Where is Steve Augeri and is he better??

by **ArnelRox** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:49 am

Jeff's not a melodic singer b/c he doesn't sing in his high register ALL the time? I guess that leaves only Perry & Lou Gramm as this person's definition of "melodic" then b/c no one else I can think of sang most songs in the high register. That definition even blows Stevie Nicks out. She sang a bit too low.

Damn, I have misunderstood melodic all my life. I am so depressed now. Should I go jump in the ocean? :roll:

by **pdsidd** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:52 am

JourneyRox wrote:Jeff's not a melodic singer b/c he doesn't sing in his high register ALL the time? I guess that leaves only Perry & Lou Gramm as this person's definition of "melodic" then b/c no one else I can think of sang most songs in the high register. That definition even blows Stevie Nicks out. She sang a bit too low.

Damn, I have misunderstood melodic all my life. I am so depressed now. Should I go jump in the ocean?

Who said melodic = high register? You getting confused because Perry had a range that encompased the top end or something??

by **ArnelRox** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:55 am

pdsidd wrote:Who said melodic = high register? You getting confused because Perry had a range that encompased the top end or something??

I'm not confused at all. Page 4 of this thread:

Aaron said:

... in my view, a melodic song is sung several steps up from Gin and Tonic Sky.

With me now pdsidd?

by **pdsidd** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:00 am

JourneyRox wrote:
pdsidd wrote:Who said melodic = high register? You getting confused because Perry had a range that encompased the top end or something??

I'm not confused at all. Page 4 of this thread:

Aaron said:

... in my view, a melodic song is sung several steps up from Gin and Tonic Sky.

With me now pdsidd?

Not at all, is "Gin and Tonic Sky" a song that's made it big over the pond and not made it over to the UK or something? Certainly not a term I'm familiar with?

But if that is saying a melodic song has to be in a high key then I agree it's not my definition of melodic rock and that's for sure.

by **ArnelRox** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:04 am

pdsidd wrote:Not at all, is "Gin and Tonic Sky" a song that's made it big over the pond and not made it over to the UK or something? Certainly not a term I'm familiar with?

But if that is saying a melodic song has to be in a high key then I agree it's not my definition of melodic rock and that's for sure.

Gin & Tonic Sky is a song on Jeff's MySpace page. http://profile.myspace.com/sewtoe

It seems Aaron defines melodic as singing high. Not my definition either.

by **The Fly** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:14 am

bufordt9 wrote:they are sure missing Journey...

That's the point.... We ARE missing Journey. :wink:

by **Aaron** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:31 pm

Mac,

Its a good thing you're not on the other side of the fence with your opinion or might just be getting your balls busted.

L8r mate,

Aaron

Andrew wrote:For the record. I think Jeff is one of the best, most versatile, melodic and soulful rock singers there is in the business.

Just throwing that out there...my opinion, for whatever it is worth

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:32 pm

The Fly wrote:
bufordt9 wrote:they are sure missing Journey...

That's the point.... We ARE missing Journey.

Go fuck yourself.

You are missing Journey?

Ok, I'll bite.

Hey, at first I thought Soto wa shit. I was on record as saying Deen or Perry were the only ones who do the catalogue justice. Boy, was I wrong. Soto has proven he can actually hit Perry notes. I think the guy need some serious praise for his talent, adaptation, and overall respect to the band, the legacy and the voice that is Perry.

Stop typing insurgents. I can hear you banging your keyboards.

I am harder on Soto than anyone, but I am fair. You can NEVER accuse me of being unfair.

Jeff is a really good guy....on all levels, and I am glad to see him finally, albeit 25 years late, get the adulation he deserves.

The pressure is on him to produce a kick ass CD. If I were at the window with 2 minutes to post time, I would bet it all to win. No Place, No show. That is for Styx and REO. Journey is better than those shit bands.

by **Aaron** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:42 pm

Dude,

Sorry for the slow reply as I've been in China for a week. Now for being calm, I'm completely calm now and last week, no worries there. I have very much respect for your work and your influences. I'm just tired of you arguing with me on my opinion bro, that one is difficult to win. Here is one thing to think about, there is a difference between confidence and arrogance. I have all the time in the world for confident people and no time for arrogant people.

