Has Schon handed over the REIGNS to Cain?

[strangegrey]

The guy has changed his mind twice in thirty years. God..I'd love to know how many times we have all flapped over a decision in our careers in that time....

In between posts at George Michael's message board, you need to start taking some 2nd and maybe 3rd grade math classes.

[StoneCold]

My guess is that Journey is completely run by Jon Cain and Irving Azoff. Neal is probably asked his opnion, it is rejected, then Azoff and Cain run out of the room and burst into laughter. Like they'd EVER consider any of his advice with the track record he has.

While the above may or may not be correct, IMO they still have to consult SP before major decisions are made.

His financial interests are tied up in the Journey name so either he or his lawyer(s) are consulted at some point.

Nope, not any more.

Thanks for the update.

I wonder if he could've stopped them from using the name.

At least he'll be respected for jumping off the sinking ship.

[Clasicrockldy]

His behavior and Friga"s is why we are not seeing Journey perform this year. That is our business,and theirs

Journey decided to take the year off even when JSS was in the band....

And your forgot to say that during that time off from the road there was talk of writing a new cd with Jeff. When you state something Matthew, put everything in it, not just parts to suit your arguement.

[SF-Dano]

l like that one. Other than quiting Santana and starting Journey.Neal hasnt planned or plotted anything.Their success is attriubuted to Herbie,like what Steve P said at the WOF ceremony, and Steve P and Frigas song writing.Before Herbie they would pile their shit in an old camper.Neal is a great guitar player but is mentally 16 years old. All his side projects flopped. They dont have a Lead singer now because of what you said"terms of his actions" .They are not professional anymore.We will need an interpreter at the next circus

Wow...this is EXACTLY like those posts I used to read diminishing Perry's contributions to the band. I never thought I'd read this revisionist nonsense about Schon...at least not on this site.

There are a whole bunch of people here who either need to get a grip or fuck off pronto to the JSS forum, I reckon. Schon has been responsible for some of the greatest music ever made and has slogged his guts out for Journey since the mid-70s. To attack him this relentlessly and viciously for firing a guy who was in the band for 11 months and who recorded and wrote absolutely nothing for the band...well, it's a total joke. And above all its boring beyond belief now.

Schon made a mistake. Fine. But there's no need to write off the guy's entire personality and career....

These are strange days indeed. I completely agree with your words here Matt.

[Red13JoePa]

I concur as well, Dano with the caveat that I wish like hell we still had JSS on board.
The key quote is "boring beyond belief now."

I mean it is post in, post out, day in day out, week in, week out now. We get it. As bad and relentless as the Augeri vitriol got during 'gate it was never this relentless.

[jrnyman28]

No one wants Neal to talk because uh, like, uh, yeah, like, ya know, uh........

I think it is likely Neal says what he wants to happen and Jon sees that it does...

Glad to see you are still around, dude. How you been?

Things are busy, but might be better. Glad I took my break from this place when I did...I think I would feel even worse about Journey if I had been here through it. Getting a couple opportunities to post right now because I am on disability from the 2nd job at the moment.

Thanks for noticing!!

[jrnyman28]

Neal is the boss. trouble is, the direction changes too many times.

Yep, I love Neal but the sticktoitiveness could use some amping up.

The guy has changed his mind twice in thirty years. God..I'd love to know how many times we have all flapped over a decision in our careers in that time....


I wonder if this will enter the pantheon of Journey myths...along with the one about Cain turning Journey into a pop band...and ROR being a Perry solo album...and Augeri being humble...and JSS making Journey hip and relevant amongst the yioung kids of America...and all the other balderdash that gets regularly trotted out.

Neal has a habit of speaking before thinking. He said EP's were the way of the future....they only did one. He said he wanted to rock more...not on Arrival, mostly on Red 13 (2 outta 4 songs), Generations tried to balance...but then they get rid of their BEST chance to rock more in order to focus on their legacy. Said Augeri was amazing and would take them in a new direction.....then didn't. Very excited about JSS...then canned him. They were gonna play more new music...then dropped most of their new stuff. They were gonna tour as JRNY so they could play outside the dirty dozen...didn't.

There are thousands of examples of how Neal speaks first then never follows it up....that makes it look like he changed his mind or their direction.

