Impressed with Arnel

[Natalie]

Cool ,nice picts, good looking couple I must say,thanks Rick ,i m just getting into the photo bucket thing, I ll have to post some picts of my weird ass ,lol .My daughter knows how to do that, peace my brethern, Steve

Hey Steve, let's start with your face....save the ass for the Booze Thread!

[stevew2]

Ill get there, I have no ass lol

[ttango1]

I ain't speaking for Arnelian but with regards to this:

Don't pay any attention to that bogus Filipino population trash. I'm from the bay area and I know how many Filipinos are around here. I know where the higher concentration of them are from city to city and the crap above is completely wrong. Obviously the guy looked up cities around here and just typed in a figure. Because according to that graph, one smaller city has a higher concentration of Filipinos then the larger one yet I've been to both places and I know what the real score is

I know what the real score is. I do demographics all day.I can put Demographic stats down to the blockgroup if needed.

Let's see if we run the most up-to-date report using Claritas Demographic Data(Basically the US leader in demographics based on the official US Census (www.claritas.com) with my account, I log in and this is the current year estimate for the Entire United States for Filipinos. I'll give you the 5 year projection too just for comparison basis.

For the following line item:
CY Asian Pop, One Category: Filipino 2289913 CY=Current Year Almost 2.3 Million

For the following line item:
FY Asian Pop, One Category: Filipino 2679011 FY=Five Year Projection Almost 2.7 Million

So I don't know where that other guy got his estimates but these are the ones that come from Claritas.

Anyways with regards to his crappy San Mateo numbers:
Here are the US Zips for Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco Designated Market Top 10.
First Number is CY;Second Number is FY

Code: Select all

94015   Daly City       20639   21982
94014   Daly City       17308   19424
92126   San Diego       17268   19778
90745   Carson       16790   18160
94587   Union City       15237   17599
92114   San Diego       14904   15553
94591   Vallejo       14011   15475
94112   San Francisco       13685   15272
92139   San Diego       12573   13581
94080   South San Francisco       12121   14053
91950   National City       11718   13532




I live in San Diego. I'm not in the Philippines. I don't know Suzie. I haven't met with Noel or any of that stuff. I think Arnel will simply rock, I'm proud that he had enough talent to not only garner support from Journey but enough to get past the brutal honesty that Caveman provided. It's not the Journey I knew from MTV day1 but it's good enough for ME.

[stevew2]

What is your point?

[ttango1]

What is your point?

Nothing but the facts Just wanted to provide the more correct of numbers with regards to projections.

The music is all that matters

[Vladan]

Stop cramming it down our throats, I would guarantee all the Filipino fans here were not Journey fans before before Arnel was announced, it's about the only good thing you coconut chuckers have going, apart from the excellent Martial Arts systems.

[stevew2]

What is your point?

Nothing but the facts Just wanted to provide the more correct of numbers with regards to projections.

The music is all that matters

that s cool

[stevew2]

that was gone quick,good thing lol

[Vladan]

that was gone quick,good thing lol

Hahaha true, it's abit of tongue and cheek, nothin serious

[stevew2]

I understand,I never take anything to serious, it was funny

[Moon Beam]

when did everything go freaky around here? i guess about may of last year....

hey rick ,, what is in your avatar?

My only online gaming fix is Half-Life, and that is a pic of the main character, Gordon Freeman.

I never, ever thought I would play computer games, and got drug into it kicking and screaming. It wasn't long before I was hooked though. A few friends from work and my brother will all get online and just massacre each other. It's a lot of fun.

That Fella's eyes are freaking me out Rick.

[Rick]

when did everything go freaky around here? i guess about may of last year....

hey rick ,, what is in your avatar?

My only online gaming fix is Half-Life, and that is a pic of the main character, Gordon Freeman.

I never, ever thought I would play computer games, and got drug into it kicking and screaming. It wasn't long before I was hooked though. A few friends from work and my brother will all get online and just massacre each other. It's a lot of fun.

That Fella's eyes are freaking me out Rick.

Is this one better?

