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Postby donnaplease » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:30 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?


Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months. :roll:




Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault. I'd love to know if any of the guys argued that it was a bad move. Smitty maybe.


I actually believe there is something to this. Despite what you think about SP the man or SP the musician, perhaps you can say he DID know what was best for Journey in the long run. IDK. Hindsight is always 20/20, and it could be argued that he made some bad decisions when he was at the helm (I love ROR, BTW). However, Journey will never be what it once was, with or without Steve Perry.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:31 am

You have got to be fucking kidding me?

You Loons are unbelievable. Yeah, SP can foretell the fucking future.

I am on Neal's side in this one, and always will be.


HOTS wrote:Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault.


That's like blaming the people in this country after the first election of George W Bush. They didn't know he would be the world's biggest asshole/retard. Now, having said that, one CAN blame the idiots that re-elected him..that is on them.
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Postby Kate » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:47 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:Lots of business's will give an important member a leave of absence if needed for r/r. Especially if that person is a vital member. :wink:


Not true, we're talking about a business where 5 people are responsible for a whole lot more than 5 salaries. This isn't IBM where someone in upper management is given hiatus for medical (or in this particular analogy) mental health reasons. The business entity, in IBMs case, can more forward without the person, no matter how vital, as there would surely be redundancy in place in a public firm.

The fact of the matter was they were faced with a decission...move forward or shut down.

You can't see that distinction, because you have your head so far up Perrys ass, that you don't need to put sunscreen on your legs!




They should have shut down and waited. Looking back, it would have been the smart thing to do. We would have ended up with the Classics, just as it's all that is really relevant now or they might have gotten it back together now and then for more of the magic. All of their lives might have had less stress.[/quot


I don't know why they should have waited any longer than they already had. We're not talking a couple of weeks or months, and they probably reached the point where they felt like they were being strung along. Yeah, they could have just done solo projects or changed the name from Journey, but I don't know why they should have had to do that either. As much as most fans think of Steve's voice when they think of Journey, there was a Journey before Perry. There were other musicians, other songwriters, and a couple of founding members of the band. It wasn't just his band. I'm sure Neal felt just as connected, if not more so, than Steve did to Journey. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Perry's voice and none of this excuses the shit of the past couple of years, but Perry made his decision and I don't think that's anybody else's fault or responsibility.
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Postby fredinator » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:54 am

I wonder if Neal has ever attended an Austin City Limits music fest? It attracts tons of bands and singers... I don't know if they are still looking, but just a thought. Is Arnel still a taboo topic? I hope not because for once, I have gotten kind of tired of Steve Perry. Rehash, rehash, oofah!!

Wish we could discuss singers, etc., without all the bullshit posts that come out of the woodwork... I remember last year there were lots of interesting discussions on this board about Journey and the music... Now I bet this post is going to generate one of those, "yeah Journey was alive last year with Jeff but is now dead, they shaft their fans, RIP Journey, Neal is short, Cain is a fag, etc." Kills any kind of interesting discussion.
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Postby Perrydise » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:52 am

3 sides to every story - Sp side, Neal's side and THE TRUTH

I guess I am what you'd call a loon but I am smart enough to know he isnt fault free in the whole situation.

(point to be made here - if they were all women-it would have been setteled by now and a grand reunion tour would be in the works LMAO)
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Postby Rhiannon » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:37 am

Perrydise wrote:(point to be made here - if they were all women-it would have been setteled by now and a grand reunion tour would be in the works LMAO)
:lol:


Cause if the Spice Girls can do it, anyone can, huh? :lol:
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Postby lights1961 » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:21 am

Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?


Its been Neals fault since 1987.....:-)
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:36 am

Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?


It's his band right? That's what I've been told for about 8 yrs now on these boards. I've had it preached to me that Perry wasn't all that important to Journey because it's Neal's band. So is it only his band when things are good?

Who made the decision to go on without Perry? (first and worst mistake)
Who made the decision to use tapes? (stupid and second mistake)
Who made the decision to dump Jeff? (fuckin' fatal disaster)

Who made the decisions? Is it Neal's band or isn't it?
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Postby strangegrey » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:42 am

Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:Yeah but our employers don't make the kind of cash from us, that these guys made having him at the front. IF they had waited 2,3 maybe even 4 years and he did tour - they might have still been in a very healthy position....................


Dean already answered this...but I'll add my $0.02...Do you honestly think that Perry was ever going to tour? You're kidding yourself....the man had zero intention of living out an obligation to support TBF. The injury was bullshit.....designed entirely to give Perry an escape clause so he wouldn't have to tour. Herbie spelled it out for you very clearly...your inability to read such clear logic places you squarely in the Loon category. He wasn't coming back ever.

Neal waited 10 years for Perry to come around....only to see Perry barely get through the recording of TBF before he dredged up bullshut excuses for why he wasn't going to follow through with his obligations....

The idea that he would have come back in a few years more years, had Fucka and Fro waited, is just nuts.
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Postby PROPERRY » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:43 am

I still remember an interview Neal did a long time ago telling the fans, "This is MY band and I'll do what I want with it".
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:23 pm

PROPERRY wrote:I still remember an interview Neal did a long time ago telling the fans, "This is MY band and I'll do what I want with it".


Shit, he said that here a few months ago.... :?
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Postby Rhiannon » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:27 pm

donnaplease wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:I still remember an interview Neal did a long time ago telling the fans, "This is MY band and I'll do what I want with it".


Shit, he said that here a few months ago.... :?


"This is MY alimony, and I'll do what I want with it." -- Every Ex Mrs. Schon.
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Postby yak » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:23 pm

yak wrote:
Perrydise wrote:
yak wrote:
Perrydise wrote:
Money doesn't motivate everybody.


Especially when you already have enough to hold everybody hostage with.


Due to good financial decisions and not screwing every dumb ass bitch that walks by you.



Uh, Yeah, OK... :roll:

The fact of the matter is still that he already has said money, and of course it doesn't motivate him. Nothing motivates him.

I personally think he surrounded himself with people who did that for him. Not to mention that he is not the Holier-Than-Thou that you all make him out to be. If he had been the one who had lived through 5 marriages, you all would have made excuses for him anyway, and blamed it all on his ex-wives. Such a double standard we have here. It's the one constant on this forum.
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Postby AR » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:24 pm

I am now a loon. Neal sucks and so does Friga.

Espee disappoints his fans by doing nothing. A shame though.

Props to Espee, SA, and JSS. Sorry you all had to work with such assholes.
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Re: Neal Schon....

Postby brywool » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:05 am

Saint John wrote: Perry, give us a fuckin' answer. This is ridiculous. Never before, in the history of music, have such loyal fans been treated like shit. You guys are both assholes. No "gag" order can stop me from saying that. :evil:


hasn't he given his answer like 50 bazillion times already?? He doesn't want to do it. He's always said he doesn't want to do it. What more can the guy say?
NO. He's NOT Steve F'ing Perry. But he's Arnel F'ing Pineda and I'm okay with that.
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Re: Neal Schon....

Postby Rhiannon » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:11 am

brywool wrote:hasn't he given his answer like 50 bazillion times already?? He doesn't want to do it. He's always said he doesn't want to do it. What more can the guy say?


He says he doesn't want to do the Journey thing, no affirmative or not on solo things, just whispers. Wind gets around he's collaborating, or in the studio (Guff, Nuno)... nothing comes of it. Confusion ensues, hence the question posed.
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