BA v Journey

[Marc S]

The main difference is BA has constantly evolved, Journey haven't really.

I'm not sure I agree with this Marc. Journey changed their sound radically in the 70s and 80s in a way Bryan Adams never did in the equivalent time. Yes, Journey have got stuck in a formula now but I'd say that their back catalogue is much richer and morte varied than BA who has never departed from a very narrow sound. There was that Eurodisco song he did in the 90s but everything else isn't that different from Run To You, etc.

I reckon Richard Marx is better than BA, anyway....


As for treatment of the fans...well, I really couldn't give a shit about that to be honest. Journey have given the fans one classic album after another...and that's enough for me anyway.

I did say from Escape onwards (pre-Escape, anything went really?) - the formula has been the same and the general production has been the same. BA has experimented with much more modern sounding production (guitars/drums etc) on the more recent stuff to give it a much more contemporary feel.

Yeah Old Skid Marx has chucked out some good tunes, but no where near a prolific as Adams, and well, that haircut....

[Matthew]

The main difference is BA has constantly evolved, Journey haven't really.

I'm not sure I agree with this Marc. Journey changed their sound radically in the 70s and 80s in a way Bryan Adams never did in the equivalent time. Yes, Journey have got stuck in a formula now but I'd say that their back catalogue is much richer and morte varied than BA who has never departed from a very narrow sound. There was that Eurodisco song he did in the 90s but everything else isn't that different from Run To You, etc.

I reckon Richard Marx is better than BA, anyway....


As for treatment of the fans...well, I really couldn't give a shit about that to be honest. Journey have given the fans one classic album after another...and that's enough for me anyway.

I did say from Escape onwards (pre-Escape, anything went really?) - the formula has been the same and the general production has been the same. BA has experimented with much more modern sounding production (guitars/drums etc) on the more recent stuff to give it a much more contemporary feel.

Yeah Old Skid Marx has chucked out some good tunes, but no where near a prolific as Adams, and well, that haircut....

Okay..I missed that bit. Except they did change the formula - or at least the production - on ROR more than Adams has ever dared do...

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.

But...as you say...that haircut....

[ThunderBOB2007]

saw Bryan adams early this year and he puts on a hell of a live show and his NEW material is as good as the classics, not like jrny who in my opinion new material is garbage.
my vote is for B.A.

[Rockindeano]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
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You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

[Saint John]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Dean, I agree 100%. Matthew is clearly smoking (ass) crack.

[*Laura]

Bryan Adams vs Journey

Journey.Wait...Bryan,because...NO! Journey,cuz they...Still...Bryan is... Ok,I can't do it. Love both TOO much.

Sure,that's a purely sentimental decision.If I look at this vs thing from another perspective,Bryan might win for the steadiness of his career and the fantastic way he evolved from Journey's opening act (ironic,huh?) to the complete artist he is today.He deserves every ounce of respect that Journey lost over the years.

[Rockindeano]

Last year in a Boston hotel room, Neal and I were BS'ng and we were discussing acts to tour with...mind you, at the time, JSS had the band firing on all 8 cylinders and they had some serious momentum. I said to Neal, go do a co-headliner with Adams. His response: He won't touch us without Perry. Hmmm.

PS- Laura, I know deep down who you prefer, but won't publicly say so.

[Marc S]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
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You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Dean, I agree 100%. Matthew is clearly smoking (ass) crack.

C'mon man, 'Hazard' against, for starters 'Reckless' in its entirety. Marx is a bit of a bouffant cheese-merchant isn't he, a bit too top 10 popster? I think he's a better songwriter for other artists than for himself....Maybe thats why you love ROR....? Could have been some Marx co-written songs on there in another world....? Only kiddin'

[Rockindeano]

C'mon man, 'Hazard' against, for starters 'Reckless' in its entirety. Marx is a bit of a bouffant cheese-merchant isn't he, a bit too top 10 popster? I think he's a better songwriter for other artists than for himself....Maybe thats why you love ROR....? Could have been some Marx co-written songs on there in another world....? Only kiddin'

Hazard, is one song, and Reckless is an all time top 10 album.

I rest my case.

[Matthew]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Come on...name me a better song...and don't even bother bringing up that Robin Hood nonsense.

[*Laura]

A better song that Hazard?LOL,I'm lazy so let's just stick with the letter "H". HEAVEN.


Come on Matthew! Be serious.

[Rockindeano]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Come on...name me a better song...and don't even bother bringing up that Robin Hood nonsense.

Cuts Like a Knife
Summer of 69
Straight from the Heart
Somebody
Heaven
One Night Love Affair

just to name a few

PS- "that Robin Hood nonsense" is the greatest selling single ever just to let you know.

[Liam]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Come on...name me a better song...and don't even bother bringing up that Robin Hood nonsense.

I'll do it...Back To You, Do I have To Say the Words, Thought I Died and Gone To Heaven, Run To You, Here I Am, Heaven, There Will Never Be Another Tonight, She's Only Happy When She's Dancin', Cuts Like A Knife, This Time, Heat Of The Night, Home Again. ALL better than Hazard.
That enough for ya?

[Matthew]

PS- "that Robin Hood nonsense" is the greatest selling single ever just to let you know.

Well, as the saying goes...no-one has ever lost money under-estimating the taste of the public....

[Matthew]

A better song that Hazard?LOL,I'm lazy so let's just stick with the letter "H". HEAVEN.


Come on Matthew! Be serious.

Heaven? Power ballad by numbers....

Whereas Hazard broke the mould...especially lyrically.