[Andrew]

Bottom line here is Noel, Susie and Arnelian are involved together with this whole thing. And from what my associate on the east coast found, it's expected that Noel is all the three under complete different user names. Anyways, take that information as you will. This Arnelian is up to dealing hype, I think it's just Noel from the Philippines practicing his marketing techniques. I just find the entire thing with the Arnelians and Susie completely comical at best.

Just to be VERY clear, I think this should be the last word in this thread.

Arnelian has been removed from this board as I do not believe for a second they are who they state they are. I believe them to be the past forum user Susie or an associate of Susie. And i think most here know how much damage that user has previously done.

They have not been removed due to being a pro-Arnel supporter, or involved with anyone in the Arnel camp or whatever...
I don't think Arnel's manager Noel should be brought into this. I have had ZERO contact with him or anyone else in that camp, and have no reason at this stage to believe that Arnels manager would want to post on here under a hidden name and for that matter I don't think anyone else on this board is masquerading themselves or being less than honest. If they are - they WILL be found out and REMOVED permanently.

It has been a hard task to clean up this board and the way it operates, but I feel that things are going very very well right now and it remains an open forum where all sides can have their say and not be abused for doing so.

If anyone has any problems with any other user or has recieved strange messages from someone they do not know, do advise me ASAP.
Otherwise....I think we're good.

[Saint John]

Bottom line here is Noel, Susie and Arnelian are involved together with this whole thing. And from what my associate on the east coast found, it's expected that Noel is all the three under complete different user names. Anyways, take that information as you will. This Arnelian is up to dealing hype, I think it's just Noel from the Philippines practicing his marketing techniques. I just find the entire thing with the Arnelians and Susie completely comical at best.

Just to be VERY clear, I think this should be the last word in this thread.

Arnelian has been removed from this board as I do not believe for a second they are who they state they are. I believe them to be the past forum user Susie or an associate of Susie. And i think most here know how much damage that user has previously done.

They have not been removed due to being a pro-Arnel supporter, or involved with anyone in the Arnel camp or whatever...
I don't think Arnel's manager Noel should be brought into this. I have had ZERO contact with him or anyone else in that camp, and have no reason at this stage to believe that Arnels manager would want to post on here under a hidden name and for that matter I don't think anyone else on this board is masquerading themselves or being less than honest. If they are - they WILL be found out and REMOVED permanently.

It has been a hard task to clean up this board and the way it operates, but I feel that things are going very very well right now and it remains an open forum where all sides can have their say and not be abused for doing so.

If anyone has any problems with any other user or has recieved strange messages from someone they do not know, do advise me ASAP.
Otherwise....I think we're good.

Drew, I think you should encourage Arnel's manager to post here. That way, we have reliable information and not speculative tabloid-like bullshit. I think the group we have left here is mature enough to respect who he is and treat him with decency. See if you can make this happen.

[Andrew]

Drew, I think you should encourage Arnel's manager to post here. That way, we have reliable information and not speculative tabloid-like bullshit. I think the group we have left here is mature enough to respect who he is and treat him with decency. See if you can make this happen.

EVERYONE is welcome here and everyone gets a fair hearing. Absolutely. But I won't be chasing anyone...don't have time. Anyone that wants to join can....and if you need to get your username/account activated ASAP, then e-mail me at the time of registering (mail - ajm@melodicrock.com)

All except Susie of course....

[Moon Beam]

Much better Rick, he's a Canuck....bonus.

Thanks Sir but go back to whatever you please in your Av space.
I just wanted to pipe up that that fella was completely freaky!

[wildone]

What is your point?

Nothing but the facts Just wanted to provide the more correct of numbers with regards to projections.

The music is all that matters

LMAO oh yah it's the music that matters...please....it's the $$$$ that does...and if so why the need for the stats...remeber it's all about the music

[The Sushi Hunter]

Out of all that I've gleaned from my living experiences over in the Philippines, I can say that if Journey thinks that they are going to make bank from fans in the Philippines they are seriously wrong. Because even though there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies of the newest Journey album featuring Arnel as the lead singer floating around in the Philippines, pretty much 98% of those units will be bootleg, which means the overall lagit sales of the album will be no better then 2%. I know cause I used to purchase albums while living there and they are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies, etc, etc, etc. The only real place in that general location where there is any decent money to be made is Japan. I'd say Singapore but that place is so small it won't really matter how many are sold there.

