Show Support for Steve Augeri

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:36 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Except Journey didn't leave him carrying anything. They denied it happened and tried to protect Augeri's reputation by saying he had a throat infection. They have never once blamed him and even issued a joint press release when he left.

Not a popular thing to point out, but RIGHT on the noise.

I think they were covering all of their asses with that.

by **NoMoreTails** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:50 am

All the sympathy, understanding, and reconsideration floating around here for SA recently is about 16 months too late.

by **marco17** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:56 am

Matthew wrote:
marco17 wrote: it is a whole lot easier for the rest of the band to claim they didn't know anything and live to see another day, while SA [who certainly should take his share of the blame] is left holding bag.

Except Journey didn't leave him carrying anything. They denied it happened and tried to protect Augeri's reputation by saying he had a throat infection. They have never once blamed him and even issued a joint press release when he left.

You are right on that, I guess I did not explain myself well. I meant, at the end of the day, the band lives on and Augeri's the odd man out.

Either way, all those bashing Augeri during tapegate probably never liked the guy from day one since it wasn't Perry, so it just gives them ammunition to use when they attack him. But, what the hell do I know?

That's certainly true of me...but the people who busted Augeri last year were his staunchest supporters in previous years.

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:01 am

NoMoreTails wrote:All the sympathy, understanding, and reconsideration floating around here for SA recently is about 16 months too late.

Yeah, alot of "band experts" and self righeous blowhards appeared out of nowhere during tapegate. Glad most of them are gone now.

by **ArnelRox** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:03 am

NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, alot of "band experts" and self righeous blowhards appeared out of nowhere during tapegate. Glad most of them are gone now.

They're gone? Really? [looks around at all the threads & sees plenty left]

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:04 am

ArnelRox wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, alot of "band experts" and self righeous blowhards appeared out of nowhere during tapegate. Glad most of them are gone now.

They're gone? Really? [looks around at all the threads & sees plenty left]

Different people, or different screen names. Were you here during Tapegate, Susie?

by **ArnelRox** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:07 am

NealIsGod wrote:Different people, or different screen names. Were you here during Tapegate, Susie?

I lurked & read. I was afraid of u guys, esp. u. :-)

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:09 am

ArnelRox wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Different people, or different screen names. Were you here during Tapegate, Susie?

I lurked & read. I was afraid of u guys, esp. u.

I knew you were a smart one. :lol:

by **Behshad** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:22 am

OK Best Man,,,, I mean FlowerGurl

by **ArnelRox** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:26 am

NealIsGod wrote:
ArnelRox wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Different people, or different screen names. Were you here during Tapegate, Susie?

I lurked & read. I was afraid of u guys, esp. u.

I knew you were a smart one.

I'll never forget the roasting u gave me for my "initiation rites of passage" here. Damn u were mean! I almost ran away for good. :-)

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:42 am

ArnelRox wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
ArnelRox wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Different people, or different screen names. Were you here during Tapegate, Susie?

I lurked & read. I was afraid of u guys, esp. u.

I knew you were a smart one.

I'll never forget the roasting u gave me for my "initiation rites of passage" here. Damn u were mean! I almost ran away for good.

You must have the wrong Niggy.

by **SF-Dano** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:14 am

livin2do wrote:You know, six years ago I did my interview with Herbie Herbert. My motive, whether it came through or not, was to sway people to realize that the Augeri-voiced Journey was valid. The members of Journey could not be faulted for wanting to continue on, even if that meant getting rid of their most popular and recognizeable member. Plus, they had replaced Steve Perry and Steve Smith with two guys who were committed to giving their all to help rekindle the legacy that the band had built so long ago.

During 1998 - 2005, I saw Journey 10 times - with each show being better than the last. The 30-year anniversary tour was a lifelong fan's dream, during which I got to hear music from every incarnation of the band. I wasn't looking forward to the Def Leppard/Journey tour, because I knew I wouldn't get to hear nearly the selection that had been played the tour before. Then, when word started to surface about pre-recorded vocals being piped in to mask Augeri's performance, and his subsequent dismissal from the band, I couldn't get behind the idea of seeing Journey on that tour.

