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Postby *Laura » Wed May 16, 2007 8:08 am

FyreWyngz wrote:
Shania wrote:Where's Fyre?



:D


Hey! How'd I miss this?

"Mouse and Kelley were not involved with that cover. My vision for Frontiers was based on "tunnels" and the relativity of time and motion. Light stays the same, but time bends. It was Einstein theories for artist interpretation. The alien in Frontiers wasn't really an alien at all, he was a connection to a higher level of listening to Journey. We called him "Elmo".

I agree - that's pretentious but you have to love it! Being a pertnetious windbag as myself I find it pretty cool.

Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels that proof of God is in motion and rest. Ecclessiastes echoes this by illustrating that water (among other things) flows about in its circuits back to rest in the ocean from whence it comes. The idea of time and motion is another one of those JOURNEY themes I've always been fascinated with.

One of the cool things about Frontiers to me is the inclusion of the disk or circle. Every JOURNEY cover (except the debut) has a disk, circle, or sphere as either the direct or indirect focal point. Of course, Frontiers has a disk or perhaps more to Jim's description a tunnel that emits from Elmo's forehead - more precisely his "third eye" from which is believed to be the center and place from which psychic power comes.

The disk/tunnel in Elmo's head distorts its shape into nearly that of an alien "Grey" or even an egg. Of course, an egg is the shape of "creation". This is an ancient idea and representation. I've often wondered if the egg shape heads of the Greys came from that same part of the brain that recognizes the egg and "third eye". Perhaps the Greys are from the future and are actually what we're going to eventually evolve into...? Perhaps the Greys are our future and we've simply evolved enough to "see" them - or rather, us.

I doubt all of that but find it intriguing.

There are certain symbols that resonate and have always resonated with the human psyche. It's cool that JOURNEY has been able to employ some of them in their art. It's cool that people have been pretentious enough to plug them in! I don't think anyone can argue that JOURNEY's cover art is intriguing. I always find comments like "The cover for TBF sucks." Basically, I hear this as, "Nothing about the TBF cover resonates with me." I think Frontiers is simple and straight-forward. Many people dislike it as it departs from the beloved scarab however many others like it - I wonder why...? :wink:

Damn! I knew you wouldn't disappoint me,Fyre! Nice work.

Stick a fork in it,this thread is done! :lol:
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Thu May 24, 2007 10:02 pm

Shania wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote:
Shania wrote:Where's Fyre?



:D


Hey! How'd I miss this?

"Mouse and Kelley were not involved with that cover. My vision for Frontiers was based on "tunnels" and the relativity of time and motion. Light stays the same, but time bends. It was Einstein theories for artist interpretation. The alien in Frontiers wasn't really an alien at all, he was a connection to a higher level of listening to Journey. We called him "Elmo".

I agree - that's pretentious but you have to love it! Being a pertnetious windbag as myself I find it pretty cool.

Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels that proof of God is in motion and rest. Ecclessiastes echoes this by illustrating that water (among other things) flows about in its circuits back to rest in the ocean from whence it comes. The idea of time and motion is another one of those JOURNEY themes I've always been fascinated with.

One of the cool things about Frontiers to me is the inclusion of the disk or circle. Every JOURNEY cover (except the debut) has a disk, circle, or sphere as either the direct or indirect focal point. Of course, Frontiers has a disk or perhaps more to Jim's description a tunnel that emits from Elmo's forehead - more precisely his "third eye" from which is believed to be the center and place from which psychic power comes.

The disk/tunnel in Elmo's head distorts its shape into nearly that of an alien "Grey" or even an egg. Of course, an egg is the shape of "creation". This is an ancient idea and representation. I've often wondered if the egg shape heads of the Greys came from that same part of the brain that recognizes the egg and "third eye". Perhaps the Greys are from the future and are actually what we're going to eventually evolve into...? Perhaps the Greys are our future and we've simply evolved enough to "see" them - or rather, us.

I doubt all of that but find it intriguing.

There are certain symbols that resonate and have always resonated with the human psyche. It's cool that JOURNEY has been able to employ some of them in their art. It's cool that people have been pretentious enough to plug them in! I don't think anyone can argue that JOURNEY's cover art is intriguing. I always find comments like "The cover for TBF sucks." Basically, I hear this as, "Nothing about the TBF cover resonates with me." I think Frontiers is simple and straight-forward. Many people dislike it as it departs from the beloved scarab however many others like it - I wonder why...? :wink:

Damn! I knew you wouldn't disappoint me,Fyre! Nice work.

Stick a fork in it,this thread is done! :lol:


:lol:

Either that made sense or it's so insane that it's not worth a response!
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Thu May 24, 2007 10:06 pm

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NealSchonFan53 wrote:I'm almost looking forward to the new album art just as much as the new music!


That's funny. Me too! What's the scarab going to be up to on this one?


Who knows...
I just have 3 wishes:

1. Get Mouse back onboard and let him work his magic.
2. Make sure its better than the generic bullshit that graced Generations.
3. Please don't let it resemble, in any shape or form, WyngDynger's Av :lol:


No way would I ever want the next cover to resemble my Av! Although the concept of the Phoenix was explored by JOURNEY on Dream After Dream. It seems to me that the birds on the cover are in the phoenix motif. Maybe even the Benu bird of Ancient Egypt.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri May 25, 2007 2:26 am

If they stoop to putting stars and red/white/blue stripes on the scarab for the next album cover.....


I just will be embarrased.


We don't need to grasp at straws that bad, do we? And DON'T call it Freedom. Same damn reason.