The majority of the bootleg cds sold in the Philippines originate from Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand and Indonesia. There are bootlegs in Japan but those are usually of stuff that was not officially released like concert video or studio work. Other then that, the Japanese will spend the money to get their hands on a quality sound unit which a bootleg won't provide.

So point is, Journey won't be really making any bank from unit sales in the Philippines, regardless of how many units are claimed to have been sold or are in existance there.

[Rick]

Much better Rick, he's a Canuck....bonus.

Thanks Sir but go back to whatever you please in your Av space.
I just wanted to pipe up that that fella was completely freaky!

How 'bout this guy?

[journeyrock]

Out of all that I've gleaned from my living experiences over in the Philippines, I can say that if Journey thinks that they are going to make bank from fans in the Philippines they are seriously wrong. Because even though there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies of the newest Journey album featuring Arnel as the lead singer floating around in the Philippines, pretty much 98% of those units will be bootleg, which means the overall lagit sales of the album will be no better then 2%. I know cause I used to purchase albums while living there and they are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies, etc, etc, etc. The only real place in that general location where there is any decent money to be made is Japan. I'd say Singapore but that place is so small it won't really matter how many are sold there.

The majority of the bootleg cds sold in the Philippines originate from Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand and Indonesia. There are bootlegs in Japan but those are usually of stuff that was not officially released like concert video or studio work. Other then that, the Japanese will spend the money to get their hands on a quality sound unit which a bootleg won't provide.

So point is, Journey won't be really making any bank from unit sales in the Philippines, regardless of how many units are claimed to have been sold or are in existance there.

That is interesting information, thank you for sharing it.

[STORY_TELLER]

Out of all that I've gleaned from my living experiences over in the Philippines, I can say that if Journey thinks that they are going to make bank from fans in the Philippines they are seriously wrong. Because even though there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies of the newest Journey album featuring Arnel as the lead singer floating around in the Philippines, pretty much 98% of those units will be bootleg, which means the overall lagit sales of the album will be no better then 2%. I know cause I used to purchase albums while living there and they are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies, etc, etc, etc. The only real place in that general location where there is any decent money to be made is Japan. I'd say Singapore but that place is so small it won't really matter how many are sold there.

The majority of the bootleg cds sold in the Philippines originate from Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand and Indonesia. There are bootlegs in Japan but those are usually of stuff that was not officially released like concert video or studio work. Other then that, the Japanese will spend the money to get their hands on a quality sound unit which a bootleg won't provide.

So point is, Journey won't be really making any bank from unit sales in the Philippines, regardless of how many units are claimed to have been sold or are in existance there.

You make a really good point here. Pirating is a real problem in many countries these days. Even more so outside the US it seems. The only saving grace for the band might be the nationalism issue. Arnel's getting a lot of press in his country right now. He's being touted as the Tiger Woods of rock and roll. It's very difficult for people of asian decent to become successful in American entertainment fields. The country could rally around Arnel and seek to support him by legitimately purchasing the new CD out of nationalist interests.

Interesting to see where this will lead for the band. If it works out the way I've outlined, at the very least, they will have made a good business decision, which is all they seem interested in nowadays. Lord knows they have no chance of moving new material here in the states anymore.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The thing is, money is very tight over there and they could purchase the bootleg cd for a fraction of the pesos it would cost them for the real cd. And then you also have to factor in how the black markets are over there. Crime is out of control over there so it's very difficult to actually get the products over there and in the stores without them being ripped off during transit.

Some of my cassettes that I would purchase over there, you could hear the dirt on the records hitting the needles, so you knew the source of the music on my cassette was a LP. They also get around the bootleg proofing by recording a cd right from the speakers of a stereo system. Sort of like popping in the cd and playing it but using a mic next to the speaker to record it onto another device. The quality will suck but you can still hear it. I used to have lots of cd and cassettes that were made that way that I had purchased while living in the Philippines. I may still have a Bon Jovi album from there.