Here's my point: I felt like the band was loyal to Steve Perry. From 1987 to 1995, they waited for him to hop back on the bus and get the Journey going again. When he finally did, they saw him refusing to commit to touring again due to his medical issues, and probably had a flashback at that point to how long they had to wait before. It seemed like it was out of desperation that they finally gave up on him.

But they never showed that kind of loyalty to Steve Augeri. They knew he was having problems with his voice. They made adjustments to their set, having Deen sing some of the songs, changing from the predictable format by having other band members sing. How much of that would've been necessary if they had just taken some time off? They were so eager to "make hay while the sun shines," that rather than allowing Augeri to address his medical issues, they just kept signing up for that next tour - knowing they could make Augeri sound however they wanted him to sound whether he was healthy or not. Had the band at least acknowledged his condition and taken some time off for once, they would've avoided all the embarassment of having that scandal go public - and the ensuing fan animosity.

Steve Augeri got shafted, worse than Steve Perry. He took the fall for the band over the whole tapegate thing. His personal integrity was ridiculed. It is impossible for me to believe that Neal "didn't know" what was going on. And, since it seems like we will be lucky to ever hear from Steve Augeri again, I feel the most effective way of showing support for him is to not spend our money on future Journey tours, unless they feature the original lineup.

Just a few thoughts. One, who knows for sure if Augeri can sing today? How much time did he have to heal between the 30th anniversary tour and the DL tour? 4-5 months (guessing) should be enough if it was just vocal fatigue. Not to mention that if he was lipping the entire anniversary tour, that should count as "vocal rest" time also. As others have stated, nobody threw Augeri under the bus. The only ones ridiculing SA's personal integrity were fans, and mainly fans on this board. All the members of the band denied tapegate. Once it was out though, they could not continue on with a lead singer that could not sing. And there is alot that can be done these days to cover/help a singer live, but if he had to resort to complete lip synching, his vocal problems must have been very bad.

Personally, as far as the anniversary tour goes, I was of the old school opinion that the "show must go on". But when, it carried on beyond that tour, it became more troubling to me. I really think that when they knew Augeri couldn't go, they should have found a replacement before the tour with DL ever started.

Two, Journey is a band that makes its cash these days by touring. All this talk of postponing/canceling tours is valid only if they knew Augeri was going to be able to recover and in what time frame. And then, be able to handle/finish subsequent tours. He was having problems at the end of the 2004 shows. Had time off before the 30th anniversary tour, which then started the tape-gate era, had time off after that tour, and went into the DL tour still needing to use the tapes. I hate to say it, but, I think SA's vocalist days are behind him.

Lastly, with all the above said, I do thank Steve Augeri for all his contributions to this band. He was a good singer for this band for almost 8 years. I still enjoy most of the music he made with Journey now and always will.

by **Andrew** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:12 am

Well...this is a great thread if support! The tired old debate...around in circles we go....

by **chf34jmac** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:17 am

Come on now Andrew. You know damn right well you can't have a support anything thread around here without the haters coming in to shit on it.

by **Matthew** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:58 am

chf34jmac wrote:Come on now Andrew. You know damn right well you can't have a support anything thread around here without the haters coming in to shit on it.

Slight whiff of hypocrisy about that statement, don't you think Chief? Everytime I come to this forum and the TBJF there you are crapping all over the band and their decisions...and indeed the entirely blameless new recruit too....

by **Matthew** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:04 am

SF-Dano wrote:Just a few thoughts. One, who knows for sure if Augeri can sing today? How much time did he have to heal between the 30th anniversary tour and the DL tour? 4-5 months (guessing) should be enough if it was just vocal fatigue. Not to mention that if he was lipping the entire anniversary tour, that should count as "vocal rest" time also. As others have stated, nobody threw Augeri under the bus. The only ones ridiculing SA's personal integrity were fans, and mainly fans on this board. All the members of the band denied tapegate. Once it was out though, they could not continue on with a lead singer that could not sing. And there is alot that can be done these days to cover/help a singer live, but if he had to resort to complete lip synching, his vocal problems must have been very bad.