I'll do some more digging on your other work. What is the one CD I should buy of yours that would win me over based my tastes?

I still stand by what I said last week.

L8r bro,

Aaron

JSS wrote:Dude, calm yourself, your comment was a fucking joke, not you! And perhaps by only knowing my work with Yngwie or Rock Star, you think I am only a metal guy where the metal part was a tiny part of who I am. I was weened on Perry, Mercury, Wonder, Gramm & all the greats who OWN melody. If u look into things like Eyes, Talisman or even my 2nd solo album, you'd see there was far more substance you know of me. Regarding ego, come on man, don't even go there....ego is not to be confused with confidence, with confidence I implore you to see/hear what you're missing....even after the acoustic version of Coming Home on the page, if you get nothing there, then yes, it's all matter of opinion. But I will correct you on the melodic part, melody is my life!

by **7 Wishes** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:44 pm

I believe Fraudgieri is now a boogie board instructor on the island of Oahu.

Christ, why am I still awake? What a loser. I'm a lousy father, too. My son and I were up to close to midnight watching "Spinal Tap". He loves that movie. Who doesn't, right? We had the most awesome day. He's my best friend. Anyway, what does that have to do with anything, right? I've learned to live on 5-6 hours sleep per night. Unfortunately, unlike Edison, I'm a moron.

Deano, my kid is 5. Give him a break! He's a damn good drummer and he knows all the major chords on the piano. The axe is a different story. I'm going to start him on the sax next fall.

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:46 pm

Aaron wrote:

I'll do some more digging on your other work. What is the one CD I should buy of yours that would win me over based my tastes?

Fuck his past work.

I like it but don't listen to it. I am focussed on his work IN Journey.

So Far Do Good..(sorry BA....)

All I give shit is that he makes Journey respectable again. He has far out exceeded that.

by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:45 pm

Fair enough. So Journey is respectable now ... hmm ... band members are denying what happened publicly and they all knew exactly what the fuck was happening with "Tapegate." They may be live now with JSS but I sure as hell don't see the band as respectable. Shit Dean, you should be ass pissed as anyone, they are calling you a stupid liar in print these days. What's up with that? Whatever is best for the band, yea?

I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well. I think you'd feel the same without the payola bro. Oddly enough you had the same opinion as I did until you were "invited" to a show.

L8r,

Aaron

RockinDeano wrote:
Aaron wrote:

I'll do some more digging on your other work. What is the one CD I should buy of yours that would win me over based my tastes?

Fuck his past work.

I like it but don't listen to it. I am focussed on his work IN Journey.

So Far Do Good..(sorry BA....)

All I give shit is that he makes Journey respectable again. He has far out exceeded that.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:12 pm

Aaron wrote:
I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well. I think you'd feel the same without the payola bro. Oddly enough you had the same opinion as I did until you were "invited" to a show.

Fuck you Aron.

Prove that I have been paid off? You can't. You are as bad as Steveforever or Shania. All bullshit.

I am not being paid off.

No, I wouldn't have the same feeling. Soto improved ten fold and continues to improve. Get the fuck outta here and go ride the Toto train to nowher, you fucking swine.

by **SteveForever** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:17 pm

"You are as bad as Steveforever"

:mrgreen:

You've been busy today.

by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:23 pm

Den,

I'm not saying you've been paid off with cash bro. What I am saying is that you've gotten free tickets, back stages passes and so on. Isn't that right? I'm pretty sure I can dig up posts on this board that can substantiate that but I don't have the energy for such petty shit. So tell me that you've received no free tickets or other fringes.

So what about Valory and Schon's interviews denying Tapegate happened? What's up with that? We both know it happened. So how does it feel to be called a stupid bastard by the band after all of the cheer leading you've done for them?

Respectable, I don't think so.

Toto are a bunch of fags but I will have a listen to Boston in Delp's honor. He was a respectable person that could still to do it and didn't quit on his band.

