do you listen to the first three journey albums much?

[Lady Luck]

GEORGE TICKNER FOR PRESIDENT.

at that Star ceremony Tickner looked like Wilford Brimley..
OMGoodness,, look at this pic,, perry and augeri are both looking away,,
bet that means something,,

Well...Perry's saying "Who the fuck is this guy fuckin' with MY legacy" and Augeri's sayin' "Who the fuck is this guy fuckin' with my legacy which just happens to be Perry's legacy". That's what I got out of it anyway.

What's up with Ross and the puckered lips? Looks like he's getting ready to smooch.

[rdekker]

I got to know the first three albums when a dutch tv channel playedIn The Beginning in between some speed skating championships in the beginning of the 80's, I bought the album and soon after bought the 3 originals, they are just great. Look Into The Future is one of my favourite Journey songs ever.

[NoMoreTails]

the Charge of the Light Brigade unrealeased album...

What is this?

It's a bootleg. Try Guitars101.com. You MIGHT find it there.

Thanks. So a live boot leg rather than a planned album that wasn't released I assume.

[belar]

the Charge of the Light Brigade unrealeased album...

What is this?

It's a bootleg. Try Guitars101.com. You MIGHT find it there.

Thanks. So a live boot leg rather than a planned album that wasn't released I assume.

Actually, only part of it is live. Four tracks, if I remember right, which were taken from the 1/1/1973 performance. The rest are demos, some of songs that were eventually released, some not. I have it at home. If I remember tonight, I'll post the tracklist.

[squirt1]

Those 1st albums show that Herbie was right. You need a frontman.

[Rick]

Of a Lifetime from the 1st album is great, and Nickel and Dime from Next, you know, the song that Rush ripped off, is excellent.

[Aaron]

I have them all and ... no I don't.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Those 1st albums show that Herbie was right. You need a frontman.

Yes - IF you want to "make it". You have to remember that JOURNEY began as The Golden Gate Rhythm Section with the intention of being a solid INSTRUMENTAL band. I don't think they had any delusions about being radio favorites or racing up Billboard charts. Perry was brought in to do that because that's what Columbia pressed HH to do!

Not to slam on you at all - I'm just tired of the idea that giant record sales = great music. It's an injustice to the great music that's out there but doesn't have mass appeal or super marketability.

Perry helped make JOURNEY radio-friendly but that in no way diminishes JOURNEY's work prior to him. Gregg Rolie sings his heart out on those albums. LITF is a particularly soulful and moving song - just as soulful as anything Perry's ever done. Of course Gregg doesn't soar like Perry but he soared in other ways

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I have them all and ... no I don't.

Turn in your membership and go skip rope somewhere.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

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Without Gregg Rolie this photo is incomplete and an absolute shame. It's too bad he couldn't/wouldn't show for the event.

[Aaron]

Fuck off dude! Sorry but the first three do not turn my crank. Perry's vocals were the magical element that took that band from good to FUCKING AWESOME for a time.

I have them all and ... no I don't.

Turn in your membership and go skip rope somewhere.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fuck off dude! Sorry but the first three do not turn my crank. Perry's vocals were the magical element that took that band from good to FUCKING AWESOME for a time.

I have them all and ... no I don't.

Turn in your membership and go skip rope somewhere.

The intention of that music isn't to turn anyone's crank so it's a little unfair to impose that upon it. It's intention is to speak to and move the spirit. That was Gregg's influence.

It's "deep" music. If you're listening with a shallow ear then yeah - I can see why it doesn't turn your crank!

[ProgRocker53]

The first three Journey albums are amazing. Pre-Perry is my favorite era of the band and I listen to the debut album once a day, usually.

The song "Look into the Future" in its own gives Journey so much progressive rock credibility it's ridiculous.

[squirt1]

John -Ohio too,I see. It s fine to like the early albums, but the music industry said no. Herbie got them the VOICE OF THE CENTURY and the rest is musical history as in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ To this day the question is was it Perry or Mercury and it will never be answered.

[Moose]

I have the first three on an IPOD playlist, and once in a while, I actually listen to them sometimes. Usually, when I am mowing the lawn or vacuuming the pool. Otherwise, those tunes are utterly forgettable!

[Aaron]

You are an arrogant prick. Your post is your opinion. I may not be a musical genius but I play a few instruments, can sing ok and understand some music theory. Do you? Art is in the eye of the beholder and I don't give a fuck about your eye. Go dig your "deep" shit own your own plonker boy.

Fuck off dude! Sorry but the first three do not turn my crank. Perry's vocals were the magical element that took that band from good to FUCKING AWESOME for a time.

I have them all and ... no I don't.

Turn in your membership and go skip rope somewhere.

The intention of that music isn't to turn anyone's crank so it's a little unfair to impose that upon it. It's intention is to speak to and move the spirit. That was Gregg's influence.

It's "deep" music. If you're listening with a shallow ear then yeah - I can see why it doesn't turn your crank!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

You are an arrogant prick. Your post is your opinion. I may not be a musical genius but I play a few instruments, can sing ok and understand some music theory. Do you? Art is in the eye of the beholder and I don't give a fuck about your eye. Go dig your "deep" shit own your own plonker boy.

Is being an "arrogant prick" opinion or fact? I mean - it's YOUR OPINION. So why is your opinion more valid than mine?

Who exactly is being the arrogant prick?

I agree about your art comment. As an artist I can see/hear/experience the depths of JOURNEY's first 3 albums. I can also appreciate the little scriblings that my children make with crayons. I can appreciate these things because I understand that the responsibility of art is to echo human experiences - shallow and deep.

