DO YOU ALL REALIZE????

[conversationpc]

Do you all realize that there was a reason that Steve Perry and Steve Perry ALONE was the VOICE of Journey on the albums Infinity - Trial By Fire.

Do you all realize that Journey pretty much sucked before Steve Perry, and they have pretty much sucked after Steve Perry left. ( Although they copy well at times)

Do you all realize that if Journey now sold 10,212 seats to a show in California then you added all the diehards from here and BT the attendence might reach 10,400.


Do you all realize that if two stages were two miles apart at the same location and Steve Perry and his Journey Session Band was playing on Stage 1 and Neal, Jonathan, Ross and the Boyz were playing Stage 2 at the same time It would be a safe bet 90% of a Journey loving auidence would be packed into the Stage 1 area.

Do you all realize that 95% of music lovers could give a rats ass who is playing Guitar or Keyboards.



The guitar is for show, The voice for dough!!!!!

Have a NICE day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Someone called?

[yogi]

ABSOLUTE 100% TRUE story I swear.

My best friend who I went to college with is a police officer in Waco. Groomsman in my wedding. Back in 2000 or whenever (2001) he drove his entire family( 3 + hour drive) and met me and my family to attend a Styx concert in San Antonio( Verizon Theatre w/ Bad Company).

A year or two later he was in San Antonio taking some sort of Police Training course. Journey was doing their Raised On Rodeo tour at the Alamo Dome. I called and told him I would drive up and meet him there for the show. He is a HUGE Journey fan. Owns most of their albums, etc... We had seen them together TWICE at Reunion Areana in Dallas in college. His question was is Steve Perry back?? He knew the answer was no. He would NOT go. I told him I had seen them with Steve Augeri back in 1998/w Foreigner and it was a GREAT show.

He WASNT interested in the least. Didnt want to see a cover band were his EXACT words.

The night Journey played in San Antonio he drove west 80 miles and ate dinner at my house.

The difference in the bands is that Styx still has two of their singers.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Journey was doing their Raised On Rodeo tour at the Alamo Dome.

Yee Haw!

That's funny.

[Tomulator]

All I am saying is NONE of us really matter in the anals of Journey.

for the life of me, I do apologize for this ..... I am truly sorry ........ I have never played the grammar police before - and usually think it is rude.

HOWEVER, it is not the anals (buttholes) of Journey

it is the annals of Journey

annals
One entry found for annals.


Main Entry: an·nals
Pronunciation: 'a-n&lz
Function: noun plural
Etymology: Latin annales, from plural of annalis yearly -- more at ANNUAL
1 : a record of events arranged in yearly sequence
2 : historical records : CHRONICLES
3 : records of the activities of an organization

altho I realize for some, "anals" is what they are and where they are ......... and I highly suggest those people stay there.

Cat

EXCELLENT retort!

[separate_wayz]

ABSOLUTE 100% TRUE story I swear.

My best friend who I went to college with is a police officer in Waco. Groomsman in my wedding. Back in 2000 or whenever (2001) he drove his entire family( 3 + hour drive) and met me and my family to attend a Styx concert in San Antonio( Verizon Theatre w/ Bad Company).

A year or two later he was in San Antonio taking some sort of Police Training course. Journey was doing their Raised On Rodeo tour at the Alamo Dome. I called and told him I would drive up and meet him there for the show. He is a HUGE Journey fan. Owns most of their albums, etc... We had seen them together TWICE at Reunion Areana in Dallas in college. His question was is Steve Perry back?? He knew the answer was no. He would NOT go. I told him I had seen them with Steve Augeri back in 1998/w Foreigner and it was a GREAT show.

He WASNT interested in the least. Didnt want to see a cover band were his EXACT words.

The night Journey played in San Antonio he drove west 80 miles and ate dinner at my house.

The difference in the bands is that Styx still has two of their singers.

Wow .... that was some build-up just to hear: "I had a friend .... He didn't want to see Journey."