Personally, as far as the anniversary tour goes, I was of the old school opinion that the "show must go on". But when, it carried on beyond that tour, it became more troubling to me. I really think that when they knew Augeri couldn't go, they should have found a replacement before the tour with DL ever started.

Two, Journey is a band that makes its cash these days by touring. All this talk of postponing/canceling tours is valid only if they knew Augeri was going to be able to recover and in what time frame. And then, be able to handle/finish subsequent tours. He was having problems at the end of the 2004 shows. Had time off before the 30th anniversary tour, which then started the tape-gate era, had time off after that tour, and went into the DL tour still needing to use the tapes. I hate to say it, but, I think SA's vocalist days are behind him.
.

Good post, SF...totally agree...

by **Matthew** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:07 am

Andrew wrote:Well...this is a great thread if support! The tired old debate...around in circles we go....

Come on Andrew...if we didn't repeat ourselves endlessly about the same old tired subjects this forum would grind to a standstill.

by **Matthew** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:11 am

NealIsGod wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:All the sympathy, understanding, and reconsideration floating around here for SA recently is about 16 months too late.

Yeah, alot of "band experts" and self righeous blowhards appeared out of nowhere during tapegate. Glad most of them are gone now.

Some of us are hanging in there though....

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:15 am

I am guilty in this as well.

I defended the band (Neal and Friga), because I was getting close to them. I knew the truth and none of you have heard me spill it 100% yet. There are voice mails, there are emails. Steve Augeri is certainly guilty in this as well, as he went along with the deceit.

Maybe tomorrow, I will open up and spill the beans. Many of you told me during the apex of TG, when it all went down, to back off, Azoff will sue you and you will be in jail etc etc. I knew I was holding the cards of truth and his lawyers were powerless. I had the court of public opinion on my side and no lawyer, no matter how brilliant and powerful, was going to win this.

PS- Matthew, you haven't the slightest clue of what really happened.

by **Matthew** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:19 am

Rockindeano wrote:
PS- Matthew, you haven't the slightest clue of what really happened.

So you keep telling me...which is weird because most of what I do know about Tapegate and Augeri's departure comes from you, Deano...and it's not as though you've been shy and retiring on this issue.

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:21 am

Matthew wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
PS- Matthew, you haven't the slightest clue of what really happened.

So you keep telling me...which is weird because most of what I do know about Tapegate and Augeri's departure comes from you, Deano...and it's not as though you've been shy and retiring on this issue.

Hey that's fine..I won't say a word any more if it's tiring. I thought people would really like to know some dirt.

by **Behshad** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:22 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
PS- Matthew, you haven't the slightest clue of what really happened.

So you keep telling me...which is weird because most of what I do know about Tapegate and Augeri's departure comes from you, Deano...and it's not as though you've been shy and retiring on this issue.

Hey that's fine..I won't say a word any more if it's tiring. I thought people would really like to know some dirt.

What he meant was that all his knowledge about this comes from what youve told him SO FAR,,,,, so if he doesnt have a clue,,maybe its cause you havent educated him/us enough,,,,,

by **chf34jmac** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:31 am

Hey Matthew,

First of all it's good to see you. I've been busy and haven't been around near as much so I haven't seen you posting.
Now on to the hypocrisy you mentioned. You are correct without argument about me blasting the decisions of this band. Where I take issue if with the overall assumption that I ever blasted SA, JSS or SP. That never happened. Not once NADA zero zip zilch. I have much respect for those three individuals. The rest of the band consists entirely of assholes (2) and spineless little wusses who don't speak up for fear of ending up on the unemployment line (2). That is where my issue is especially when one member in particular refers to SA as "my brother" and yet in the very same breath has to ask Neal if anybody's heard from him since he left the tour. That's a fucking disgrace and wreaks far more of hypocrisy than anything I have said. The phone works two ways so don't hand me the SA could have called them shit either.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Matthew. (although I don't think you celebrate it over in Europe, do you?)

by **mistiejourney** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:41 am

Rockindeano wrote:I am guilty in this as well.