If it doesn't echo YOUR experience (turn your crank) then you shut it off. Talk about arrogance.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

I love the debut and there are several tracks that I play quite a bit: Of a Lifetime, Kahoutek, In the Morning Day, and To Play Some Music. My favorite, however, is "Topaz". Love that track.

Both "Look Into the Future" and "Next" are good but the debut is easily better, in my opinion.

exactly. Nickel and Dime is good and Karma--I love it!! gritty!

the debut is definitely the best. yes, I listen to them. ROR never. (Still love me Dan?)

[ArnelRox]

Without Gregg Rolie this photo is incomplete and an absolute shame. It's too bad he couldn't/wouldn't show for the event.

That was a misunderstand from what I've heard. It had to do w/the way invitations were sent out & it didn't come across that he was actually invited to be a part of it. Don't blame Gregg for this.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Without Gregg Rolie this photo is incomplete and an absolute shame. It's too bad he couldn't/wouldn't show for the event.

That was a misunderstand from what I've heard. It had to do w/the way invitations were sent out & it didn't come across that he was actually invited to be a part of it. Don't blame Gregg for this.

That's why I said "couldn't/wouldn't" - it was never clear as to why.

[Deb]

Fuck off dude! Sorry but the first three do not turn my crank. Perry's vocals were the magical element that took that band from good to FUCKING AWESOME for a time.

I have them all and ... no I don't.

Turn in your membership and go skip rope somewhere.

The intention of that music isn't to turn anyone's crank so it's a little unfair to impose that upon it. It's intention is to speak to and move the spirit. That was Gregg's influence.

It's "deep" music. If you're listening with a shallow ear then yeah - I can see why it doesn't turn your crank!

Totally agree with Aaron. Fyre, "deep" is in the ear of the beholder.....telling somebody they have a shallow ear because they don't enjoy instrumental is BS. For me, vocals are a huge part of my musical enjoyment. I enjoy "Next" but the version with Rollie/Perry's vocals. Don't get me wrong, the more bass/drums a song has the more I seem to like it. JSS/Queen Dragon Attack.....love it!

[Red13JoePa]

No, from all accounts I've read including Neal saying something like "I guess he had something better to do" Rolie flat out declined even though he knew.

[ArnelRox]

No, from all accounts I've read including Neal saying something like "I guess he had something better to do" Rolie flat out declined even though he knew.

I'm trying to remember where I heard this but all I remember is it was from a reliable source. What happened was that the invites were not clear as invites. They looked more like announcements & made it look like ONLY the current lineup was actually invited. Gregg was pretty busy at the time & not thinking it was as important as it ended up being, he went ahead w/his other plans. When he realized afterwards, he felt bad about it.

Don't believe everything Neal says, Joe. U know better than that, surely?

[Red13JoePa]

No I said including neal, plenty of others weighed in with info that as long as perry was there rolie would not be. I don't think rolie and perry go out for a Budweiser too often at all.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fuck off dude! Sorry but the first three do not turn my crank. Perry's vocals were the magical element that took that band from good to FUCKING AWESOME for a time.

I have them all and ... no I don't.

Turn in your membership and go skip rope somewhere.

The intention of that music isn't to turn anyone's crank so it's a little unfair to impose that upon it. It's intention is to speak to and move the spirit. That was Gregg's influence.

It's "deep" music. If you're listening with a shallow ear then yeah - I can see why it doesn't turn your crank!

Totally agree with Aaron. Fyre, "deep" is in the ear of the beholder.....telling somebody they have a shallow ear because they don't enjoy instrumental is BS. For me, vocals are a huge part of my musical enjoyment. I enjoy "Next" but the version with Rollie/Perry's vocals. Don't get me wrong, the more bass/drums a song has the more I seem to like it. JSS/Queen Dragon Attack.....love it!

I agree, too! It's in the ear of the listener. No doubt.

What I'm saying is that those albums were highly influenced by Gregg Rolie who was/is a deep, spiritual person. Certainly, there are a couple cuts that have "shallow" or "sophomoric" lyrics however LITF for example is a deep and soulful song. It wasn't intended to "turn a crank" or be some teenage, arena rock anthem.

I like the arena rock stuff, too. I'm just saying: if you're listening to the first 3 albums with the desire to be "cranked" a la E5C4P3 or Frontiers then you're simply using the wrong ears.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

No I said including neal, plenty of others weighed in with info that as long as perry was there rolie would not be. I don't think rolie and perry go out for a Budweiser too often at all.

Gregg invited SP to live with him in the early days. Gregg took him under his wing, too and taught him a lot about the business. I've always wondered what happened - nobody seems to have any credible answers.

[NoMoreTails]

The first three Journey albums are amazing. Pre-Perry is my favorite era of the band and I listen to the debut album once a day, usually.

The song "Look into the Future" in its own gives Journey so much progressive rock credibility it's ridiculous.

Prog,
I'm not very well schooled in the genre but as a big fan of that era of Journey, I'm curious how you would rate them, particularly Neal, among other progressive bands of that era. How do you feel they possibly would have measured up against the great prog bands, Yes, King Crimson, etc., if they hadn't gone in a more commercial direction?

[ArnelRox]

No I said including neal, plenty of others weighed in with info that as long as perry was there rolie would not be. I don't think rolie and perry go out for a Budweiser too often at all.

Yeah but I think some of that is just Neal's spin on what a bad guy Perry is. He loves to reinforce that notion & u have to admit it.

[Abitaman]

Actually gave the first two a listen this weekend. Been about a year or so since I last played them. Of the Pre-Perry stuff the first cd is the best, IMO-ERIC

[HERO]

I have all the albums, and have had the first three for many years. They hardly ever get played these days. Too much new music to listen to. No point living in the past.