[jrnyman28]

My guess is that Journey is completely run by Jon Cain and Irving Azoff. Neal is probably asked his opnion, it is rejected, then Azoff and Cain run out of the room and burst into laughter. Like they'd EVER consider any of his advice with the track record he has.

While the above may or may not be correct, IMO they still have to consult SP before major decisions are made.

His financial interests are tied up in the Journey name so either he or his lawyer(s) are consulted at some point.

Nope, not any more.

Thanks for the update.

I wonder if he could've stopped them from using the name.

At least he'll be respected for jumping off the sinking ship.

He likely could have made it VERY difficult for the band to continue as Journey but it is doubtful he would have been able to stop an entity from using the name they owned 5 years before he joined...even as an equal "share" holder.

[Matthew]

Neal is the boss. trouble is, the direction changes too many times.

Yep, I love Neal but the sticktoitiveness could use some amping up.

The guy has changed his mind twice in thirty years. God..I'd love to know how many times we have all flapped over a decision in our careers in that time....


I wonder if this will enter the pantheon of Journey myths...along with the one about Cain turning Journey into a pop band...and ROR being a Perry solo album...and Augeri being humble...and JSS making Journey hip and relevant amongst the yioung kids of America...and all the other balderdash that gets regularly trotted out.

Neal has a habit of speaking before thinking. He said EP's were the way of the future....they only did one. He said he wanted to rock more...not on Arrival, mostly on Red 13 (2 outta 4 songs), Generations tried to balance...but then they get rid of their BEST chance to rock more in order to focus on their legacy. Said Augeri was amazing and would take them in a new direction.....then didn't. Very excited about JSS...then canned him. They were gonna play more new music...then dropped most of their new stuff. They were gonna tour as JRNY so they could play outside the dirty dozen...didn't.

There are thousands of examples of how Neal speaks first then never follows it up....that makes it look like he changed his mind or their direction.

Sure, Jnyman - but we were talking about actual decisions about lead singers which were implemented and then reversed or abandoned later on. So when I said he "changed his mind twice" I was referring to Fleischmann and JSS.

No matter how many half-baked ideas Schon comes out with in interviews the fact remains that he stuck by Perry for twenty years and Augeri for eight years. These aren't the actions of some flakey, blow-with-the-wind type - which he was being accused of being earlier in the thread.

[stevew2]

Neal is the boss. trouble is, the direction changes too many times.

Yep, I love Neal but the sticktoitiveness could use some amping up.

The guy has changed his mind twice in thirty years. God..I'd love to know how many times we have all flapped over a decision in our careers in that time....


I wonder if this will enter the pantheon of Journey myths...along with the one about Cain turning Journey into a pop band...and ROR being a Perry solo album...and Augeri being humble...and JSS making Journey hip and relevant amongst the yioung kids of America...and all the other balderdash that gets regularly trotted out.

Neal has a habit of speaking before thinking. He said EP's were the way of the future....they only did one. He said he wanted to rock more...not on Arrival, mostly on Red 13 (2 outta 4 songs), Generations tried to balance...but then they get rid of their BEST chance to rock more in order to focus on their legacy. Said Augeri was amazing and would take them in a new direction.....then didn't. Very excited about JSS...then canned him. They were gonna play more new music...then dropped most of their new stuff. They were gonna tour as JRNY so they could play outside the dirty dozen...didn't.

There are thousands of examples of how Neal speaks first then never follows it up....that makes it look like he changed his mind or their direction.

Sure, Jnyman - but we were talking about actual decisions about lead singers which were implemented and then reversed or abandoned later on. So when I said he "changed his mind twice" I was referring to Fleischmann and JSS.

No matter how many half-baked ideas Schon comes out with in interviews the fact remains that he stuck by Perry for twenty years and Augeri for eight years. These aren't the actions of some flakey, blow-with-the-wind type - which he was being accused of being earlier in the thread.

