Official word from the Caveman

[bluejeangirl76]

I mean... re-recording the hits. Note the re-recording issue wasn't addressed specifically.

Part of the 10 mile long contract the band signed with Perry was that Journey cannot re-record ANY of the Perry-era material and offer it for sale. The only exception was the Arrival DVD (Vegas) in which Perry waived the contract for that one performance.

In short, you will not be seeing any re-recorded material being released unless of course Perry signs off on it.....yea right

Someone mentioned that this agreement was a nine year one. ?????????????

I didn't think about that covering LIVE recordings! Wow, would that be tough for the band... I would think it wouldn't hold up in court. But yes, it's now been mentioned by Andrew that word is it was only a 9-year contract:

And that part still has me shaking my head and going "whaaaaaa?" For one thing, I'm surprised to know that he would ever enter into an agreement that allowed for the possibility of something like this happening no matter what the time frame was, but hey - I wasn't there and I don't know the method behind this sheer madness. Maybe he just never figured they would actually DO something like rerecord all the songs.

But 9 is a strange number to me. You would nomally see an agreement with a certain time-limit based on a more round figure - 5, 10, 15... if I had to guess (and I'd probably be wrong), I might venture that they're counting from early 1997, Journey's last work with Perry, came up with a '10 years from the time we were last "active" ' thing, and having been drafted, legally, in 1998, would put it at a 9 year term?

It's a stab in the dark, but it's all I got. Maybe 9 is just the Frig's lucky number, or something?

[Saint John]

Several comments/observations:

I don't think Shirley is over hyping Arnel. He IS a monster vocalist and will prove that. My concerns are solely with diction.

I think a well put together package of 2 CD's and a DVD would sell VERY well. Especially at a killer price. They do that and they'll hit a home run.

I hope this makes Perry answer the bell. It took 9 long years for them to be able to say FUCK YOU TOO for the aborted TBF tour and the ensuing legal bullshit and childish "gag orders." I hope this causes Perry a reciprocal amount of anguish. Fair is fair.

There is no such thing as "bastardizing" the Greatest Hits. Try as they might it's impossible. Those songs are a combination of genius songwriting, marvelous music and untouchable memories of a time that has passed. They're etched in a specific "space and time" and no amount of perceived fuck ups can tarnish them. Only YOU can let them take that away from you. I simply choose not to allow them to do that to me. Quit the fucking whining about that.

I'm giving this lineup, like I have all others, a chance. These are truly great musicians that now have an awesome vocalist. If they prepare him properly and play their cards right they have a bright future. Ultimately, I think Arnel will prove himself to be the real deal.

[stevew2]

You are drunk

[Saint John]

You are drunk

Incorrect. Profound response though.

[Little Lenny]

Thanks, Andrew. But, isn't it strange how this news comes out through KS & a fan's email? Yea, well, that's JRNY for ya...

The band has been holding out and planned a press release, but some issues are being forced with these leaks.

They fuck everything up don't they? Can they ever follow through on any album, release, scheme, etc. anymore without something going wrong? Who's managing them...P.T. Barnum?

[*Laura]

There is no such thing as "bastardizing" the Greatest Hits. Try as they might it's impossible. Those songs are a combination of genius songwriting, marvelous music and untouchable memories of a time that has passed. They're etched in a specific "space and time" and no amount of perceived fuck ups can tarnish them. Only YOU can let them take that away from you. I simply choose not to allow them to that to me. Quit the fucking whining about that.

I'm giving this lineup, like I have all others, a chance. These are truly great musicians that now have an awesome vocalist. If they prepare him properly and play their cards right they have a bright future. Ultimately, I think Arnel will prove himself to be the real deal.

You know,after reading a bit through the recent threads related to the latest news,I almost gave up posting my opinion...
Looks like the people who dare to be interested in this new Journey project & line-up are disparaged...
Just because we want to listen to some music.We are crazy for wanting to enjoy it.

So thank you for saving me from all the typing,SJ.You've put my thoughts into words.

[Saint John]

There is no such thing as "bastardizing" the Greatest Hits. Try as they might it's impossible. Those songs are a combination of genius songwriting, marvelous music and untouchable memories of a time that has passed. They're etched in a specific "space and time" and no amount of perceived fuck ups can tarnish them. Only YOU can let them take that away from you. I simply choose not to allow them to that to me. Quit the fucking whining about that.