"Horizons" is the next logical title.
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Postby NealIsGod » Fri May 25, 2007 2:40 am

Red13JoePa wrote:If they stoop to putting stars and red/white/blue stripes on the scarab for the next album cover.....


I just will be embarrased.


We don't need to grasp at straws that bad, do we? And DON'T call it Freedom. Same damn reason.


"Horizons" is the next logical title.


No. R3BORN is.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri May 25, 2007 2:43 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
"Horizons" is the next logical title.


No. R3BORN is.


I reject that, too.

That would mean they were gone and despite changes, they've been existent, in spite of perry's best efforts, since 1996.
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Fri May 25, 2007 3:24 am

Red13JoePa wrote:If they stoop to putting stars and red/white/blue stripes on the scarab for the next album cover.....


I just will be embarrased.


We don't need to grasp at straws that bad, do we? And DON'T call it Freedom. Same damn reason.


"Horizons" is the next logical title.


Excellent points. I'm not big on Horizons, though. Too reminiscent of Frontiers.

How about COSMOS and Neal could do a guitar instrumental called Big Bang?
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Fri May 25, 2007 3:26 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
"Horizons" is the next logical title.


No. R3BORN is.


I reject that, too.

That would mean they were gone and despite changes, they've been existent, in spite of perry's best efforts, since 1996.


The other problem is that the font is entirely ineffective and even ugly. If you want to call it Reborn then use all letters. The 3 is just out of place. It worls for E5C4P3 for the simple fact that there's a balance of numbers and letters.

You know I'm right.
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Postby NealIsGod » Fri May 25, 2007 3:30 am

FyreWyngz wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
"Horizons" is the next logical title.


No. R3BORN is.


I reject that, too.

That would mean they were gone and despite changes, they've been existent, in spite of perry's best efforts, since 1996.


The other problem is that the font is entirely ineffective and even ugly. If you want to call it Reborn then use all letters. The 3 is just out of place. It worls for E5C4P3 for the simple fact that there's a balance of numbers and letters.

You know I'm right.


The "O" is a zero and the Z is a sideways 5. PERFECT balance!
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Postby *Laura » Fri May 25, 2007 3:33 am

Fyre...What happened to you?Lately you seem to be ...well,one with the cosmos. :shock: Dagaz,symbols,bigbang stuff...You reached the Nirvana or something??
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri May 25, 2007 3:36 am

FyreWyngz wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:If they stoop to putting stars and red/white/blue stripes on the scarab for the next album cover.....


I just will be embarrased.


We don't need to grasp at straws that bad, do we? And DON'T call it Freedom. Same damn reason.


"Horizons" is the next logical title.


Excellent points. I'm not big on Horizons, though. Too reminiscent of Frontiers.



No more reminiscent of Frontiers than Infinity, Evolution, Departure, ESC4P3, Arrival and Generations.

Destiny could've been great if they hadn't wasted that bullet on a GD (obscure) song title already.
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Postby belar » Fri May 25, 2007 3:45 am

Why not mess with everyone's minds a little and call the album Soul Sirkus? :twisted:
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Fri May 25, 2007 4:11 am

Shania wrote:Fyre...What happened to you?Lately you seem to be ...well,one with the cosmos. :shock: Dagaz,symbols,bigbang stuff...You reached the Nirvana or something??


The kingdom of God is spread upon the Earth but men do not see it. :wink:

The garden of Eden isn't a geographical location. It's right where you stand - if you stand in the spirit.

Where do I come up with this crap?
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Fri May 25, 2007 4:15 am

NealIsGod wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
"Horizons" is the next logical title.


No. R3BORN is.


I reject that, too.

That would mean they were gone and despite changes, they've been existent, in spite of perry's best efforts, since 1996.


The other problem is that the font is entirely ineffective and even ugly. If you want to call it Reborn then use all letters. The 3 is just out of place. It worls for E5C4P3 for the simple fact that there's a balance of numbers and letters.

You know I'm right.


The "O" is a zero and the Z is a sideways 5. PERFECT balance!


:lol: Too deep even for me!

You like my idea of COSMOS and Big Bang - admit it!

Next to a Latin rhythm project I'd love nothing more than to hear JOURNEY jam some guitar instrumentals again. I miss that stuff. I miss the whole cosmic aura that they used to have.

Isn't Spaceman a great song. A great (but loud) guitar solo and some really wild lyrics. Enough of all of these made-for-the-senior prom and adult contemporary gag ballads. get back into the groove!
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Postby Shadowsong » Fri May 25, 2007 2:58 pm

Man has come out in the dark of night
& raised his eyes up to the heavens
wondering what is this place we call life.

Is the journey one that will reach out forever crossing the heavens weaving the hands of time
or is it finite within a mind that can never hope to reach from the constraints of his skin sublime....

Nice work Frye!
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Sat May 26, 2007 9:35 am

Shadowsong wrote:Man has come out in the dark of night
& raised his eyes up to the heavens
wondering what is this place we call life.

Is the journey one that will reach out forever crossing the heavens weaving the hands of time
or is it finite within a mind that can never hope to reach from the constraints of his skin sublime....

Nice work Frye!


Cosmic lyrics! I can hear JSS recite those as an intro to some burning guitar instrumental called In The Spirit.

Let's see. We've got the next album title of COSMOS and two guitar-oriented instrumentals. What a cool concept album. You start it off with Big Bang and you burn from there.

Too bad we're such weirdos that none of this will ever be taken seriously!
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