He didnt stick by Perry for tweny years. He worked with him until 1986, did his own shit,worked with him again during Trial By Fire,that fizzeled. He didnt stick by Augeri either he knew he he was blowing out his voice,instead taking a break after the 2004 tour, they kept touring,when there was no voice left bring out the tapes,then they got caught ,they let him take the fall.He didnt stick by him,He stuck it to him,didnt even call SA when he was humilated in NC{last concert} Neal doesnt stick by anyone but Neal. Mat,you should lay off that crack pipe

[Matthew]

He didnt stick by Perry for tweny years. He worked with him until 1986, did his own shit,worked with him again during Trial By Fire,that fizzeled. He didnt stick by Augeri either he knew he he was blowing out his voice,instead taking a break after the 2004 tour, they kept touring,when there was no voice left bring out the tapes,then they got caught ,they let him take the fall.He didnt stick by him,He stuck it to him,didnt even call SA when he was humilated in NC{last concert} Neal doesnt stick by anyone but Neal. Mat,you should lay off that crack pipe

Where's the indecision or flip-flopping in any of this?

[stevew2]

He didnt stick by Perry for tweny years. He worked with him until 1986, did his own shit,worked with him again during Trial By Fire,that fizzeled. He didnt stick by Augeri either he knew he he was blowing out his voice,instead taking a break after the 2004 tour, they kept touring,when there was no voice left bring out the tapes,then they got caught ,they let him take the fall.He didnt stick by him,He stuck it to him,didnt even call SA when he was humilated in NC{last concert} Neal doesnt stick by anyone but Neal. Mat,you should lay off that crack pipe

Where's the indecision or flip-flopping in any of this?

I am disputing what you said the Neal stuck by Perry and Augeri

[Matthew]

He didnt stick by Perry for tweny years. He worked with him until 1986, did his own shit,worked with him again during Trial By Fire,that fizzeled. He didnt stick by Augeri either he knew he he was blowing out his voice,instead taking a break after the 2004 tour, they kept touring,when there was no voice left bring out the tapes,then they got caught ,they let him take the fall.He didnt stick by him,He stuck it to him,didnt even call SA when he was humilated in NC{last concert} Neal doesnt stick by anyone but Neal. Mat,you should lay off that crack pipe

Where's the indecision or flip-flopping in any of this?

I am disputing what you said the Neal stuck by Perry and Augeri

Okay - maybe "stuck by" has connotations of loyalty-in-troubled-times - which I agree might be stretching it a bit. But no matter how self-serving his motives were the fact remains that has had longer working relationships with Perry and Augeri than many of us are capable of having with our colleagues or employees.

[stevew2]

He didnt stick by Perry for tweny years. He worked with him until 1986, did his own shit,worked with him again during Trial By Fire,that fizzeled. He didnt stick by Augeri either he knew he he was blowing out his voice,instead taking a break after the 2004 tour, they kept touring,when there was no voice left bring out the tapes,then they got caught ,they let him take the fall.He didnt stick by him,He stuck it to him,didnt even call SA when he was humilated in NC{last concert} Neal doesnt stick by anyone but Neal. Mat,you should lay off that crack pipe

Where's the indecision or flip-flopping in any of this?

I am disputing what you said the Neal stuck by Perry and Augeri

Okay - maybe "stuck by" has connotations of loyalty-in-troubled-times - which I agree might be stretching it a bit. But no matter how self-serving his motives were the fact remains that has had longer working relationships with Perry and Augeri than many of us are capable of having with our colleagues or employees.

I gotta work. I dont know why you love Neal so much. he is great musician,other than he is little dick,later

[Matthew]

other than he is little dick,later

And why do you care? Is he dating your daughter or something?

[stevew2]

I wouldnt let his 4th cousins sister inlaws husbands grandson date my daughter. She would no part of that gene pool, There would be a bunch of fuckin nappy headed midjets running around my house, no way

[Matthew]

I wouldnt let his 4th cousins sister inlaws husbands grandson date my daughter. She would no part of that gene pool, There would be a bunch of fucking midjets running around my house, no way

Well...until he starts showing up at your house I'd lighten up on the guy.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm still pissed that I'm a huge Neal fan and unlike all these posters who seem to, I DON'T KNOW HIM!!!!

[SF-Dano]

I'm still pissed that I'm a huge Neal fan and unlike all these posters who seem to, I DON'T KNOW HIM!!!!

Red, they don't all know him either. They just hate the fact that they don't get what they want from him.

Disclaimer: The above does not apply to all here, but it does apply to many here.