Journey's Legacy

[Matthew]

It's funny - many people here have consistently justified this "same direction" for years and have often mocked the fans who have criticized Journey for pursuing that direction. Now - literally overnight- it's this big problem and drama.

Leaving aside the issue of the lack of class in the way they dealt with JSS...isn't Jonathan Cain simply saying the band are returning to the mentality of the Augeri era? A mentality that has been fearlessly and stoutly defended on this board in the years leading up to Tapegate?

Matt, pick that argument with someone else, I've been bitching about Journey not taking their music in a new direction (with a few exceptions) since 2001 and publicly ever since I've been on this site. Yeah, I was an Augeri fan, liked what they recorded for the most part, but was still frustrated that they weren't more experimental, progressive, and harder rocking. And yes, they could have taken the music somewhere new while still sounding like Journey and even with a singer as similar to Perry as was Augeri. You only surfaced around tapegate time but I've made these statements in more recent threads you were involved in, I think even to you directly.

Okay NMT. Fair enough. I must have interpreted your Loon baiting as a justification of the strategy Journey are just returning to....if that makes any sense.

[Matthew]

Yeah. I wonder what changed since December?

Neal's impending divorce, maybe??? Perhaps he had to scrap the idea of taking a chance in the studio with Jeff in lieu of getting his ass back on the road because he has to pay his soon-to-be ex-wife. How pathetic.

Ever wonder if Neal and, especially, Friga-Fuck, were growing
increasingly uncomfortable with Jeff's growing fanbase in places like this
and his habit of actually communicating with his friends and fans???

I honestly wonder if some of Jeff's friendships here and the
way things have transpired within the entire fanbase
betwen here and BT played any part into their sudden
distaste with Jeff, the man, not the performer...

CH - might it be possible that Cain and Schon had high hopes for the JSS line up too - but got knocked back by the indifference of the record labels and lost confidence?

[donnaplease]

Ever wonder if Neal and, especially, Friga-Fuck, were growing
increasingly uncomfortable with Jeff's growing fanbase in places like this
and his habit of actually communicating with his friends and fans???

I honestly wonder if some of Jeff's friendships here and the
way things have transpired within the entire fanbase
betwen here and BT played any part into their sudden
distaste with Jeff, the man, not the performer...

Carlitto,
I think you hit the nail squarely on the head with this one. Combine this with the fact that people (me included) were traveling all over the country to see these guys SINCE JEFF JOINED. Apparently they've forgotten that it IS the lead singer who garners the most attention, that's why they call him the "frontman".

They should have embraced this connection with the fans, not thrown it away. F*cking idiots!

[nikki]

Still say they should've at least recorded one album with Jeff to get a true sense of how the band sounded with him and to gauge fan reaction. They didn't even give him a chance. Just a shitty decision all around.

[Matthew]

Still say they should've at least recorded one album with Jeff to get a true sense of how the band sounded with him and to gauge fan reaction. They didn't even give him a chance. Just a shitty decision all around.

I agree - even if it meant doing what Marillion do and what Ash are about to do - which is sell new recordings direct to the fans. They could still have toured the old chestnuts in the meantime.

[infinityplusone]

Even if there was only one good song on a Soto-fronted album, it'd be better than anything off of Generations. Or Arrival, and even TBF for that matter.

And I'm not buying this "they have to make a living" argument. Come on! They're all millionaires many times over. Unless they really are greedier than anyone can imagine. Just one album with Soto. Then, if fans didn't like it, if it didn't bring in new people.. etc.. (no I was never blindly optimistic about it ever cracking the Billboard charts, that's not realistic, nor the point). Just something to invigorate them!

Now that's not gonna happen and we can look forward to "Puppet Show/Journey"

[Eric]

If this had been the decision in December I would have said fine...grudgingly...but now it is just ridiculous.

Schon/Soto/Castronovo should be the core. Find a new bass player (Jack Blades) and let Soto play keys when necessary.

I want new music. If there is not new music...I'll find a new band to follow.

I refuse to support a jukebox on stage. I have defended them as not being that for a decade.

Fucking Cain is happy re-releasing Faithfully. WHAT BS! Let him and Perry live in the past for Christ Sakes. They can get together and protect the legacy. I want a band increasing the legacy.

Find some guys WHO WANT TO WORK....and move on

[belar]

"We wish Jeff the best of luck," Cain said.

Fuck him. If they really did wish Jeff the best, they wouldn't have handled this like they did. I wonder if Rolie is available...

[donnaplease]

If this had been the decision in December I would have said fine...grudgingly...but now it is just ridiculous.

Schon/Soto/Castronovo should be the core. Find a new bass player (Jack Blades) and let Soto play keys when necessary.

I want new music. If there is not new music...I'll find a new band to follow.

I refuse to support a jukebox on stage. I have defended them as not being that for a decade.