Here's mine. I have two friends, both Journey and Steve Perry fans. They saw Steve Perry do his solo tour in the '90s. They were both embarrassed. Small venues, mediocre vocals -- they basically concluded that he had lost it.

[RossValoryRocks]

Do you all realize that there was a reason that Steve Perry and Steve Perry ALONE was the VOICE of Journey on the albums Infinity - Trial By Fire.

Do you all realize that Journey pretty much sucked before Steve Perry, and they have pretty much sucked after Steve Perry left. ( Although they copy well at times)

Do you all realize that if Journey now sold 10,212 seats to a show in California then you added all the diehards from here and BT the attendence might reach 10,400.


Do you all realize that if two stages were two miles apart at the same location and Steve Perry and his Journey Session Band was playing on Stage 1 and Neal, Jonathan, Ross and the Boyz were playing Stage 2 at the same time It would be a safe bet 90% of a Journey loving auidence would be packed into the Stage 1 area.

Do you all realize that 95% of music lovers could give a rats ass who is playing Guitar or Keyboards.



The guitar is for show, The voice for dough!!!!!

Have a NICE day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you realize that if Steve Perry could still SING a full tour...or hell...even a FULL Journey material Show...that HE WOULD?

I don't disagree with anything you have said...but the SP Ship sailed 10 years ago...he can't do it vocally anymore for the duration of a show, much less a whole tour. Age has a way of catching up with you.

[m]

I have two friends, both Journey and Steve Perry fans. They saw Steve Perry do his solo tour in the '90s. They were both embarrassed. Small venues, mediocre vocals -- they basically concluded that he had lost it.

I don't know which show they went to, but the few I saw were great. His voice was excellent! And the acoustics in the smaller venues were amazing (much better than in the arenas I'd seen him in before).



I have some boots somewhere...

[X factor]

ABSOLUTE 100% TRUE story I swear.

My best friend who I went to college with is a police officer in Waco. Groomsman in my wedding. Back in 2000 or whenever (2001) he drove his entire family( 3 + hour drive) and met me and my family to attend a Styx concert in San Antonio( Verizon Theatre w/ Bad Company).

A year or two later he was in San Antonio taking some sort of Police Training course. Journey was doing their Raised On Rodeo tour at the Alamo Dome. I called and told him I would drive up and meet him there for the show. He is a HUGE Journey fan. Owns most of their albums, etc... We had seen them together TWICE at Reunion Areana in Dallas in college. His question was is Steve Perry back?? He knew the answer was no. He would NOT go. I told him I had seen them with Steve Augeri back in 1998/w Foreigner and it was a GREAT show.

He WASNT interested in the least. Didnt want to see a cover band were his EXACT words.

The night Journey played in San Antonio he drove west 80 miles and ate dinner at my house.

The difference in the bands is that Styx still has two of their singers.

Excellent point...whenever I have spoken of Journey in the last few years, my wife refers to them as a "cover band" as well...


...and btw- I think in light of recent events "anuls" is a good choice of words!

[squirt1]

Look- If your going to plop down bucks for a concert, make sure the lead singer is there. You know, the one that wrote and sang the hits. Therefore, Journey was history until Jeff. He was a real writer, musician and performer. What has Journey ever accomplished since Perry ???? They decided to blow themselves up bigtime before the 4 th of July.
Styx, What did they do w/o Dennis???? Foreigner, the same thing post Lou Gramm. Now, why would I want to pay $$$$ . The above singers were great writers and their input is missed. Believe me,the music industry knows who they will sink money in to promote. BonJovi and Def Lepard stay relevant because of Jon and Joe Elliott. Journey has diluted themselves for for their last hurrah.

[separate_wayz]

ABSOLUTE 100% TRUE story I swear.

My best friend who I went to college with is a police officer in Waco. Groomsman in my wedding. Back in 2000 or whenever (2001) he drove his entire family( 3 + hour drive) and met me and my family to attend a Styx concert in San Antonio( Verizon Theatre w/ Bad Company).