[STORY_TELLER]

The thing is, money is very tight over there and they could purchase the bootleg cd for a fraction of the pesos it would cost them for the real cd. And then you also have to factor in how the black markets are over there. Crime is out of control over there so it's very difficult to actually get the products over there and in the stores without them being ripped off during transit.

Some of my cassettes that I would purchase over there, you could hear the dirt on the records hitting the needles, so you knew the source of the music on my cassette was a LP. They also get around the bootleg proofing by recording a cd right from the speakers of a stereo system. Sort of like popping in the cd and playing it but using a mic next to the speaker to record it onto another device. The quality will suck but you can still hear it. I used to have lots of cd and cassettes that were made that way that I had purchased while living in the Philippines. I may still have a Bon Jovi album from there.

Well then! Sounds like the band's FUCKED! lol...

[journeyrock]

The thing is, money is very tight over there and they could purchase the bootleg cd for a fraction of the pesos it would cost them for the real cd. And then you also have to factor in how the black markets are over there. Crime is out of control over there so it's very difficult to actually get the products over there and in the stores without them being ripped off during transit.

Some of my cassettes that I would purchase over there, you could hear the dirt on the records hitting the needles, so you knew the source of the music on my cassette was a LP. They also get around the bootleg proofing by recording a cd right from the speakers of a stereo system. Sort of like popping in the cd and playing it but using a mic next to the speaker to record it onto another device. The quality will suck but you can still hear it. I used to have lots of cd and cassettes that were made that way that I had purchased while living in the Philippines. I may still have a Bon Jovi album from there.

Well then! Sounds like the band's FUCKED! lol...

We already KNEW that, didn't we?

[Voyager]

The thing is, money is very tight over there and they could purchase the bootleg cd for a fraction of the pesos it would cost them for the real cd. And then you also have to factor in how the black markets are over there. Crime is out of control over there so it's very difficult to actually get the products over there and in the stores without them being ripped off during transit.

Some of my cassettes that I would purchase over there, you could hear the dirt on the records hitting the needles, so you knew the source of the music on my cassette was a LP. They also get around the bootleg proofing by recording a cd right from the speakers of a stereo system. Sort of like popping in the cd and playing it but using a mic next to the speaker to record it onto another device. The quality will suck but you can still hear it. I used to have lots of cd and cassettes that were made that way that I had purchased while living in the Philippines. I may still have a Bon Jovi album from there.

Wow. I can picture the headlines... "Shipment of 100,000 new Journey CDs enroute to Asia gets hijacked by bandits; Neal Schon files for bankruptcy."

[journeyrock]

The thing is, money is very tight over there and they could purchase the bootleg cd for a fraction of the pesos it would cost them for the real cd. And then you also have to factor in how the black markets are over there. Crime is out of control over there so it's very difficult to actually get the products over there and in the stores without them being ripped off during transit.

Some of my cassettes that I would purchase over there, you could hear the dirt on the records hitting the needles, so you knew the source of the music on my cassette was a LP. They also get around the bootleg proofing by recording a cd right from the speakers of a stereo system. Sort of like popping in the cd and playing it but using a mic next to the speaker to record it onto another device. The quality will suck but you can still hear it. I used to have lots of cd and cassettes that were made that way that I had purchased while living in the Philippines. I may still have a Bon Jovi album from there.

Wow. I can picture the headlines... "Shipment of 100,000 new Journey CDs enroute to Asia gets hijacked by bandits; Neal Schon files for bankruptcy."

Spit my soda all over my desk. That was good!

[texafana]

Out of all that I've gleaned from my living experiences over in the Philippines, I can say that if Journey thinks that they are going to make bank from fans in the Philippines they are seriously wrong. Because even though there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies of the newest Journey album featuring Arnel as the lead singer floating around in the Philippines, pretty much 98% of those units will be bootleg, which means the overall lagit sales of the album will be no better then 2%. I know cause I used to purchase albums while living there and they are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies, etc, etc, etc. The only real place in that general location where there is any decent money to be made is Japan. I'd say Singapore but that place is so small it won't really matter how many are sold there.