I defended the band (Neal and Friga), because I was getting close to them. I knew the truth and none of you have heard me spill it 100% yet. There are voice mails, there are emails. Steve Augeri is certainly guilty in this as well, as he went along with the deceit.

Maybe tomorrow, I will open up and spill the beans. Many of you told me during the apex of TG, when it all went down, to back off, Azoff will sue you and you will be in jail etc etc. I knew I was holding the cards of truth and his lawyers were powerless. I had the court of public opinion on my side and no lawyer, no matter how brilliant and powerful, was going to win this.

PS- Matthew, you haven't the slightest clue of what really happened.

Well, I, for one, am all eyes/ears! It would be so nice to know what really went down. No, it's not an earth-shattering deal but I'd appreciate knowing.

by **journeyrock** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 am

Rick wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Rick wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Rick wrote:Matt, don't listen to Matt.

I can't believe I got sucked into this thread....must stop arguing with Augerios....must try harder.....

The OP is Matt Carty, he did the Castles Burning interview with HH. He's credible.

Oh...that posionous bilefest that has virtually been the reference source for every two-bit Perry basher ever since?

He was a little bitter.

Ya Think?

by **journeyrock** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:08 am

mistiejourney wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:I am guilty in this as well.

I defended the band (Neal and Friga), because I was getting close to them. I knew the truth and none of you have heard me spill it 100% yet. There are voice mails, there are emails. Steve Augeri is certainly guilty in this as well, as he went along with the deceit.

Maybe tomorrow, I will open up and spill the beans. Many of you told me during the apex of TG, when it all went down, to back off, Azoff will sue you and you will be in jail etc etc. I knew I was holding the cards of truth and his lawyers were powerless. I had the court of public opinion on my side and no lawyer, no matter how brilliant and powerful, was going to win this.

PS- Matthew, you haven't the slightest clue of what really happened.

Well, I, for one, am all eyes/ears! It would be so nice to know what really went down. No, it's not an earth-shattering deal but I'd appreciate knowing.

I'm right with you Kim. I would appreciate the truth also, as we don't get much of it from Frig and Fro.

by tj » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:03 am

Andrew wrote:Well...this is a great thread if support! The tired old debate...around in circles we go....

Until the band actually says or does something in public, all that seems to be left is to rehash (or not post at all). Also, by rehashing, it allows people to continue to call each other names, stab each other in the back, question each other's integrity, ...

Where would anyone be without that?

by **Matthew** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:44 am

chf34jmac wrote:Hey Matthew,

First of all it's good to see you. I've been busy and haven't been around near as much so I haven't seen you posting.
Now on to the hypocrisy you mentioned. You are correct without argument about me blasting the decisions of this band. Where I take issue if with the overall assumption that I ever blasted SA, JSS or SP. That never happened. Not once NADA zero zip zilch. I have much respect for those three individuals. The rest of the band consists entirely of assholes (2) and spineless little wusses who don't speak up for fear of ending up on the unemployment line (2). That is where my issue is especially when one member in particular refers to SA as "my brother" and yet in the very same breath has to ask Neal if anybody's heard from him since he left the tour. That's a fucking disgrace and wreaks far more of hypocrisy than anything I have said. The phone works two ways so don't hand me the SA could have called them shit either.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Matthew. (although I don't think you celebrate it over in Europe, do you?)

Hey Chief..are you seriously expecting Castronovo to alienate Schon and Cain and lose his job? I bet there aren't that many lucrative jobs going for a drummer of his age and style. I'm not sure I fancy the unemployment line either so that's why I don't point out the moral failings of my boss to him. Maybe you would though....

Anyway...surely it's the quality of the music that counts...not a bunch of faggoty tittle-tattle about who didn't call who and so on.

But I take your point that you've never bashed the lead singers. Fair enough. I've never seen you do it.

No thanksgiving over here. In fact, in England it's a dark night tonight because our national team fucked up a a big way and we're out of the European Championships next year. I'll stop there though because I realise this couldn't be any more boring for an American to listen to. I just had to briefly share my pain....

by **ArnelRox** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:58 am

Matthew wrote: I'm not sure I fancy the unemployment line either so that's why I don't point out the moral failings of my boss to him. Maybe you would though....