A year or two later he was in San Antonio taking some sort of Police Training course. Journey was doing their Raised On Rodeo tour at the Alamo Dome. I called and told him I would drive up and meet him there for the show. He is a HUGE Journey fan. Owns most of their albums, etc... We had seen them together TWICE at Reunion Areana in Dallas in college. His question was is Steve Perry back?? He knew the answer was no. He would NOT go. I told him I had seen them with Steve Augeri back in 1998/w Foreigner and it was a GREAT show.

He WASNT interested in the least. Didnt want to see a cover band were his EXACT words.

The night Journey played in San Antonio he drove west 80 miles and ate dinner at my house.

The difference in the bands is that Styx still has two of their singers.

Excellent point...whenever I have spoken of Journey in the last few years, my wife refers to them as a "cover band" as well...


...and btw- I think in light of recent events "anuls" is a good choice of words!

Question: is Journey of ROR a cover band? I mean, you had three core members (Perry/Schon/Cain) and basically two short-stint studio musicians (Randy Jackson and Larry Londin, with another hired-hand -- Mike Baird -- touring).

Fast forward to 1998-2006. You had three core members (Schon/Cain/Valory) and two (by 2006) long-serving replacements (Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo).

I'm not sure you can call one a "cover band" without calling the other one a cover band.

[ProgRocker53]

Journey was much better before Steve Perry and was only good, but not great, after Steve Perry.

[SteveForever]

Journey was much better before Steve Perry and was only good, but not great, after Steve Perry.

you will be punished....

[whocares]

ABSOLUTE 100% TRUE story I swear.

My best friend who I went to college with is a police officer in Waco. Groomsman in my wedding. Back in 2000 or whenever (2001) he drove his entire family( 3 + hour drive) and met me and my family to attend a Styx concert in San Antonio( Verizon Theatre w/ Bad Company).

A year or two later he was in San Antonio taking some sort of Police Training course. Journey was doing their Raised On Rodeo tour at the Alamo Dome. I called and told him I would drive up and meet him there for the show. He is a HUGE Journey fan. Owns most of their albums, etc... We had seen them together TWICE at Reunion Areana in Dallas in college. His question was is Steve Perry back?? He knew the answer was no. He would NOT go. I told him I had seen them with Steve Augeri back in 1998/w Foreigner and it was a GREAT show.

He WASNT interested in the least. Didnt want to see a cover band were his EXACT words.

The night Journey played in San Antonio he drove west 80 miles and ate dinner at my house.

The difference in the bands is that Styx still has two of their singers.

holy shit! I read that wrong. I thought is said raised on RADIO tour. i thought I was hallucinating about seeing that tour in '86.

[yogi]

Another TRUE story. After Dennis Deyoung was booted from Styx in 1999 he was interviewed on a web site called Styx Collector.com. One of the analogies he gave was this about the hiring of Lawerence Gowan to replace him. It went something like this:

Interviewer: Have you heard Lawerence Gowan??

DDY: Yes I have. he is a tremendous talent. But let me ask you this question, Have you heard Rod Stewart, & Steven Tyler sing?

Interviewer: Yes I have heard them both.

DDY: They are both excellent singers correct?

Interviewer: Yes they are.

DDY If Aerosmith decided to change lead singers and replaced Steven Tyler with Rod Stewart would they still be Aerosmith?

Dennis made an excellent point!!!

Once Steve Perry(Journey's ONLY voice) was replaced, they became NOTHING more than a VERY VERY good cover band.

Styx on the other hand is still Styx. Two of their voices still remain. They are just not as good as they once were.

[Moon Beam]

Do you have a dead horse in your backyard that you go out
and beat before you come and post here Yogi or do you save it all for us?

[donnaplease]

Do you realize that if Steve Perry could still SING a full tour...or hell...even a FULL Journey material Show...that HE WOULD?