I'm giving this lineup, like I have all others, a chance. These are truly great musicians that now have an awesome vocalist. If they prepare him properly and play their cards right they have a bright future. Ultimately, I think Arnel will prove himself to be the real deal.

You know,after reading a bit through the recent threads related to the latest news,I almost gave up posting my opinion...
Looks like the people who dare to be interested in this new Journey project & line-up are disparaged...
Just because we want to listen to some music.We are crazy for wanting to enjoy it.

So thank you for saving me from all the typing,SJ.You've put my thoughts into words.

Thank you. As for being afraid to post your opinion, I think Lula's signature explains that scenario quite well.

[Andrew]

People that want to talk positively about the new line up and new music (when that arrives) will NOT be attacked for their opinions.

Nor will those that chose not to support the band or want to complain about something - do so! As long as everyone no matter what their persuasion - put their opinions forward respectfully.

There are so many factions and divisions within the Journey fan base, but I am going to do my best to ensure all are welcome on here and shit-stirrers remain at bay.

Public service announcement over

[Little Lenny]

AT the end of the day it is music, and there are so many other things in life people could get hot under the collar about, but I don't think music in itself is one.
Everybody has differing opinions, some will like, some won't, me I'M in the middle, Just like Laura..I dont have an opinion on Music as such, it's just a sound I love to hear.

You know,after reading a bit through the recent threads related to the latest news,I almost gave up posting my opinion... Neutral

[ScarabGator]

People that want to talk positively about the new line up and new music (when that arrives) will NOT be attacked for their opinions.

Nor will those that chose not to support the band or want to complain about something - do so! As long as everyone no matter what their persuasion - put their opinions forward respectfully.

There are so many factions and divisions within the Journey fan base, but I am going to do my best to ensure all are welcome on here and shit-stirrers remain at bay.

Public service announcement over

WELL PUT BY THE SCARAB WOMBAT!!!!

[*Laura]

Thank you. As for being afraid to post your opinion, I think Lula's signature explains that scenario quite well.

Not afraid at all,Dan. (ask SATW ) Bored with all the useless anger,yes.That made me give up typing.Well,almost.


It's just that I love music so much and I am so curious to hear the new Journey.
I want to avoid letting all the band's backstage shenanigans get in the way and simply listen to what they have to offer as musicians.

[Stoneyman]

Why re-record the classics if they are gonna get sued by Perry? Seems silly.

Maybe they can use the Arnel sung classics for radio ads and such, but not sell it. That would at least let casual fans know that it is not Perry. That is if they can hear a difference. Most of us would pick it out, but I still think most wont be able to tell.

Foreigner did their classic songs with their new guy. I even remember the links Andrew posted to hear the clips.

I never try to predict what will happen with Journey. Sit back and wait. It should be a fun ride in 2008.

[The Sushi Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n3Z9KaGeUU

[The Sushi Hunter]

I found that last night.

[NealIsGod]

People that want to talk positively about the new line up and new music (when that arrives) will NOT be attacked for their opinions.

Nor will those that chose not to support the band or want to complain about something - do so! As long as everyone no matter what their persuasion - put their opinions forward respectfully.

There are so many factions and divisions within the Journey fan base, but I am going to do my best to ensure all are welcome on here and shit-stirrers remain at bay.

Public service announcement over

Drew, what's taking so long for the band to announce Arnel as the new singer?

[Jodes]

Yeah, but I have yet to hear studio versions of Foreigner's "classic" material with Kelly Hansen, just live versions. Same goes with Styx (okay they did do an edited Come Sail Away with Larry singing for the Superbowl, but it was never released).

After the way SA and JSS were treated, I've lost all interest in this band. I think they could have really had something with Jeff and they completely f*cked that up.

I for one won't be purchasing anymore Journey material..

[Red13JoePa]

Several comments/observations:

I don't think Shirley is over hyping Arnel. He IS a monster vocalist and will prove that. My concerns are solely with diction.

I think a well put together package of 2 CD's and a DVD would sell VERY well. Especially at a killer price. They do that and they'll hit a home run.