[Matthew]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Come on...name me a better song...and don't even bother bringing up that Robin Hood nonsense.

I'll do it...Back To You, Do I have To Say the Words, Thought I Died and Gone To Heaven, Run To You, Here I Am, Heaven, There Will Never Be Another Tonight, She's Only Happy When She's Dancin', Cuts Like A Knife, This Time, Heat Of The Night, Home Again. ALL better than Hazard.
That enough for ya?

Okay - Run To You is good....but even Marx's other hits such as Should've Known Better, Right Here Waiting and Take This Heart have more longevity and class than those old chestnuts from the bargain basement.

[conversationpc]

A better song that Hazard?LOL,I'm lazy so let's just stick with the letter "H". HEAVEN.


Come on Matthew! Be serious.

"Hazard" is one of my all-time favorite songs, much moreso than anything Bryan Adams has done. I like his stuff, too, but I'll take "Hazard", thanks.

[Saint John]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Come on...name me a better song...and don't even bother bringing up that Robin Hood nonsense.

Cuts Like a Knife
Summer of 69
Straight from the Heart
Somebody
Heaven
One Night Love Affair

just to name a few

PS- "that Robin Hood nonsense" is the greatest selling single ever just to let you know.

No, it's not. It's actually tied for 10th. Candle In The Wind by Elton John has sold 37 million units worldwide compared to 8 million for Everything I Do. Here's a link to the list.


http://www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com/ent/globalsong.html

[Rockindeano]

My bad. I should have said longest charting.

Apologies.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Andrew needs to chime in here.

I am trying to get back in the saddle so here goes.....

Bryan Adams vs Journey

AJM, in your opinion, who is the "better band" regarding songwriting, dedication to fans, touring, and overall talent. Who are the good guys within both bands?

Thanks.


Just trying to start up some conversation, hope it's ok.

BA is very cool - and i really liked Keith Scott on guitar - but although they wrote a helluvva lot of good songs - and were great live (4 gigs for me) i still prefer JRNY - partly cos of Schon's playing and partly (mainly????????) for Perry's voice - and the numerous classic songs of course.......

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

It's true that Marx has only a handful of classics to his name...but what classics they are. BA never wrote a song as good as Hazard.
.

You have got to be doing high grade druggage over there. Tell me you are either high or joking.

Come on...name me a better song...and don't even bother bringing up that Robin Hood nonsense.

Richard Marx wrote better stuff than Hazard - Howbout Angelia? Or Shouldve Known Better....but not quite as good as Summer of 69 or Can't Stop This Thing or Cuts Like a Knife or One Nite Love Affair or This Hearts on Fire..................

[Rockindeano]

BA is very cool - and i really liked Keith Scott on guitar -

I am of opinion that Keith is every bit as good as Neal. In fact, Neal and I discussed him in Beantown..Neal raved about Scott.

I had PM ed Andrew before this thread and he promised he would chime in. I hope I am not putting him on the spot regarding my questions...

[Deb]

No, it's not. It's actually tied for 10th. Candle In The Wind by Elton John has sold 37 million units worldwide compared to 8 million for Everything I Do. Here's a link to the list.


http://www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com/ent/globalsong.html

Wow, who would have thunk it? A Monkee's song in the top 10 of all time? Go Davey Jones!

[GollyWally]

I was fortunate enough to see Bryan Adams and Journey on the SAME night! He opened for Journey in '83 on the Frontiers tour.

[*Laura]

A better song that Hazard?LOL,I'm lazy so let's just stick with the letter "H". HEAVEN.


Come on Matthew! Be serious.

Heaven? Power ballad by numbers....

Whereas Hazard broke the mould...especially lyrically.

Broke the mold? IMO,Bryan did that 4 years before Marx with "Native Son".Powerful song,powerful meaningful lyrics.

As for "Heaven",sure it's a power ballad,so? It's one of the best ever written,you know?It has the "timeless" ingredient as well.
I noticed that people want Heaven,not Hazard when they have the chance to request a favorite song on the radio.Must be a reason for that,huh?
Bryan is huge in Europe,but that's another story.

[Saint John]

I was fortunate enough to see Bryan Adams and Journey on the SAME night! He opened for Journey in '83 on the Frontiers tour.

That had to be FUCKING awesome!!!

[Rick]

I was fortunate enough to see Bryan Adams and Journey on the SAME night! He opened for Journey in '83 on the Frontiers tour.

That had to be FUCKING awesome!!!

It was. Great double bill.

[lights1961]

I was fortunate enough to see Bryan Adams and Journey on the SAME night! He opened for Journey in '83 on the Frontiers tour.

That had to be FUCKING awesome!!!

saw the same tour... who knew that the frontiers tour would be my last with Perry as Journey's frontmen at that time. I did not get to see the ROR tour.

Rick

[dcvader]

I saw the STORM open for BA back in the '90's. I was one of the few that went to that show only looking forward to seeing the STORM. BA was good. Just about anything is better current JRNY shit that is going on.

[strangegrey]

I am of opinion that Keith is every bit as good as Neal. In fact, Neal and I discussed him in Beantown..Neal raved about Scott.

They are night and day, different players. It's sorta like comparing EVH and Clapton...Neal will make you stop and go "whoah, how the fuck did he do that?"

Keith will play one note and stretch more emotion and feel out of that one note...

The difference isn't as stark as EVH/Clapton however. Keith can rip it out big time...and Neal can play with some bad ass emotion...

I just think, even saying the above, it's hard to compare the two. They're both amazing guitarists...