L8r asshole,

Aaron

RockinDeano wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well. I think you'd feel the same without the payola bro. Oddly enough you had the same opinion as I did until you were "invited" to a show.

Fuck you Aron.

Prove that I have been paid off? You can't. You are as bad as Steveforever or Shania. All bullshit.

I am not being paid off.

No, I wouldn't have the same feeling. Soto improved ten fold and continues to improve. Get the fuck outta here and go ride the Toto train to nowher, you fucking swine.

by **The Fly** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:05 pm

RockinDeano wrote:
The Fly wrote:
bufordt9 wrote:they are sure missing Journey...

That's the point.... We ARE missing Journey.

Go fuck yourself.

You are missing Journey?

Ok, I'll bite.

Hey, at first I thought Soto wa shit. I was on record as saying Deen or Perry were the only ones who do the catalogue justice. Boy, was I wrong. Soto has proven he can actually hit Perry notes. I think the guy need some serious praise for his talent, adaptation, and overall respect to the band, the legacy and the voice that is Perry.

Stop typing insurgents. I can hear you banging your keyboards.

I am harder on Soto than anyone, but I am fair. You can NEVER accuse me of being unfair.

Jeff is a really good guy....on all levels, and I am glad to see him finally, albeit 25 years late, get the adulation he deserves.

The pressure is on him to produce a kick ass CD. If I were at the window with 2 minutes to post time, I would bet it all to win. No Place, No show. That is for Styx and REO. Journey is better than those shit bands.

Always the friendly one around here. :lol:

I hope they do produce a Kick Ass CD! But I am also sure it will sound little like anything they have done in the past. I hope someone out journeys Journey one of these days and we'll see how you feel then. You seem to have as many enemies around here as you do supporters Deano. You nor Jeff can change our opinions. We are every bit as much of a Journey fan as you are over the years. In all honesty I hope they prove me wrong. But to me Journey isn't Journey anymore. Now what I have heard from REO in the new clips sounds like classic REO! I'd spend my money on that anyday over seeing the new "Journey" live.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:10 pm

Aaron wrote:I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.

you need to give a listen to the England boots :shock:

AMAZING!!!!

by **The Fly** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:12 pm

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Aaron wrote:I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.

you need to give a listen to the England boots AMAZING!!!!

Show me where I can find them! I have the Atlanta one and I won't tell you what I think..... :wink:

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:14 pm

The Fly wrote:
LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Aaron wrote:I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.

you need to give a listen to the England boots AMAZING!!!!

Show me where I can find them! I have the Atlanta one and I won't tell you what I think.....

oh , even jeff admits the early ones are bad,, go to the manchester thread,,, the links should still be good, if not ill post some,, dude,, jeff is steller! i cant even tell ya... so much fun your wings will flutter!

by **The Fly** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:15 pm

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
The Fly wrote:
LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Aaron wrote:I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.

you need to give a listen to the England boots AMAZING!!!!

Show me where I can find them! I have the Atlanta one and I won't tell you what I think.....

oh , even jeff admits the early ones are bad,, go to the manchester thread,,, the links should still be good, if not ill post some,, dude,, jeff is steller! i cant even tell ya... so much fun your wings will flutter!

I'll check it out thanks!

by AR » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:20 pm

The early shows aren't bad at all. Awesome, and REAL.

There are just a bunch of loons in this fan base that are too critical.

Think Perry in 2006 could match what Jeff did at the start of the tour? If you think so you are fucked in the head.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:22 pm

AR wrote:The early shows aren't bad at all. There are just a bunch of loons in this fan base that are too critical.

Think Perry in 2006 could match what Jeff did at the start of the tour? If you think so you are fucked in the head.

well , maybe bad was a poor choice of words, :lol:

if you really want to hear bad, ill sing Lights for ya... texas accent an all!!

by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:08 pm

Lar,

If I can find a link to any of the Brit shows I'll give them a listen for sure.