I don't disagree with anything you have said...but the SP Ship sailed 10 years ago...he can't do it vocally anymore for the duration of a show, much less a whole tour. Age has a way of catching up with you.

How about age...and abuse? I've seen those tour schedules from the 80's. Like I and many others have said before~Neal, Ross, Jon and Steve could all just go right out to the nearest music store (or wherever) and pick out a shiny new instrument when theirs wore out. SP didn't have that luxury. So it's really easy for those who want to blame SP for 'bailing' on the band to say "oh, he can't sing" or "he sounds like shit". When in reality the entire band (not just SP) and especially HH should have considered the long haul when scheduling those grueling tours. I guess I understand why they didn't though, cause you never know what the future may bring.

I wonder...how many new guitars has Neal bought over the past 30 years????

[NealIsGod]

Do you realize that if Steve Perry could still SING a full tour...or hell...even a FULL Journey material Show...that HE WOULD?

I don't disagree with anything you have said...but the SP Ship sailed 10 years ago...he can't do it vocally anymore for the duration of a show, much less a whole tour. Age has a way of catching up with you.

How about age...and abuse? I've seen those tour schedules from the 80's. Like I and many others have said before~Neal, Ross, Jon and Steve could all just go right out to the nearest music store (or wherever) and pick out a shiny new instrument when theirs wore out. SP didn't have that luxury. So it's really easy for those who want to blame SP for 'bailing' on the band to say "oh, he can't sing" or "he sounds like shit". When in reality the entire band (not just SP) and especially HH should have considered the long haul when scheduling those grueling tours. I guess I understand why they didn't though, cause you never know what the future may bring.

I wonder...how many new guitars has Neal bought over the past 30 years????

I think we're all in agreement that the Herbie Herbert-inspired relentless touring schedule contributed to Perry's vocal problems. Remember his quote, "You gotta make hay while the sun shines." He wanted the guys to tour and record as much as possible while they were popular and make smart investments so they would not have to be touring in their 40's and 50's.

[Matthew]

Question: is Journey of ROR a cover band? I mean, you had three core members (Perry/Schon/Cain) and basically two short-stint studio musicians (Randy Jackson and Larry Londin, with another hired-hand -- Mike Baird -- touring).

Fast forward to 1998-2006. You had three core members (Schon/Cain/Valory) and two (by 2006) long-serving replacements (Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo).

I'm not sure you can call one a "cover band" without calling the other one a cover band.

Wow...it's been a while since I heard these trusty old barrel-scraping justifications of the Augeri years.

Sure...your numbers add up...but please don't make us explain to you why the vocalist is more important than the bass-guitarist when it comes to the sound, identity and success of Journey.

[NealIsGod]

Question: is Journey of ROR a cover band? I mean, you had three core members (Perry/Schon/Cain) and basically two short-stint studio musicians (Randy Jackson and Larry Londin, with another hired-hand -- Mike Baird -- touring).

Fast forward to 1998-2006. You had three core members (Schon/Cain/Valory) and two (by 2006) long-serving replacements (Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo).

I'm not sure you can call one a "cover band" without calling the other one a cover band.

Wow...it's been a while since I heard these trusty old barrel-scraping justifications of the Augeri years.

Sure...your numbers add up...but please don't make us explain to you why the vocalist is more important than the bass-guitarist when it comes to the sound, identity and success of Journey.

I think what separate_wayz fails to understand is that, in a Loon's mind, the singer IS the band. They would be just as happy watching Perry tour solo with a bunch of session musicians as they would if he toured with Journey again. When he is onstage, they don't even LOOK at anyone else but Perry.

[Matthew]

Question: is Journey of ROR a cover band? I mean, you had three core members (Perry/Schon/Cain) and basically two short-stint studio musicians (Randy Jackson and Larry Londin, with another hired-hand -- Mike Baird -- touring).

Fast forward to 1998-2006. You had three core members (Schon/Cain/Valory) and two (by 2006) long-serving replacements (Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo).