The majority of the bootleg cds sold in the Philippines originate from Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand and Indonesia. There are bootlegs in Japan but those are usually of stuff that was not officially released like concert video or studio work. Other then that, the Japanese will spend the money to get their hands on a quality sound unit which a bootleg won't provide.

So point is, Journey won't be really making any bank from unit sales in the Philippines, regardless of how many units are claimed to have been sold or are in existance there.

Bands don't make much anyway from cd sales. If anything, cd's today are like advertising media for the band. The band makes the majority of their money from touring the big wigs make all their money from cd's, etc. If I was Journey, I'd be happy a-zillion boots were floating around the Phillipenes, that's the cheapest way to advertise your tour. And they WILL tour over there and when they do, it will be sold out.

[Voyager]

Out of all that I've gleaned from my living experiences over in the Philippines, I can say that if Journey thinks that they are going to make bank from fans in the Philippines they are seriously wrong. Because even though there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies of the newest Journey album featuring Arnel as the lead singer floating around in the Philippines, pretty much 98% of those units will be bootleg, which means the overall lagit sales of the album will be no better then 2%. I know cause I used to purchase albums while living there and they are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies, etc, etc, etc. The only real place in that general location where there is any decent money to be made is Japan. I'd say Singapore but that place is so small it won't really matter how many are sold there.

The majority of the bootleg cds sold in the Philippines originate from Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand and Indonesia. There are bootlegs in Japan but those are usually of stuff that was not officially released like concert video or studio work. Other then that, the Japanese will spend the money to get their hands on a quality sound unit which a bootleg won't provide.

So point is, Journey won't be really making any bank from unit sales in the Philippines, regardless of how many units are claimed to have been sold or are in existance there.

Bands don't make much anyway from cd sales. If anything, cd's today are like advertising media for the band. The band makes the majority of their money from touring the big wigs make all their money from cd's, etc. If I was Journey, I'd be happy a-zillion boots were floating around the Phillipenes, that's the cheapest way to advertise your tour. And they WILL tour over there and when they do, it will be sold out.

Yeah, but the big question is this: Based on what Sushi Hunter said about the poor economy over there, how much will Asians be able to pay to see Arnel with Journey? Will they be able to fork out $100 USD like we do without thinking twice? I highly doubt it. They'll be lucky to get $10 USD for tickets in that kind of poor economic state. People will probably have to rob and steal to buy a ticket even at that rate.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Funny on my drive into work today, I was just thinking about the topic of ticket sales in PI (Philippine Islands). It is true that it would be a sellout, if the price is right. I'm thinking it's going to be total caos through because everyone will cram into the place to see Arnel but won't have the money to get in. I can just see some really bad shit going down. There will be many who will be able to afford to get in, but will be outnumbered by the people who won't. Now on ticket prices? Definetely 100usd a ticket won't sell. 10usd a ticket I could see more tickets sold with that price. But that will be pushing it because that would be roughly 470 pesos a ticket. What I was thinking though was that Journey wouldn't even go because they would be lucky to make enough money out of the gig to pay just for the airfare alone in and out of PI for the band, security, stage hand, etc. If they actually go to the PI for a gig, I say good luck and stay tuned for a major malfunction over there.

Very interesting article on the situation over there. After reading, you'll agree that 10usd is pushing it and 100usd is completely out of the friggin question.

http://countrystudies.us/philippines/74.htm

[ttango1]

people will buy tix. Or at least look for the hookup to get in.

I mean I'm sure those cats in the front row of this Beyonce' Concert didn't get in for 10 pesos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBkZlXETMyU

But yeah, the economy isn't as strong as those other Asian Tiger nations but the entire country isn't destitute. I mean even here in California you have Skid Row(Not the group) and homelessness exists. See it whenever I volunteer at St. Vincent's to help serve food to the ones lucky enough to get shelter.

Economies suck all over the world for some people...except for Brunei or Indian Casinos, those cats make money just by breathing.

But in terms of the PI, using more current data:
Asian countries by GDP per capita > GDP Per capita (most recent) by country
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_a ... per-capita
#28 makes them middle-of-the-road in GDP