Thanks,

Aaron

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Aaron wrote:I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.

you need to give a listen to the England boots AMAZING!!!!

by **Red13JoePa** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:56 pm

AR wrote:The early shows aren't bad at all. Awesome, and REAL.

There are just a bunch of loons in this fan base that are too critical.

Agreed.
Total headspin of the highest order. Jeff Scott Soto admitted of the early boots that he had moments when he struggled but they are far from bad.

by **milly melodic** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:05 am

[quote="Aaron"]
I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.
L8r,

Aaron

Well said Aaron! :wink:

Why is it anyone on here that doesnt think JSS is the bees kness is shot down in flames? We all have our opinions and dont need some cantankerous hot headed moron flying into a rage about it!!

PS Im just wondering what is the average age of the people on this board? I felt like a youngster at the journey gig last week and im 34! I expected to see a lot of guys in their 50's maybe but thought we'd see plenty younger too :oops:

by **wildchildtwisted** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:18 am

Personally, I haven't LOVED Journey since Perry left the band. Augeri could hit the notes, but the soul was not there. Journey just became another melodic rock band with a high tenor singer. But, I am a die-hard Journey fan, so out of respect I still went to shows and bought Arrival, Red13, and Generations. Well, I didn't buy Generations. Now they have Soto and again, I'm not LOVING it like I used to. I don't think I'm going to love Journey as much as I used to, but I can appreciate them trying to move forward into a new era....even if most of the world thinks Journey is just a tribute to themselves these days. I do see a noticeable change in the energy of the band since Soto came in...that's cool to see.

All of this of course is MY opinion....we all have one, like the saying.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:20 am

milly melodic wrote:
Aaron wrote:I'm trying my best to give JSS the benefit of the doubt by reviewing his previous works. But, in my opinion, Journey sucks in their current incarnation. I've heard the boots and seen them live as well.
L8r,

Aaron

Well said Aaron! Why is it anyone on here that doesnt think JSS is the bees kness is shot down in flames? We all have our opinions and dont need some cantankerous hot headed moron flying into a rage about it!!

Who flew into rages?

Some disagree with you but the person who went totally DEFCON 5 in this thread and started challenging Jeff to sing-offs and shit wasn't a current Journey fan.
Sorry, we have to turn your "victim" card down on this one.

by **Matthew** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:55 am

WILDCHILDTWISTED wrote:Personally, I haven't LOVED Journey since Perry left the band. Augeri could hit the notes, but the soul was not there. Journey just became another melodic rock band with a high tenor singer. But, I am a die-hard Journey fan, so out of respect I still went to shows and bought Arrival, Red13, and Generations. Well, I didn't buy Generations. Now they have Soto and again, I'm not LOVING it like I used to. I don't think I'm going to love Journey as much as I used to, but I can appreciate them trying to move forward into a new era....even if most of the world thinks Journey is just a tribute to themselves these days. I do see a noticeable change in the energy of the band since Soto came in...that's cool to see.

My thoughts exactly, WCT.

by **milly melodic** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:59 am

Who flew into rages?

Some disagree with you but the person who went totally DEFCON 5 in this thread and started challenging Jeff to sing-offs and shit wasn't a current Journey fan.
Sorry, we have to turn your "victim" card down on this one.[/quote]

I was referring to "Rockin deano " for one, he is soooo angry all the time, that guy needs to take a powder and calm down! Who is playing the victim card? Just stating we are all entitled to an opinion and shouldnt be met by abuse by other members on the board! :shock:

In my opinion Steve Perry was and is Journey! Ive never heard such a voice, loved him and everything about him. I was unsure of Steve Augeri when he first joined the band, but could see why he was chose, fitted the bill in a big way, nice voice and sang with emotion.

I agree jss has a superb voice but just doesnt do it for me singing journey songs although I thought he did an excellent job when I saw him live with them last wk in manchester.
I would imagine any new journey material will be far different from anything they have done before nothing wrong with this, but It wont be the journey we know and love!

by ******** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:17 am

but It wont be the journey we know and love!

You don't know that....

MR

Where is Steve Augeri and is he better??

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