quote="ohsherrie Oh what a tangled web. [/quote]


You can say that again!

I don't know much about this man, did he work for a living or did he just hang around with ANS?
I know he's supposed to be a lawyer, but did he actually have a practice/offices etc?

[NealIsGod]

The balding, 56-year-old Bronx-born jurist made heads turn last week when he referred to Smith's corpse as ''that baby,'' declaring that her body ``belongs to me now.''

Creepy.

[Wally_Hatchet]

[quote="ohsherrie Oh what a tangled web.

You can say that again!

I don't know much about this man, did he work for a living or did he just hang around with ANS?
I know he's supposed to be a lawyer, but did he actually have a practice/offices etc?[/quote]


All he did was hang around ANS. In their reality show, she was always bossing him around, he was her "yes man" and "do boy". In the years the show was on, they were never boyfriend/girlfriend and she seemed to be disgusted by him sexually.

He is a leech, a creep and wants one thing - her money, or some of it anyway. Every time you see her in news clips he is always right behind her.

[SusieP]

[quote="Wally_Hatchet
All he did was hang around ANS. In their reality show, she was always bossing him around, he was her "yes man" and "do boy". In the years the show was on, they were never boyfriend/girlfriend and she seemed to be disgusted by him sexually.

He is a leech, a creep and wants one thing - her money, or some of it anyway. Every time you see her in news clips he is always right behind her.[/quote]

OK Thanks, Wally. I take it you don't think he's the baby's father, then?

If her life story was pitched to a movie company, they'd reject it as too unrealistic!
As they say, "you couldn't make it up!"

[bluejeangirl76]

The whole disgusting circus makes me sick. I don't know what more I can even say than that.

On the court channel, or CNN or whatever it was, they put the ANS trial on split screen while they were following another news story about a police chase involving, of all things, a white SUV. Circus trial on one side of the screen.... white SUV chase on the other... I had flashbacks, I tell ya. I was waiting for Judge Ito to pop up on the screen trying to sell me a Wonder Mop.

[NealIsGod]

The attorney for Anna Nicole Smith's infant daughter -- her legal guardian -- was awarded custody of the former model's remains, a judge ruled Thursday. He directed the guardian to consult with the three other parties who had sought the body. As he made the ruling both Smith's partner Howard K. Stern and her mom Virgie Arthur broke down in tears.

[SusieP]

The attorney for Anna Nicole Smith's infant daughter -- her legal guardian -- was awarded custody of the former model's remains, a judge ruled Thursday. He directed the guardian to consult with the three other parties who had sought the body. As he made the ruling both Smith's partner Howard K. Stern and her mom Virgie Arthur broke down in tears.

So the attorney for the daughter has been given custody.
Who is the attorney, please? Is it that Opri woman?
There are so many players in this farce that I don't know who is who anymore!!!!

Why don't they just do the paternity DNA tests on the cast of thousands who are claiming to be the father and sort it once and for all???
I'm so confused.