Fucking Cain is happy re-releasing Faithfully. WHAT BS! Let him and Perry live in the past for Christ Sakes. They can get together and protect the legacy. I want a band increasing the legacy.

Find some guys WHO WANT TO WORK....and move on

OK, here's what I think:
Friga and Fro have lost it. Friga is too old to create the kind of magic that he once did. The brainwaves change with age and experiences. THAT'S why he's so proud of the new Faithfully. I thought it was crap and an embarrassment to the original. And their last 2 efforts were not killer hits either. So, with Jeff, a younger, more IN TOUCH kinda guy, they got jealous/scared/________. They decided it wasn't worth it to take a chance on another failure (comparitively speaking), so they threw JSS under the bus to find someone "who sounds like the records". If that's the direction they are seeking, I think there could be no better man for the job than Jeremey, and I will continue to support Jeremey.

Let's face it guys, we will NEVER hear new music from Journey again.

[NealIsGod]

Let's face it guys, we will NEVER hear new music from Journey again.

Yeah, I think that's true, too.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Let's face it guys, we will NEVER hear new music from Journey again.

Yeah, I think that's true, too.

wow.. true,, so it ends with perry on guff..? .. and the live
version of the "virginia song?"

[Perrylover]

OK, here's what I think:
Friga and Fro have lost it. Friga is too old to create the kind of magic that he once did. The brainwaves change with age and experiences. THAT'S why he's so proud of the new Faithfully. I thought it was crap and an embarrassment to the original. And their last 2 efforts were not killer hits either. So, with Jeff, a younger, more IN TOUCH kinda guy, they got jealous/scared/________. They decided it wasn't worth it to take a chance on another failure (comparitively speaking), so they threw JSS under the bus to find someone "who sounds like the records". If that's the direction they are seeking, I think there could be no better man for the job than Jeremey, and I will continue to support Jeremey.

Let's face it guys, we will NEVER hear new music from Journey again.

Jeremey is younger than Jeff, and is very saavy(sp) in regards to the music world, as well as a good writer. Just because he hasn't been stumbled on by the right "big shot" yet doesn't mean he doesn't have what it takes to make good new music with Journey or anyone else. I just don't understand why everone thinks that if Jeremey is indeed selected as a new frontman for Journey that it will mean they are stagnant. He can obviously cover the past with no problems and can offer them a way to go forward with the same sound of Journey that everyone expects. Please don't discount what Jeremey could bring to the table before he even gets a chance to find out.

Deb

[NealIsGod]

Let's face it guys, we will NEVER hear new music from Journey again.

Yeah, I think that's true, too.

wow.. true,, so it ends with perry on guff..? .. and the live
version of the "virginia song?"

Ugh. Let's hope not, Lar.

[journeyrock]

"We just wanted to move in a different direction sonically. We're interested in our legacy right now. We want to sound like our records and we want to sound like the 65 million units that are out there."

Um. What? Wanted to move in a different direction "sonically"? (who talks like that?)

ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO WITH JEFF?

"We want to sound like our records" and "sound like the 65 million units that are out there"... wtf does THAT mean?
If THAT'S the sound you want, call Perry and offer him a b.j. or whatever you need to do to get him back. First it's wanting to go in a different direction and in the same statement, wanting to sound like the records that are out there.

Boy he just loooves to hear himself talk, huh?

AMEN!!!!!! I couldn't have said it better, bluejean.

[donnaplease]

OK, here's what I think:
Friga and Fro have lost it. Friga is too old to create the kind of magic that he once did. The brainwaves change with age and experiences. THAT'S why he's so proud of the new Faithfully. I thought it was crap and an embarrassment to the original. And their last 2 efforts were not killer hits either. So, with Jeff, a younger, more IN TOUCH kinda guy, they got jealous/scared/________. They decided it wasn't worth it to take a chance on another failure (comparitively speaking), so they threw JSS under the bus to find someone "who sounds like the records". If that's the direction they are seeking, I think there could be no better man for the job than Jeremey, and I will continue to support Jeremey.

Let's face it guys, we will NEVER hear new music from Journey again.

Jeremey is younger than Jeff, and is very saavy(sp) in regards to the music world, as well as a good writer. Just because he hasn't been stumbled on by the right "big shot" yet doesn't mean he doesn't have what it takes to make good new music with Journey or anyone else. I just don't understand why everone thinks that if Jeremey is indeed selected as a new frontman for Journey that it will mean they are stagnant. He can obviously cover the past with no problems and can offer them a way to go forward with the same sound of Journey that everyone expects. Please don't discount what Jeremey could bring to the table before he even gets a chance to find out.

Deb

Those are not my words, they are the words of Jonathon Cain. I love Jeremey, and he knows it. I've seen Frontiers several times and know very well what he is capable of if given the chance.

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories ... 6192.shtml
Someone posted this earlier. Take a read. JC let us all know what direction they're heading.

"We want to sound like our records and we want to sound like the 65 million units that are out there."