I'm not sure you can call one a "cover band" without calling the other one a cover band.

Wow...it's been a while since I heard these trusty old barrel-scraping justifications of the Augeri years.

Sure...your numbers add up...but please don't make us explain to you why the vocalist is more important than the bass-guitarist when it comes to the sound, identity and success of Journey.

I think what separate_wayz fails to understand is that, in a Loon's mind, the singer IS the band. They would be just as happy watching Perry tour solo with a bunch of session musicians as they would if he toured with Journey again. When he is onstage, they don't even LOOK at anyone else but Perry.

And you'd be happy if Journey toured without Neal Schon? And you'd agree if people argued he was just as significant as the bass-player?

Come on...not even Ross Valory's mum would believe this crap....

[NealIsGod]

I think what separate_wayz fails to understand is that, in a Loon's mind, the singer IS the band. They would be just as happy watching Perry tour solo with a bunch of session musicians as they would if he toured with Journey again. When he is onstage, they don't even LOOK at anyone else but Perry.

And you'd be happy if Journey toured without Neal Schon? And you'd agree if people argued he was just as significant as the bass-player?

Come on...not even Ross Valory's mum would believe this crap....

Well, Neal is the only member who has been there for every recording and every show since the beginning. So he is the main man in Journey.

BUT if Neal left and they were somehow still touring and recording as Journey, I would give it a chance. I can't close my mind to new things. I sure wouldn't start a crusade trying to get people to hate the band cuz my favorite member left, as many Loons seem to be doing (not you, Matt).

[conversationpc]

Arguing about whether a certain band is still that same band with or without a certain member is pointless because it is all subjective. It's all opinion and no one will ever be right one way or the other. Deal with it.

[yogi]

I think the term Perry loons is IN- correct.

After being here for a while and seeing the direction that Neal has taken this ONCE great band, then the extent that MOST of you go to defend all these CRAZY moves the term should be:


JOURNEY LOONS!!!!!

[NealIsGod]

I think the term Perry loons is IN- correct.

After being here for a while and seeing the direction that Neal has taken this ONCE great band, then the extent that MOST of you go to defend all these CRAZY moves the term should be:


JOURNEY LOONS!!!!!

Who is defending them?

[conversationpc]

I think the term Perry loons is IN- correct.

After being here for a while and seeing the direction that Neal has taken this ONCE great band, then the extent that MOST of you go to defend all these CRAZY moves the term should be:


JOURNEY LOONS!!!!!

Would you please point out ANYONE here who denies that Neal and/or Jon have made lots of crazy moves???

[Matthew]

Arguing about whether a certain band is still that same band with or without a certain member is pointless because it is all subjective. It's all opinion and no one will ever be right one way or the other. Deal with it.

If we followed that advice Dave the messageboard would grind to a halt....

[yogi]

I guess that we ALL can go around, and around forever on some of these topics. The funny thing is , is that we are all here because we love the band Journey.

I guess we all should just agree to disagree.


Tonight, my wife and I are going out with another couple. At 7 pm I will raise my Coor Light and give a toast to Journey, and bands like Journey( which includes the current band that has been on the road calling themselves Journey since 1998).

[NealIsGod]

I guess that we ALL can go around, and around forever on some of these topics. The funny thing is , is that we are all here because we love the band Journey.

I guess we all should just agree to disagree.


Tonight, my wife and I are going out with another couple. At 7 pm I will raise my Coor Light and give a toast to Journey, and bands like Journey( which includes the current band that has been on the road calling themselves Journey since 1998).

Don't forget to toast Sammy.

[conversationpc]

Arguing about whether a certain band is still that same band with or without a certain member is pointless because it is all subjective. It's all opinion and no one will ever be right one way or the other. Deal with it.

If we followed that advice Dave the messageboard would grind to a halt....

Maybe so but it's true.

[yogi]

I will Neal.

His current 60 venue tour will end just in time for him to record & tour with his new band in late fall!!!