I hope this makes Perry answer the bell. It took 9 long years for them to be able to say FUCK YOU TOO for the aborted TBF tour and the ensuing legal bullshit and childish "gag orders." I hope this causes Perry a reciprocal amount of anguish. Fair is fair.

There is no such thing as "bastardizing" the Greatest Hits. Try as they might it's impossible. Those songs are a combination of genius songwriting, marvelous music and untouchable memories of a time that has passed. They're etched in a specific "space and time" and no amount of perceived fuck ups can tarnish them. Only YOU can let them take that away from you. I simply choose not to allow them to do that to me. Quit the fucking whining about that.

I'm giving this lineup, like I have all others, a chance. These are truly great musicians that now have an awesome vocalist. If they prepare him properly and play their cards right they have a bright future. Ultimately, I think Arnel will prove himself to be the real deal.

I hate copying whole posts like this but I need to here b/c I concur with every opinion put forth in it EXCEPT, my Arnel jury is still out.
But by all means, I am buying the releases.

[Stoneyman]

Yeah, but I have yet to hear studio versions of Foreigner's "classic" material with Kelly Hansen, just live versions. Same goes with Styx (okay they did do an edited Come Sail Away with Larry singing for the Superbowl, but it was never released).

After the way SA and JSS were treated, I've lost all interest in this band. I think they could have really had something with Jeff and they completely f*cked that up.

I for one won't be purchasing anymore Journey material..

Try listening to these. (Kelly singing classics) Sounds like the original studio tracks minus Graham, insert Hansen.
http://www.wma.com/announcement29/


Would Journey have the balls to do something like these? I fear they might!!!!!!

[jrnyman28]

Everyone talking about a 9 year deal....Perry was official done with Journey in May 1998. All these plans are shaping up fo spring 2008. That's 10 years folks!

[chf34jmac]

If the songs are already in the can, then they are within the 9 year mark dumbass.

[jrnyman28]

If the songs are already in the can, then they are within the 9 year mark dumbass.

You gotta base it on the release date....dumbass

[chf34jmac]

Not if SP wouldn't even allow to re-record them until now.

[jrnyman28]

Not if SP wouldn't even allow to re-record them until now.

I am certain that his control over re-recording had to do with release for retail sales. He cannot stop anyone from re-recording "his" music for any other reason. And he has approved re-recording in order to promote concerts accurately...

[Rip Rokken]

It's a stab in the dark, but it's all I got. Maybe 9 is just the Frig's lucky number, or something?

Maybe that's how many lives the band has.

[brywool]

Several comments/observations:

I don't think Shirley is over hyping Arnel. He IS a monster vocalist and will prove that. My concerns are solely with diction.

Bingo.
Opera singers sing in other languages all the time because they LEARN to do it. He will be taught the proper diction. Scorpions do it as do many others. Once he learns, it will be fine.
He's a great vocalist from what I've heard on youtube. I think the guy will sing great, I just hope he's got a good legal team.

[brywool]

Drew, what's taking so long for the band to announce Arnel as the new singer?

Probably the reaction by some here....

[jrnyman28]

Several comments/observations:

I don't think Shirley is over hyping Arnel. He IS a monster vocalist and will prove that. My concerns are solely with diction.

Bingo.
Opera singers sing in other languages all the time because they LEARN to do it. He will be taught the proper diction. Scorpions do it as do many others. Once he learns, it will be fine.
He's a great vocalist from what I've heard on youtube. I think the guy will sing great, I just hope he's got a good legal team.

Except they have already recorded with him....has it been enough time?

[brywool]

I would think yes. If they've recorded with him already, those diction issues are probably already handled.
I have ZERO doubts that he'll be able to pull off the recording. I do wonder about his vocal stamina for touring.
I wonder that with anyone though. He's younger (isn't he?) so that'll definitely help him.

[jrnyman28]

I agree that the band must feel confident that Arnel CAN annunciate well enough.

As for touring, according to Susie the guys long shows night after night. The biggest factor will likely be a maturity level and professionalism on the road. He could be like a kid in a candy store...

[brywool]

I agree that the band must feel confident that Arnel CAN annunciate well enough.

As for touring, according to Susie the guys long shows night after night. The biggest factor will likely be a maturity level and professionalism on the road. He could be like a kid in a candy store...

You mean he could be Neal???